Casey is pro-life? Seriously?

[RockHardCore]

Is this really true? Then why vote for him? Would he vote for one of the Bu$h's woman hating Supreme Court nominees?

[RB TexLa]

1. I guess you put faith in Santorum to vote against them?

:shrug:

Anti-choice Dem vs. anti-choice pubby? hardly a tough decision.

[RockHardCore]

3. Of course I think Santorum will vote for them, but...

What is the difference? Aren't we just being duped?

I would rather stay home and teach the Democrats a lesson so nothing like this happens in 2008.

[RB TexLa]

7. Welcome to DU, usually people don't advocate not voting and particularly

not voting for Democrats on here.

[RockHardCore]

13. It isn't a party thing...

It's a principle thing. Why have the party without the principle?

[trotsky]

55. Because our party will never be lock-step.

That's for the fascists on the other side. "With us or against us" and all that crap.

[blm]

45. Of course you would stay home instead of vote for a Dem - I've read many

of your posts and agree with you - you would DEFINITELY stay home rather than vote for a Democrat.

[RB TexLa]

65. Bingo!

[Frances]

2. I would vote for him

because he is good on other issues where his Republican opponent is bad on all issues. Sometimes you have to look at the whole picture not one piece of it. Plus if Dems are in control of the Senate the issue won't come up.

[RockHardCore]

10. The issue won't come up?

A) That's hardly a principled stance
B) You think Bu$h wouldn't keep nominating his 50's redux Supreme Court candidates just because there is a Democratic Senate?
c) Isn't that seriously taking a chance too, what if the Repugs hold the Senate, then we just give them pro-life vote from our side and they will hold him up as the definition of moderation because he agrees with them on one of the most divisive issues of our time.

ARGHHHH!

[NewYorkerfromMass]

4. That's not the question you should ask

is Casey "pro-choice"? or better yet, for reproductive freedom?

[LA lady]

Don't you remember his Dad?

His father was a strong pro-life Democrat who bumped heads with the party frequently.

[Nye Bevan]

5. Why vote for Casey?

Perhaps because Santorum is a contemptible homopohobic piece of shit?

[Warpy]

6. I've been seriously flamed on this board

for suggesting that running a prolifer like Casey is a stupid idea.

What should have been a cakewalk to oust Santorum will be a very hard fight.

Casey is trouble.

[Sugarcoated]

15. Actually, Casey is a well respected name here in PA

His father, also a pro life Dem was very popular here.

I believe he's against late term abortions with exceptions for health of mother. And he's for abortions in first trimester. He's not a firebreating nutcase.

[Richardo]

22. I doubt that he's "for abortions" at any point in a pregnancy

Probably 'not opposed' which is not the same thing.

Even the pro-choice people I know would not say they were 'for abortions' :eyes:

[Sugarcoated]

25. Careless wording

of course on one's for abortions.

[RockHardCore]

16. Booya! Thank you

He does look like trouble.

[Sugarcoated]

34. If you were from PA

you would know his name is very respected here. And, like it or not, alot of PA is somewhat conservative. He's actually a great choice.

[acmejack]

41. I think i was with you on more than one occasion.

I dared mention that Mr. Pennacchio made a lot more sense, but was told that he was "unelectable" and that Pennsylvania needed this person instead. As a non-Pennsylvanian, I was invited to get lost (and worse).

[SteppingRazor]

8. Vote for him because Democratic control of the Senate...

means more than a single position of a single politician. If we don't take a broad, long-term view of this election, we all lose. And being petulant and staying home and not voting becuase you disagree with one issue isn't going to help.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

9. You REALLY want Dems in PA NOT to go out and vote, don't you?

It's no use. Pretty boy Man-on-Dog is history.

This "they're all equal so why bother" canard is more transparent than interstellar vacuum.

[Name removed]

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[skipos]

18. When you DON'T vote for Casey, you make Republicans very, very happy.

Santorum says "thank you!"

[Name removed]

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[Richardo]

39. Count the seats. I wouldn't care if there were 12 Zell Millers

...as long as they have a (D) after their name and the Dems get control, I'd vote for every one of them.


