Al Qaeda Will Nuke US in Late September

[leQ]

i'm not sure how much credibility one can take from this source, but hey, how much credibility is there in MSM?

A Pakistani journalist says that his sources in al Qaeda and the Taliban are claiming that nuclear material has already been smuggled across the Mexican border into the U.S. and that an operation bigger than 9/11 will be carried out during Ramadan--which begins later this month.

Hamid Mir, who is the only journalist ever to interview both Osama bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri, claims that he learned this information on a recent trip to Afghanistan last month.

So, the guy does have a track record, but considering that he got the information from al Qaeda and the Taliban....well, these guys aren't exactly reliable sources. So, yeah the headline is alarmist, but blame my editor and not me.

A man called Adnan Al-Shukri Jumaa (Juma, Jumah) is presently in the U.S. and has been assigned the task of detonating the nuclear material. The report does not say whether an actual nuclear bomb was smuggled in or only material to be used for a 'dirty bomb'.

The Jawa Report

I'd be curious as to whether or not anybody else has anything on this guy.

[saltpoint]

1. I don't want this to happen and don't think it will.

[Pierre.Suave]

2. it will seriously not surprise me

if this were to happen.

[transeo]

3. We've heard similar crap close to Ramadan every year

since 9/11, haven't we? Am I completely insane?

[oldtime dfl_er]

4. I thought Ramadan was in November

but I could be wrong.


self edit: looked it up, it's from Sept 24 - Oct 24, 2006.

http://www.cafepress.com/scarebaby/1806045

[htuttle]

6. It changes every year, since it's figured on a lunar calendar

A page I found on BBC says that this year, it's September 4th to October 23rd.

[Jamastiene]

84. I thought is was right before Christmas in December.

I see you looked it up. Well, I hope we don't get nuked. I wonder how many Repubs with say they still feel safe under Chimpy's rule if we do get nuked?

I'd rather get naked than nuked.

[EFerrari]

16. Yes, we have. You are not insane or, we both are.

:)

lol

[Marie26]

42. Yep.

I remember last year, that was supposedly the reason Bush went to his bunker in Colorado during Hurricane Rita, right?

[rodeodance]

5. "smuggled across the Mexican border" If i were a cynic, I would say

that repug congresscritters in the House are very happy

[CarlVK]

32. There ya go - blame the BROWN ones again

I think this is a subtle prop for closing the borders.

[SoCalDem]

37. smuggled in by Mohammed Garcia, no doubt..n/t

[newspeak]

69. so, remember the thread with the two guys and the truck at

the nuclear facility? Did we get any closure on what really happened there? I mean, the guy had no license (said it was stolen) and had lots of cash on him. Here let me put on my new stylish tinfoil hat.:tinfoilhat:

[LeftHander]

85. ding ding ding....

And those "guys" were good ole' texas boys....

[closeupready]

7. I do not believe this.

Setting aside issues with credibility of the Jawa Report, there needs to be corroboration of the journalist's claims from a separate source, at a minimum.

[rsmith6621]

8. If True......!!!!!!!!

Im SO GLAD that George and Dick are Keeping us SAFE!!!!!...:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[louis-t]

20. They will blame Dems for not 'letting' them build a

wall across the border.

[CarlVK]

33. More Dems than you think want to erect a Berlin Wall in the south

In fact I'm horrified by the number of my Democratic fellows letting the xenophobic, border-closing and yes, often racist, venom spew when it comes to this issue. I live in Nevada and I've seen this plenty of times. Disgusting.

[AntiFascist]

44. A Berlin Wall should not be necessary...

what they need to do, and if Democrats were smart and not influenced by big business themselves, is to focus on the people and businesses hiring illegals. It is this demand which is causing the flow and supply of undocumented people crossing the borders, and it's not an issue of race but rather an issue of economics. If xenophobia is a problem, then increase the number of legal immigrants.

[StraightDope]

9. October surprise much?

[Tesha]

10. Yeah, but the plutonium will trace back to a Savannah River reactor.

Yeah, but the plutonium will trace back to the K reactor at
the Savannah River plant. They'll know because the Gadolinium
reading will be too high.

Tesha

[enigma000]

39. Sum of All Fears, I believe? n/t

[Tesha]

50. You believe correctly. (NT)

[The Wielding Truth]

46. Let's not forget that crazy incident in Western Pa - First Energy.

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/8821721/detail...

http://spacetimecurves.blogspot.com/2006/04/planning-yo...

**State police said the men drove up to the Beaver Valley Power Station in a tractor-trailer on Tuesday night to pick up two large containers of tools for a contractor for whom they worked.

