The suggestion to use microwave weapons: Let's call it what it really is.

[MindPilot]

This was an open and public threat against the American people by a senior official of the the US military.

Let that sink in for a moment...

Again, a very high-ranking United States military official made a public threat against Americans--especially those who might use their Constitutional rights to oppose their government's actions or policies--that the military would use on American citizens what would in any other context be defined as a "WMD".

It's time to call your reps. ANY member of the Congress or Senate who is not--AT THE VERY LEAST--calling for Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne's resignation is as far as I'm concerned no longer in a position to call themselves American.

[TechBear_Seattle]

1. Mind you: the pretense is to verify that the weapon is "safe"

Think on this implication:

"We don't know if this will prove to be fatal when used in the field, so we will test it on our own citizens first. There are laws that prevent them from filing suit against the US government, and laws prohibiting them from taking their suit to the World Court. We are not shielded if we "accidentally" kill citizens of another country, and might be held criminally liable for any deaths."

[MindPilot]

5. Correct. And a pretense is all it is. The reality is a threat to use

military force used to dissuade anti-war groups or uppity minorities.

The clear implication is that the US military will deploy experimental weapons against Americans.

"step out of line; the man come and take you away..."

[Land Shark]

46. 'Fear is the Message' says wonkette, and in that respect she's right

see <http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2132808> this a thread on this same subject with a different angle

[undergroundpanther]

23. Polyheme was"safe" too

Yet the pharma can give it to people without thier consent who come into in the er in poor areas and kill them and not be charged with murder.We are all guinea pigs for psychopaths now.

[populistdriven]

29. This is preparation holding onto power after stealing the elections again

[Blackhatjack]

37. Easy! Have Wynne show up every morning 8am for a safe dose for next 6 mos

... I am betting that after just a week of daily microwave exposures his idea of "safe" will have changed. And since he wants to be thorough, why not turn up the dosage each day until he finds a level that is no longer "safe."

These Pentagon deskjockeys are tough until they have to step forward and "take one for the team", or country in this case.

[SharonAnn]

39. Safe? It's a "Death Ray"! Remember those future weapons?

Now they're here.

"People should not be afraid of their government. Government should be afraid of its people."

[originalpckelly]

2. We need to get Lou Dobbs and Keith Olbermann to over this...

and maybe people will realize how horrible it is. This is completely un-allowable and we must make it clear that this is simply NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

[Generic Other]

3. Yup, that in my opinion is treason against the people

These fuckers need to be held accountable for their crimes against the world and against the American people.

[indepat]

17. Ain't no two freakin' Repug Congressmen going to hold them accountable

ever no matter what IMNSHO!

[corkhead]

4. our tin foil hats will keep us safe

:tinfoilhat:

[glitch]

10. Might be time for tin foil umbrellas.

Hard rain a gonna fall.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

6. threat against the American people by a senior official of the US military

Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne is a civilian.

[MindPilot]

8. And picking that little nit makes it all OK?

He is still a senior official--official not officer--of the US military, in fact THE senior official of one branch of the military.

The Secretary of Air Force is the liaison between the top brass and the civilian government and--he of all people-- should not be making threats.

edit for clarity

[tabasco]

11. He is a senior official of the US military.

He is a civilian but the description is correct. He is part of the US Air Force, as are all civilian employees of the military.

Rumsfeld is a civilian too but it is correct to describe him as a senior official of the US military.

[Bake]

7. This goes beyond "Worst Person In The World"

I hope KO nails him on it.

Bake

[fed-up]

9. my thoughts exactly-what are they planning???

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2507274

Air Force chief: Test weapons on testy U.S. mobs

fed-up (948 posts) Tue Sep-12-06 04:55 PM
Response to Original message
13. they KNOW the masses are pissed off and won't take any more shit-this is

an out and out threat to ALL American citizens that want to practice free speech


this tells me they really do plan on stealing the election come November

[immoderate]

12. I sent a note to my rep.

This is very frightening.:scared:

--IMM

[SledDriver]

13. Posse Comitatus???

Why would the military be enforcing civilian laws with military weapons?

[gumby]

14. Gas is so Saddam.

The U.S. wants to "fry" their own people.

[TechBear_Seattle]

26. Our "friends" in the military need to remember

Just what we are doing to Saddam, and why. If they start using weapons of mass destruction on their own people....

[Jeanette in FL]

15. We all need to take 5 minutes and call our congress people, now

And let them know that this will not stand. We know that that the military has done experiments on our citizens in the past, but we never found out about it until it had already been done.

Now we have proof in our hands of what they would like to try on us this time.

We need to scream from the roof tops. We are the media.

Call congress, let both your Senators know your concern and request a written reply from them. Then call your representative and request the same.

Call local radio station with the information and write letters to the editors. This is a treasonous action.

This needs to be done now.

[Pachamama]

43. I completely agree with you - And this topic needs to be kept front &

I still feel sick about hearing about this announcement of the intention and plans to use this so-called "Non Lethal Weapon" on US citizens and then the battle field. WTF?

Our reps and Senators all need to be on this....and the media.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

16. Most definitely a shot across the bow...

...of the U.S. citizenry, and you're right, we shouldn't just let these remarks go. Mr. Wynne should be called out by prominent Dems and others.

[truedelphi]

18. I remember when Mike Malloy discussed how these creepy

"non-lethal" weapons might be used against protesters,
and either he or someone calling in pointed out that
among the many the downside to these things is that
the microwave frequency might be severe enough to blow
out the metal fillings in your mouth.

Likewise any metal pinnings that you have in your body.

!!!!