Purity tests, in a political context, are for chumps.

[RockHardCore]

46. 12 Zell Millers!

He didn't even vote with the Party on major issues! What is wrong with you?

[Richardo]

49. Do you know how committee chairs are assigned?

You need to be in the majority.

End of story.

[Name removed]

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[Richardo]

51. Wrong. It's pragmatic.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

69. You are effectivelly campagning for Santorum.

Every two Democrats that decide not to vote instead of voting for Casey mean one more vote for Santorum.

Staying home will NOT make a pro-choice candidate sprout out.

[skipos]

47. That isn't true.

Either Casey or Santorum is going to be elected to the senate. Casey supports stem cell research, Casey isn't working to get Roe V Wade overturned, Casey is progressive on many issues. Pat Robertson and other wingnuts are going to be very sad when Santorum loses.

Ralph Nader successfully convinced enough people in FL that Gore wasn't different enough than Bush. You are trying to do the same in PA. While America had to learn the hard way just how wrong Nader was in 2000, I hope PA and America don't have to suffer the consequences of your desire to let Santorum win.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

54. I'm saying that voters should exercise their democratic rights.

And, vote for the candidate that best reflects their prinicples.

Do you agree with Casey's stance on abortion and the war? Why would you want to vote for someone who is against women's rights and for the war?

[skipos]

68. The person that best represents my principles is me,

so I guess you think I should write myself in. There is no candidate who I agree with 100%.

"Why would you want to vote for someone who is against women's rights and for the war?"
Because the alternative (Santorum and a Republican majority) has proven to be HORRIBLE for America. I am not interested in making things horrible for America, I am interested in making them as good as possible. Writing myself in, as you suggest, doesn't do that. It is either going to be Santorum or Casey sitting in that senate seat, and I wouldn't miss the opportunity to improve PA's senator, improve the senate, and improve America.

If I was in a congressional district that had no Democrat running, I would vote for the best Republican. I am always interested in voting for the candidate who is going to have the best effect on America. In PA, that would mean voting for Casey, and not writing myself in.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

71. Then, we agree.

It seems that Casey does represent your principles and ideals that "not as bad" is acceptable. You should, therefore, vote in accordance with those principles. My principles and ideals are that "not as bad" on issues like a woman's right to choice is more important than the ambitions of a politician with a (D) after his name.

[Sugarcoated]

21. I'm not a one issue voter

and I am, frankly, okay with some limits on abortion.

[MH1]

28. You woman-hater!!!!

How can you say that you are "okay with some limits on abortion"? Don't you know that means you hate women and want them to die in back alleys?

:sarcasm:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. Neither am I. Casey also supports Bush's war.

How many issues does it take to make you a multi-issue voter?

[MH1]

38. Link? Define "support"

Last I heard, Casey wants us out of Iraq, he just won't say we should set a date. That doesn't mean "supporting Bush's war", it just means someone thinks arguing for setting a date is a bad idea, when we (Dems) have absolutely ZERO power to enact anything...and by the time Casey takes office, the situation could be vastly different than it is today, anyway.

[Sugarcoated]

40. And I thought black and white thinking

was a Republican trait. :eyes:

[MH1]

24. So, you prefer Santorum? Really? n/t

[Richardo]

12. Many of us are able to think in more than one dimension

That's why we're Democrats.

[skipos]

14. I AM SO SICK OF THESE CIRCULAR FIRINGS SQUADS!!!

Either Santorum or Casey is going to be PA's senator in November. Take your pick.

[Tarheel_Dem]

17. Another single issue voter....

You can't be serious, and I don't think you should be encouraging "Dems" on a democratic discussion board to sit out an election. Of course, you're entitled to express your opinion, but I think your suggestion is very irresponsible. I'm not gonna suggest that you have an agenda or anything like that.



:eyes:

[RockHardCore]

23. Don't worry...

I'm not even from PA - there is nothing I can do. We don't have a Senate race in Arkansas. But I think this is an interesting issue that we need to consider. But thanks for the bullying anyway.