Security guards stopped the men for a routine inspection, but they drove away, police said.

The guards became suspicious and called police, who pulled the truck over about a mile from the plant.

A state trooper got a warrant to search the vehicle and found a duffel bag, which he said contained $504,230 in mostly small bills."

And more interesting things from Bechtel:

[LSK]

11. read the Update below

UPDATE: Dean Barnett, filling in for Hugh, recycles an old essay, with some important facts on the threat of suitcase bomb. Bottom line, al Qaeda doesn't have them.

A reader also points out that I misread part of the story, and the Ramadan threat applies only to Afghanistan and not the nuke threat.

Also, I'm actually trying NOT to be alarmist here. Hence, all the caveats about the unrealiability of the source. But, worst-case scenario stuff should always worry us to the point of prevention, but not panic. I have home-insurance even though the likelihood of my house catching on fire is low.

[dkofos]

28. Have you read the fine print in your policy?

Even though bUSH may be behind this,
they won't consider this an act of god.

[Kazak]

93. I'm so relieved...

considering our recent history with intelligence has been so spot on... :eyes:

[originalpckelly]

12. It is not easy to build a full on nuclear weapon...

but a dirty bomb is very easy to build. God help President Bush if they really did smuggle it across the boarder. Can you imagine all those Republicans who have been pushing for boarder security? They would probably run the man out of town, that is if they didn't manage to find a way to blame it on us.

[louis-t]

22. Again, they would blame it on Dems for not 'letting'

them build a wall across the border.

[Xithras]

53. Easier than some thing.

A Hiroshima type bomb can be made simply by slamming two pieces of U-235 together hard enough. The Little Boy bomb was basically just a big gun...it fired one U-235 bullet into a U-235 target perfectly matched to its shape. The impact compression pushed the uranium past critical mass, and the resulting blast vaporized Hiroshima.

The downside to this method is that it's horribly inefficient. In fact, it required about 4500 lbs of uranium in order to reach critical mass. The Fat Man bomb dropped on Nagasaki, by contrast, is FAR more complex, but only required about 15lbs of plutonium.

The Fat Man-type design is the one used by practically all nations today, because it's safer and more efficient. If someone had a way to produce a large quantity of U-235 though, an atom bomb to use it could be built in a garage with basic machining skills.

[ProfessorGAC]

58. The Machining Requires A High Level Of Expertise

The actual device is, as you said, not that complicated. But, tolerances are very tight, and the equipment needed to machine the gun barrel aren't available at Sears!

So, while it's not as hard as some think, it might be harder than you think.
The Professor

[Xithras]

61. Not at Sears, but the equipment isn't that hard to get.

You can set up a complete machine shop, complete with CNC lathes and boring equipment, for less than 50 grand if you buy older used equipment. They aren't going to be accurate at the micron scale like some of the newest stuff is, but it will get it within a few thousandths of an inch...accurate enough for what we're talking about.

[NickB79]

65. You also need very specialized explosives

And they must be detonated in a very precise order in order to create a consistant compressive force around the uranium/plutonium core. That was one of the early problems in building the first nuclear bombs; they had to produce a new type of high explosive and find a way to set it off correctly. The first tests failed because the explosives went off in the wrong order.

[ShortnFiery]

13. It this guy that fear mongering a**hat "Glenn Beck" under cover?!?

Beck's always using his fear mongering, right wing spewing show to promote WWIII and Armageddon. I wouldn't be surprised if this douchebag is part of an organized campaign to scare the Bee-Jesus out of the American populace so they'll be sure to vote in their favorite Nazi's = The F**king FEAR and WARMONGERING sociopaths know as "The Republicans." :nuke:

[Ezlivin]

14. 5,000 people died last month

And the month before that. And the month before that right back to 9/11 and further.

Automobile accidents kill more Americans every month than the worst terrorist attack in history did. And unlike 9/11 it was not a one-time event, but recurs monthly.

Where is the outrage? Where is the "war on automobile accidents"?

We could save thousands of lives by implementing changes to our health care system and our regulation of automobiles. But instead we are frightened into pouring billions into fighting a never ending war against an ideology.

[Kazak]

94. Pfft...facts...

:scoff:

[spanone]

15. Let me guess, Iran will supply the material.

Voila! we're at war with Iran. No If's, but's, or whatever's.

[Tesha]

23. I'm pretty sure Israel could spare a bomb or two...

> Let me guess, Iran will supply the material.

I'm pretty sure Israel could spare a bomb or two if it
would help bring us in on their side of a full-scale war
in the Middle East.