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

38. Ow! I'm a pierced protestor.

:scared:

[Sugar Smack]

19. And to think: They merely used cattle prods in "The Handmaid's Tale"

:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

[truedelphi]

20. Plus do we really think anAdministration that has broken laws to

Eavesdrop will care what the representatives and Senators opposing this
think about it?

"We are either with them - or agin them" and if we are protesters, we are
SCUM,Vermin, or as my right wing "Christian" neighbor would point out
we are "Demonic"

[EVDebs]

21. This bastard took an oath to "preserve, protect, defend" the Constitution

and the American people. Now he wants an American 'Tienanmen' ? He should be in the Red Army, not the US Air Force.

[nebenaube]

22. hmmm....

sounds like the sizzle heard 'round the world to me...

[Katzenjammer]

24. I think you might be misinterpreting

He might actually be saying that it's a weapon that should never be used on anyone, and the way to make sure it isn't is to demand that if it's going to be used, it should be used first on people --US voters-- who will be so outraged by the sheer inhumanity of it that they'll administer a terminal ass-kicking to everyone involved.

[doublethink]

25. Your kidding right?

If you are you forgot the :sarcasm: thingy. Anyway my name is 'doublethink' and welcome to DU. :hi:

[MindPilot]

28. OH double plus goodspeak!!

Clearly that's what Wynne MEANT to say. We just thought what he actually said was the actual meaning, not what I thought he thought he meant. Right?

Hey, and welcome to DU!!

[SlavesandBulldozers]

33. actually

the article didn't say what he actually said in many instances.

Do you have the transcript of what he said, I'm genuinely curious.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

31. i'll speak in your defense.

that was my reading of his statement.

There was a LOT of editorializing going on in that article.
I haven't seen the full text of his statements.

[meldroc]

27. This isn't just a crowd control device, it's a torture device.

But Bush, Cheney and Co. aren't mentioning that. As I mentioned in another thread, it's a perfect torture device - a machine that (when set to the correct power level for that purpose) can cause excruciating pain without leaving a mark on the victim, preserving plausible deniability. Just strap the guy down in front of the emitter and turn it on. (For extra credit, leave some balls of tinfoil on the victim so he can watch them start arcing.) I can imagine that you may see these microwave weapons at Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and the CIA's secret prisons soon (if they aren't there already...)

Best part is that if we're talking about a secret prison full of people who've been "disappeared", just turn up the power a bit and let second and third degree burns & internal organ damage persuade those pesky prisoners to be more cooperative, or turn the machine up to full power, leave it on for a while, and cook a human being like a microwave burrito.

You know in your heart that Bush, Cheney and Gonzales won't have a single pang of conscience coming from using these weapons in this way...

[Danger Mouse]

40. Ick.

Scarily enough, I can totally envision this happening.

[Ignis]

30. Not just our Reps -- the MEDIA too!

This makes a great news story--and I'm sure the world press will cover it, even if the MSM in the US won't.

Spread the word on this awful public threat. Try a LTTE.

[Nikki Stone 1]

32. Yes it was a threat--to anyone who might demonstrate

Thanks for clarifying that.

[stepnw1f]

34. It Was Threat! Damn Right.... and I Aint Scared, But Pissed Instead!

These right wingers aren't too bright.

[butterfly77]

35. For any freepers on here who think that this is a joke...

when your asses wake up and want to protest or dissent about anything this is what will be used on your silly asses. Keep on thinking that they are on your side ...

[sofa king]

48. And they will.

I'll bet Dick Cheney knows that apocryphal Ben Franklin quote by heart: "Thoſe who would give up Essential Liberty to purchaſe a little Temporary Safety, deſerve neither...." Only when he thinks of it, he laughs.

But as Clint Eastwood once said, "deserve's got nothin' to do with it." You give up the first, and you're guaranteed to lose the second, and we're seeing that happen already.

[Jcrowley]

36. Just think

if one of these showed up at a demostration. Even if it was never to be used. Intimidation. Do not protest your government is the message. I wish I could say I can't imagine it.

[uriel1972]

41. It's moments like these

that make me thankful I live in Australia. I read these boards and I can't imagine how scary it must be to live in the USA. Your (un)elected leaders are mind-blowingly insane. If it's any comfort you have my deepest sympathies and admiration. I just don't know what to say beyond "WTF"

[newyawker99]

44. Hi uriel1972!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Mandate My Ass]

50. "Mind-blowingly insane..."

Well put, uriel1972, I usually just call them bat-shit crazy! ;-)

Welcome to DU. :hi:

[ima_sinnic]

42. congress.org is a good resource for letters to & from We The People

They have a "soapbox" feature where you can post a letter to other citizens (I think it does cost a few dollars to use that feature), as well as handy links to all your congress people. You can choose to have your letters to reps & senators made public at no charge. I think the letters get quite a bit of exposure there. At the moment, two among the most current are ripping * a new one for failures of 9/11.
http://www.congress.org

[sofa king]

45. My favorite part about microwave weapons:

They don't work on people who aren't showing exposed skin. Thus a close follower of traditional fashion in Iraq or Afghanistan will already be mostly protected from the effects of microwave weapons--even their headgear is already designed for full-face protection.

The people who aren't protected from such weapons are Americans and people who have generally adopted Western dress. In America, people actually react adversely to others who have their faces covered--just try walking around town in a ski mask, even in winter, and you'll know what I mean.

I can't think of a better way to create a fundamentalist army virtually overnight than to attempt to use these weapons in the Middle East. But they will work really well right here in America.

[klook]

47. Modern version of firehoses

As long as we stay off the streets and shut up, we have nothing to worry about.

[kaygore]

49. The Air Force has been taken over by the Dominionist wingnuts

We need to fire all their asses or at least put them in Gitmo jails for the rest of their sorry lives.