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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:01 AM
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MURTHA TO OFFER RESOLUTION CALLING FOR RUMSFELD'S RESIGNATION...
Via The Huffington Post



Developing....
Rep. Murtha and Rep. Obey will announce a resolution today calling for Defense Secretary Rumsfeld's resignation. Rep. Murtha (D-PA) is a Ranking Member of the Defense Subcommittee and Rep. Obey (D-WI) is a Ranking Member of the House Appropriations Committe.


Can't wait to hear the wording on this!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:04 AM
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1. Whoa, that'll start a shit storm. I can't wait either. And then
Smirky can come back and tell us that he's not going to put up with that because that is what the 'terraists' want.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:07 AM
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2. Call me old fashioned, but I think it's always best when war criminals
resign.

Rumsfeld should stop worrying about whether he's done enough evil to earn a spot in hell.

He's done enough damage and killing for at least 12 people.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:14 AM
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3. prediction
GOP hijacks the resolution and attaches 'cut and run' language to it and the resolution is resoundingly defeated. Even Pelosi votes against it.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:18 AM
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4. now that's a "Strong Dem"
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:29 AM
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5. Good for him!
Hopefully the Dems WILL back him up on this. I CAN hope!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:53 AM
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8. Maybe this time they will - Dems didn't back up Kerry in 2003 or 2004 when
he called for Rumsfeld to go THREE different times. You would think EVERY Dem would have supported Kerry on that after Abu Ghraib and after Kerry became the nominee.

But few did.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:42 AM
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6. Dems MUST stand up solidly and resolutely behind this!
No waffling. Please.
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 11:45 AM
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7. Murtha should not be calling for his resignation
He should be calling for his arrest.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:10 PM
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9. Absofuckinglutely!
What many fail to realize is that Murtha, despite the candor and integrity he's shown regarding the Iraq occupation, is a conservative, 'muscular' (military advocate) Democrat. As such, he's sympatico, to some degree, with the "War on Terror" hype and predilection for military deployment in lieu of diplomacy and efforts akin to Peace Corps outreach.

The predations and abuses of the Bushoilini regime are an order of magnitude, or more, than even Murtha acknowledges. The invasion and occupation of Iraq is a war crime!

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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:31 PM
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19. Hewar, Hear! (nt)
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:55 PM
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10. Murtha, if you're in for a Penny, you're in for a Pound.
ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT. He's not going to resign on his own, you're going to have to IMPEACH Rumsfeld before anything gets done.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:33 PM
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20. "you're going to have to IMPEACH Rumsfeld"-true as long as Dickhead is VP
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BeautifulLoser Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:56 PM
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11. Waste of time
Symbolic legislation
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:56 PM
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12. Give 'em Hell Murtha!!!!!!
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:03 PM
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21. That's exactly what I said.
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 12:58 PM
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13. "Rummy's doing a heck of a job"
Is what the Asshole in Chief will say.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:00 PM
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14. Can amendments to restore cuts to pell grants, food programs
or Gulf coast wetlands restoration be put on it? Maybe?
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:20 PM
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15. Murtha and Obey are kicking tush on CSPAN in a press conferenc
now. They are telling about how * twisted the budgetary and appropriations process and obsfuscated and lied about funding. Then Murtha said he didn't appreciate people "sitting in the WH on their fat backsides" making judgments on how to do the military's job when they had no clue. He was clearly referring to Rove. Obey said he came from McCarthy's state and he heard a third rate McCarthy make a speech the other night.

Go, guys!!! Now where are the rest of the Dems?
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:24 PM
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16. Skidmore, I don't Congressman Obey was referring to Chimpy.
I think he was referring to Boehner's comment from yesterday and rightfully so....
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:26 PM
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17. Any number of the Mickey Mouse Club could fit that description.
They all talk the same way.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 01:28 PM
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18. :::::: FULL TEXT UP!! ::::::::
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 01:34 PM by FLDem5
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/09/13/murtha-to-offer-resolutio_n_29340.html

Today I introduced a resolution in the House of Representatives calling for the immediate resignation of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

The President must show the American people and the world that there is accountability for the mistakes that have made in the war in Iraq. We must restore our credibility with our allies and the world in order to effectively fight the global threat of terrorism.

Secretary Rumsfeld has failed in managing the military response to this threat and should be replaced with someone who is capable of not only recognizing the mistakes that have been made but addressing them head on for the good of our military and our great nation.