[Tarheel_Dem]

37. Bullying?

You come here with all of "87" posts and suggest that Dems in Pennsylvania sit out this election? You'll get a couple of nuts to agree with you, but I think the broader concensus is that if we have any chance of taking control of the senate and the national debate, we need this seat.

However long you're here, and I don't think that will be long, enjoy your stay. :hi:

[RockHardCore]

43. Who cares how many posts I have!

Thanks for trying to shout me down. That's really the way this country is going to get better.

I am simply asking a question and I think its worth considering because there is a set of values that I think Democrats should support across the board and if we don't support them then I wonder why we try to win elections.

[Tarheel_Dem]

61. Discussion is one thing....

rooting against the home team is quite another. This is DEMOCRATIC Underground, and Pennsylvania DEMOCRATS overwhelmingly decided that Casey would be the DEMOCRATIC nominee from PENNSYLVANIA. I don't get what so hard to understand.

And if your profile is to be believed, you're in ARKANSAS? I just don't think that you should be trying to thwart the efforts of DEMOCRATS on this board to elect a DEMOCRAT from the great state of PENNSYLVANIA.

[acmejack]

57. "Nuts" are we?

I might call your attention to the rules about name calling and such but it would obviously be lost on you. People are permitted to disagree with YOU without having their sanity in question or are you the know all be all of Democratic politics and I just failed to get the memo?

Why don't you try to avoid the childish behavior of name calling in the future?

[RockHardCore]

59. Sorry about the name calling...

But I don't think "nuts" is the worst thing to say. Maybe I get heated when my total integrity is questioned.

[acmejack]

63. Actually I was referring to the poster who was going after you.

See reply 37, I am in agreement with you which obviously makes me a "Nut". It isn't easy being a Liberal here much of the time. How can you debate with someone who thinks a "dozen Zell Millers" are a good thing?

I personally welcome you to DU and hope you have a long and enjoyable stay. There is actually a large and vocal liberal contingent here that knows what must be done to move this Country forward. We are aware that DLC sell out half measures perpetuating the Class war are certainly not the answer, even if most here are too blind to understand that. Many are so in love with that D that everything else is subordinate, all other sins are forgiven. Whether they will vote for us once they get to the positions of power or support the war, the corrupt bankruptcy acts, any number of other actions spelling the ruination of the working man-who cares! They're electable-they think...

[Tarheel_Dem]

64. I will apologize for the use of the word "nuts"....

but c'mon, we're all aware that there will be a lot of dirty tricks pulled in the last couple of months of this election cycle. A lot of traffic from another board to try & discourage DEMS from supporting our own. And to actually call for a sit-out?

Again, I apologize for the use of the term "nuts", but the circular firing squad around here gets really depressing at times. Have a good day.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

70. You advocate not voting for the Democratic candidate

and expect people at DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND to be nice and charming? Oh for crissakes...

[MH1]

19. Better than Santorum on a broad spectrum of issues

including domestic partner benefits, for one; environment, labor, health care for a few others.

As for "pro-life", Casey is anti-abortion, pro family planning. He is in favor of Plan B availability OTC. He is in favor of contraception and making it more accessible.

I doubt he would vote for "one of the Bu$h's woman hating Supreme Court nominees" but I confess I am not 100% certain. I think he would struggle with his honest position against abortion, vs. all the other bad things that come with a typical Bush nominee. I think the result of that struggle would be that he would vote against the nominee.

In any case, any eligible voter in PA who doesn't vote for Casey is casting a vote for Santorum. Like it or not, that is how our system works.

If you read up on Casey's positions and still think you might prefer Santorum....well, enjoy your short stay here. ;-)

[RockHardCore]

32. My short stay?

What are you talking about?

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

20. As a Pennsylvania resident, I will offer my own explanation

If your question is serious, here's some answers:

* Santorum is too conservative for Pennsylvania and his zealous rhetoric is an embarrassment to PA.

* Santorum has a 98% voting record with the unpopular prez

* Santorum stuck his big nose into the brain-dead Florida woman's fiasco (aka Schiavo)

* Santorum lives in Virginia and yet felt he could get away with a Pittsburgh suburban school district paying for his kid's cyberschool education

* I would MUCH rather have Casey as my junior Senator (actually living in PA) than have him as the chief executive of my state...I will never vote for Casey as Governor of PA.