And the Bushies have thousands, probably including
access to some lost ex-USSR "devices" that might not
track back so quickly to us.

Tesha

[dkofos]

29. More likely to come from Pakistan.

[AlCzervik]

17. some of this is based on info from a sub0host for Hugh Hewitt

file it under---bullshit.

[truedelphi]

18. Apologize for my source here but

Micahel Savage (UGH! I hate him too!) had a guest on his radio show yesterday
saying this also.

They listed the cities that are on the possible nuclear bomb list for the later-
this-year *surprise* among them New York City, Boston, Houston, Miami, Los Angeles Detroit and possibly Chicago

Savage complained about San Francisco not being on the list then said, Well the dirty nasty Al Queda are leaving San Francisco alone so the weird sick-oos there can help them run the Vichy like government that Al Queda will install after the blast.

This seems rather short-sighted of Savage - he goes to events in SF all the time...

[longship]

21. Detroit Not likely.

Why would they attack the strongest Muslim stronghold in the USA?

But I think this report is very likely 100% bunkum anyway.

[Recursion]

66. Your average American had no idea there were so many...

...Christians in Iraq and Lebanon. I wonder if your average mujuhadin understands how many muslims are in America?

[truedelphi]

76. Many many Muslims in parts of California

Many Iraqis in San Francisco Area - also Lebanese community

[CBGLuthier]

71. muslims are killing muslims

every single day in Iraq.

[dkofos]

30. Is he a closet HOMOSEXUAL??

[truthseeker1]

47. I thought he was BASED in SF (n/t)

[SDDEM06]

49. Nothing in Indiana?

But it has the most targets!

[Parche]

19. nuke

And from their Batcaves they can build a Nucular bomb....................???

[Tesha]

25. Why build when you can buy (or, better yet, be given)? (NT)

[LSK]

48. yep, Saddam had a firesale on them in 2002

:sarcasm:

[peace13]

24. If this happens you can bet that Dick is behind it!

He has warned us! It won't happen unless Washington wants it to happen.

[Montagnard]

26. MY GOD MAN! You are telling me they breached our boarder?

Sorry, I lost my head, just remembered the Bush regime only started addressing boarder security, last June...ah, oh yes, four years after 9/11. Did they forget, are they supporting the terrorist..etc, etc.

[ClusterFreak]

27. Made me look! n/t

:applause:

[bananas]

31. Mike Levine seems convinced

He's had Paul Williams as a guest a number of times,
you can download or listen to the latest show until Sunday or Monday.
(Mike Levine has a long running show on WBAI, not a right wing nut)

http://www.expertwitnessradio.org/

An American Hiroshima?
An update from the author of "Osama's Revenge"

Listen (Mp3 - 12.8 mb)
http://www.expertwitnessradio.org/archives/expertWitness-2006-08-14-PaulWilliams.mp3

<snip>

Previous shows on related topics:

Osama's Revenge, Part I
Osama's Revenge, Part II
Osama's Revenge, Part III
Our first broadcast with Paul Williams - membership required

[frylock]

34. chechen rebels in black pajamas carrying suitcase nukes..

across the Mexican border. Anyone recall those stories right around Sept-Oct of 2002?

[Kazak]

95. I sure do...

Also remember hearing Savage talking about it on his show, oddly enough...

[yasmina27]

35. This isn't really new but...

this interview is a bit unnerving to read:

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/mauro052506.htm

I don't know anything about this source. Does anyone know if it is credible or not?
It was conducted and written by Ryan Mauro, founder of :

http://www.worldthreats.com/

I don't quite trust any source that has a headliner on WorldNut Daily.

I remember seeing this article elsewhere, but this is the link I came up with. The possibility of AQ nukes is nothing new, as this article is dated 11/10/01: http://www.dawn.com/2001/11/10/top1.htm

[Tiggeroshii]

36. Yeah right...... n/t

[blm]

38. Wannabet this is a set-up for a heroically prevented "terra attack" by WH?

And that they were able to do it with their surveilance methods that many Dems tried to stop?

[Generic Other]

86. Yup, they want to foil an honest to god threat like Clinton did

with the Millenium Bombers.

[Jacobin]

40. That would be a 'dirty bomb'

Extraordinarily smaller in terms of the damage it causes. Based on the 'smuggled nuclear material across border' statement.

No mushroom cloud. Just explosions scattering radioactive material. Horridly expensive to clean up and could make a metro area of a pretty good size not safely habitable for a long time, and could cause all kinds of grief, but NOT a nuclear explosion.

Big Big difference.