H. Con. Res. __________

Expressing the Sense of Congress that the President should immediately replace the Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

September 13, 2006



Mr. Murtha introduced the following resolution, which was referred to the committee on___________


Whereas ----


After 9/11, the United States government had unprecedented support from international allies as well as the American people for military action against al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan


The initial phase of the war in Afghanistan was successful in dismantling al Qaeda operations, removing the Taliban authority which was harboring al Qaeda, and allowing for the Afghani people to establish a representative government


The Secretary of Defense imposed a cap on the number of ground forces in Afghanistan prior to the war in Iraq


The Bush administration concluded in April 2002 that Osama bin Laden was in Tora Bora, Afghanistan during the battle for Tora Bora in December of 2001 and that the failure to commit the sufficient number of ground forces directly resulted in the failure to capture him


A resurgence of Taliban influence and violence is now occurring in Afghanistan


In the months prior to the war in Iraq, The Secretary of Defense repeatedly and forcefully asserted to Congress and the American people that there was no question that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that they were a threat to the United States, which is now known to be false


The Secretary of Defense rejected estimates from top military commanders regarding the troop strength that would be required to secure Iraq, failed to anticipate the level of violent opposition among Iraqis to US occupation, and publicly doubted the war in Iraq would take six months


The Secretary of Defense expressly forbade his staff to develop a plan for post-war Iraq and threatened to fire anyone who raised the issue


The Secretary of Defense failed to ensure that US troops had adequate protective gear for their mission at the start of the Iraq war, including a shortage of 40,000 protective body armor units, radio frequency jammers to thwart remote detonation of improvised explosive devices, and up-armored high mobility multi-purpose wheeled vehicles (HMMWVs)


Failure of the Secretary of Defense to anticipate the troop strength needed to secure Iraq or to develop a post-war plan resulted in foreign fighters entering the country who have incited attacks against US soldiers and fomented sectarian violence, the latter of which has precipitated a civil war between Sunni and Shia Iraqis

The Secretary of Defense asserted at the start of the Iraq war that Iraqi oil production would pay for the war yet US expenditures in Iraq now exceed $8 billion per month and Iraqi oil production is still below prewar levels


The Secretary of Defense failed to provide the necessary training, supervision, personnel and guidelines for the management of prisoners and detainees which directly led to the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison, severely undermining US efforts to win hearts and minds of the Iraqi people critical to securing Iraq


The Secretary of Defense has failed to address the flagging readiness of US ground forces, in particular the US Army, whose preparedness for war has eroded to levels not witnessed by our country in decades, thus hindering the ability of the US to respond to other potential threats to national security


US armed forces cannot sustain the current operational tempo in Iraq and a large percentage of US troops have done over three tours in Iraq


With 130,000 troops, key measures of success in Iraq have not been met and in some cases are worsening, including: the level of employment; the level of oil production; the level of electricity production; the training of Iraqi security forces; and the number of violent incidents, which have increased from an average of 400 per week before the establishment of an interim Iraqi government in the spring of 2004 to almost 800 per week this year


The Secretary of Defense has failed to ensure adequate accounting of billions of dollars of expenditures of the Coalition Provisional Authority


At the time of the introduction of this resolution, 2,672 US service members have died in Iraq and 337 have died in Afghanistan, exceeding the number of people who died on 9/11; in addition, over 20,000 US service members have been wounded


Terrorism incidents around the world have increased since the US entered Iraq


A survey of 116 top national security experts indicates that eighty-seven percent of them believe the Iraq war has had a negative impact on the war on terrorism while ninety three percent of them believe that the war in Afghanistan has had a positive impact on the war on terrorism


Democrats and Republicans are united against terrorism; Democrats and Republicans are united for a strong military; Democrats and Republicans are united for a strong America


Therefore, be it resolved that --------



It is the sense of the Congress that, for the good of the country, the United States of America must restore credibility both at home and abroad and that the first step toward restoring that credibility must be to demonstrate accountability for the mistakes that have been made in prosecuting the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq by immediately effecting the resignation of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and replacing him with someone capable of leading the nation's military in a strategy to resolve our deployment in Iraq, prevent regression in Afghanistan, reconstitute our military readiness, and refocus on the threats to national security posed by diffuse and proliferating terrorist cells as well as belligerent states.



__________________________________

JOHN P. MURTHA

Member of Congress

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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:06 PM
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22. Thanks!
:kick:
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