[RockHardCore]

27. If you are from PA, then...

Why couldn't we get a real candidate in there? I just know we are going to end up paying for this.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

31. Hey, the primary is over. Casey won big. Time to move on to November.

No use crying over spilled milk. Casey is the Democratic nominee and the only viable candidate in a two-party system to take out wingnut Santorum.

I'm practical and realistic.

[MH1]

33. Casey *IS* a real candidate.

Sheesh. He's a great candidate. Ever met him? Ever attended one of his events?

Oh wait. Do you live in this state? Have you ever canvassed a neighborhood in PA that is 80% or more Catholic, who almost all go to the same church where the priest exhorts the congregation that they should not vote for a candidate who would allow ANY abortion at all?

Just wondering...

[Richardo]

35. If you're not in Pennsylvania, then who's "we"?

[RockHardCore]

36. We is hopefully Progressive minded people

[MH1]

42. Who's the candidate in your state?

Wouldn't your efforts be better spent helping the most "progressive" person possible get elected in YOUR district and state?

[RockHardCore]

52. We have one major election here, for Governor

Mike Beebe, not exactly the most inspiring candidate, is running against Asa Hutchinson (you should remember his name!). I am doing call nights for Beebe and talking to as many people as I can about it. The polls look okay, but I am not very confident. Arkansas is losing its old Democratic ties more and more everyday.

[MH1]

60. What about Congressional race, and state legislature?

Those are all worthy races - do you have Dems running? (If no Dems, then how about Greens?)

It helps just to get out and talk to voters and let them know there are Dems in the race. Even if you are sure you can't win, you can make the numbers better, and that matters for long term party development. Plus you will gain influence in your local party that will give you a better chance of having them listen to your ideas of what your party should stand for. (Far more than you can gain with voters in another state.)

I'm glad you're working for Beebe. Keep it up. And don't send money to Casey if you don't like his stance on abortion - send it to someone you like better who has a chance and needs the money. But please don't suggest that PA folks shouldn't vote for him.

[Richardo]

44. Purity tests are for chumps.

Seat count is all that matters. Give me 12 Zell Millers - I don't care. If the Dems get control of the committees, subpoena power and the agenda then all is good.

[RockHardCore]

56. You think 12 Zell Millers...

would stand up to Bu$h? You're nuts!

[Richardo]

62. Do you really think I'd prefer 12 Zells? That there even ARE 12 Zells?

Do you know what the words 'hypothetical' and 'illustration' and mean?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

72. I take back what I said earlier -- it's not interstellar vacuum.

It's interGALACTIC vacuum.

[npincus]

29. he didn't impress me on MTP, but Santorum's gotta go

[blm]

50. Casey is not an ACTIVIST prolifer. Santorum IS an ACTIVIST prolifer.

Big difference.

[proud2BlibKansan]

53. Lesser of two evils

Santorum wins the more evil contest - hands down!

May I also recommend a book? Crossing The Gate discusses Casey and explains better than I can why a pro-life Dem is better than a RW repuke.

[bleedingheart]

58. Casey is still better than Santorum.

and that is the truth.

Casey may not support abortion rights, but he supports birth control.

Casey may not support abortion...but he supports feeding the children once they are born and taking care of them.

To be blunt. Casey's pro-life stance will perhaps get some hardline Democratic pro-life (single issue voters) to vote for him...but the Republicans and the freaks who are really pro-life will still vote for Santorum because they are freaks and nazis...the kind of folks who like to see other people suffer.

A lot of liberals like myself are going to hold their nose and vote for Casey because he is hands down better than Santorum on a number of issues and once he becomes my senator I will berate him about his stance on abortion...

[rockymountaindem]

66. Why is it that people just keep figuring this out for the first time?

Why does it seem to happen about once every two weeks?

[Sugarcoated]

67. Aw, damn.

She wasn't a freep, just a passionate Dem. I don't understand why that happened. :-(

[SteppingRazor]

73. Locking

The flame-baiting disruptor who posted the OP has been shown the door.