I hope it doesn't happen. It will make Commander Codpiece the Emporer for life, and there is nothing that would please Osama more

[Marie26]

41. I really wish

that this could be dismissed as Republican propaganda, but this journalist does seem like someone who's very knowledgeable about Al-Queda. It does seem like the right-wingers are spreading this rumor right now, though. I kind of wish I hadn't read this!

[mnhtnbb]

43. But it sure won't be detonated from lipstick, toothpaste, and shampoo!

[Tesha]

57. I'm always troubled when DUers make a quip like this.

> But it sure won't be detonated from lipstick, toothpaste,
> and shampoo!

I'm always troubled when DUers make a quip like this.
Clearly, you either don't understand just how powerful
modern explosives can be and how little damage needs to
be done to some critical section of an airliner to bring
it down, or you don't have enough imagination as to how
such a device might be constructed and deployed. A "lip-
stick", a tube of "toothpaste", or a container of "shampoo"
is more than enough to bring down an airliner.*

Here's the truth:

We will *NEVER* be able to screen-out all the possibilities
of bad guys bringing down airliners, not even if made all
passengers fly naked-as-the-day-they-were-born and shipped
all their luggage on a separate plane.

The *ONLY* way we will mitigate this hazard is to get
people world-wide to stop hating us.

Tesha


*If you want one idea, consider how much VX "gas" it would
take to kill everyone on board an airliner; the answer is:
properly dispersed, far less than fits in a lipstick.

[mnhtnbb]

59. Oh, I clearly must be deficient in knowledge or imagination because

I dare to poke fun at the ridiculous screening procedures that are intended more to look like TSA is doing something, than to actually protect
us from terrorist attack?

I agree with your "truth" statements. Personally, I'm willing to forgo
the shampoo, lipstick, toothpaste drill because I don't think it generates additional security that's worth the inconvenience.

I also know I'm more likely to die in my bed from heart attack, or on the street from a car accident than I am to die in an airplane that's a target of terrorist attack. I'm willing to play the odds. I think the people of this country have stopped thinking and are way too willing to be herded around like sheep.

[readmoreoften]

64. A major association of American Chemists debunked the "Gatorade Theory."

They showed that it is tactically impossible to create a liquid chemical bomb through component parts while on an aircraft. Even if you could smuggle the pieces into the airplane toilet, you'd have to mix them carefully, keep a CONSISTENT temperature under them using a thermometer and a bunsen burner for over FOUR HOURS. If the temperature varied at any moment, it would cause an explosion that would likely blow off the terrorist's face and cause no damage to anyone else or to the plane whatsoever.

Highly inefficient and ridiculous scenario.

[Tesha]

72. Did I mention a liquid explosive? I did not. (NT)

[rman]

81. You did suggest lipstick, toothpaste, and shampoo have something to do

with modern explosives.

[Tesha]

82. Yes and no.

In one part of my post, I discussed (by inference) how a shaped
charge of "modern explosives" could easily bring down a plane.
I certainly did not explicitly mention liquid (binary) explosives
and that such a charge would easily fit within a lipstick or
toothpaste tube (and be pretty undetectible in either).


In the postscript to my post, I went in a completely different
direction, sugesting you (we) consider the possibility that
a chemical weapon could easily be hidden in lipstick, a toothpaste
tube, or shampoo, and I'm pretty damned certain that the screening
methods currently in use would be completely ineffective against
such a weapon.
Tesha

[rman]

83. Ok. So, terrorists are either stupid, or not as malicious as certain

elements in society would have us believe.

[Tesha]

89. So far, yes. And I'd bet on the second rather than the first. (NT)

[rman]

97. agreed. nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

88. Really?

Because I was thinking that modern explosives are not particular more powerful than they were fifty years ago. Or a hundred years ago. Or a 150 years ago.

And while plastique hasn't been around for 150 years, it's still been around for quite some time.

Furthermore, I was thinking about this latest liquid bomb was, basically, a hoax. One perpetrated by the Bush admin., but a hoax none the less.

And I was thinking that the confiscation of lipstick, shampoo, etc. at airports is both stupid and cowardly.

And I would be troubled by people who think otherwise. But really, I'm to busy to waste my time getting upset about stupid cowards.

[Tesha]

90. I was thinking primarily of "shaped charges".

I was thinking primarily of "shaped charges" rather than
the explosive agents themselves.

But the main point of my post, of course, was that it was
impossible to "screen out" the terrorist threat given a
sufficiently motivated and clever terrorist.

Tesha

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

91. Yeah, I know.

And VX lipstick.

Watch out. Maybe airplanes should start screening for really tall guys with metal teeth, and chubby little Asian guys with razor-blade derbies.

[truedelphi]

77. But maybe pepsi and Mentos will do the trick! n/t

[Xenotime]

45. There you go. Chimpy's plan to destroy America will be complete.

[ComerPerro]

51. nothing more than a Republican wet dream

[malaise]

52. I'm curious about the reasons

why a DUER would assist Bushco in this fugging fear-mongering.

[Kashka-Kat]

54. In my best Stephanie Miller voice, "Whatever!"

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

55. The website's title -- Jawa -- is a racist reference to Arabs

In Star Wars the Jawa are the guys at the start of the (proper) first film who take R2D2 & C3P0 & sell them to Luke's uncle. A part of the online right have picked up Jawa as a less overt version of towelhead or 'sand nigger'.

I wouldn't trust a word from the website -- & certainly not this stupid guff about nuclear bombs going off inside the US which is ludicrous & designed to instill fear because of associations with the word 'nuclear'.

[maxsolomon]

56. lets assume its true for the sake of argument...

a nuke goes off in, say, witchita, kansas.

here's what would get nuked by bush later that day:
islamabad
tehran
damascus
mecca
riyadh
whatever the capital of yemen is
bagdhad would have to wait for our troops to pull out

[RandiRhodesArchives]

63. Mecca & Riyadh?

Why would Dimson blow up his Saudi buddies?! You know, the ones he goes out of his way to HOLD HANDS WITH! (While trashing gay marriage! Oh the irony!)

[NickB79]

67. And the day after that, oil hits $200/barrel

The stock market crashes harder than 1929, and by 2008 we're using our computers for kindling to stay warm and cook wild rabbits over.

We lose.

[maxsolomon]

70. since when have we made rational decisions during the bush admin?

we'd nuke back out of vengeance, lashing out blindly & stupidly like we did after 9/11. it really would be a crusade at that point - christian fascists hitting islam as hard as possible. for us to turn the other cheek would be completely out of character for this country's history. we would escalate, and some muslim city would have to burn.

you can't burn a computer, but over a wood fire, rabbits are good.

[CJCRANE]

80. B*sh's decisions are very rational.

He turns American anger onto people who won't do business with him.

That's why he hit Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11 (whilst at the same time covering for his Saudi and Pakistani buddies). He will do exactly the same if there is another attack.

[Taxloss]

96. Devastating the world economy, prompting global war,

and plunging us back 500 years within the space of months?

I doubt it.

[Beelzebud]

60. Sounds like Right-Wing bullshit smuggled across the border to me.

[stepnw1f]

62. Yuh Sure... Right Before the Election

bullshit!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

68. Not to worry. Boobya will protect us with anti-missle missles.

If them terrists dare attack us, we'll knock them missles out of the sky. If they give us 30 days notification in advance, the weather's clear, and we know exactly where it's aimed.

And, if they smuggle in nuclear stuff and blow up a city or two, why, we'll...we'll...attack Grenada or somewhere and, uh..uh..smoke 'em out.

Sleep well, 'Murka, Der Fightin' Fuhrer from Crawford is stoked on pretzels and ready to roll.

[hogwyld]

73. How could we all have been so stupid as to not see Bushco's

fantastically brilliant plan? Create the 9/11 fever to get everyone stoked on 'Terra. Keep on kkkilling brown people for a couple of years, and then in his master stroke, "sacrifices" an American city (bonus if it is an America-hating blue city). We make the entire middle east a lifeless expanse of glass, we move in and presto, Exxon and their buddies designate * emporor of the world for life. :tinfoilhat: :nuke:

[Spearman87]

74. I heard a different version a couple nights back

.....on the Michael Savage radio show (about as Ultra-Right Wing, anti-establishment as it gets......he hates Bush, Rumsfeld, Condi)

The journalist he interviewed said that the leads he’s tracked down indicated there were up to 7 nukes in the US, but that they wouldn’t be used unless we attack Iran directly.

[onethatcares]

75. well does the rapture occur before or after?

sheesh, so much to do, so little time to do it. BTW, am going to homedepot, anyone need any duct tape and visqueen?

[RebelOne]

78. According to the RaptureReady.com wackos,

the rapture should occur after. 'Cause then Jesus is going to come and zap them all up to heaven.

[CarbonDate]

79. Booga Booga!

That's all this is. Ignore.

[LSK]

87. FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR

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[Radioactive]

92. Jawa Report??

Doesn't sound like the most reliable of news sources does it. They even have a Star Wars banner at the top of their website lol.