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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 03:20 PM
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Bush, Evil, and a Third Awakening
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 04:09 PM by bigtree
September 13, 2006


The motives of acts
Are rarely the same
As their name, as their name
-- Larkin


Is Bush evil? Is bin-Laden?

Bush speaks often about 'evil', as in: the evil ones, evil people, he's evil, no isolation from evil, evil has returned, evil is real, terrorism is evil, America faces an evil, we're fighting evil, an evil man that we're dealing with, we will not stop until we defeat evil.

There may be things that we correctly label evil, but are all attacks on Americans and our agents and allies 'evil'? Bush has always viewed any action against Americans - even against his bloody occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan - as evil while, at the same time, declaring the success of his own militarism ordained by God herself.

There is that similar thread that runs through the ideology of Bush and bin-Laden alike; that of religious-based rhetoric cosseting violent acts against against each other; waged either out of defense or to serve their own narrow interests. Both seek to shackle their followers to a deadly political pieties which uses religion to cosset and justify their use of violence to achieve their political objectives. Bush has his 'war on terror' which he fancies himself doing God's work as he wields the awesome force of our nations military. Bin-Laden has his war on infidels which he wages in the name of Allah with the lives of his followers.

"Faith shows us the reality of good, and the reality of evil," President Bush said at a prayer breakfast shortly after the 9-11 attacks. "Some acts and choices in this world have eternal consequences. It is always, and everywhere, wrong to target and kill the innocent. It is always, and everywhere, wrong to be cruel and hateful, to enslave and oppress." That's more than just a little ironic in the face of all that's transpired since in the prosecution of his dual Mideast occupations.

Peter Baker at the WaPost reported on an interview Bush gave Tuesday, where he told a group of 'conservative journalists' that he "senses a "Third Awakening" of religious devotion in the United States that has coincided with the nation's struggle with international terrorists, a war that he depicted as "a confrontation between good and evil."

Mr. Baker wrote that, "Bush noted that some of Abraham Lincoln's strongest supporters were religious people "who saw life in terms of good and evil" and who believed that slavery was evil. Many of his own supporters, he said, see the current conflict in similar terms."

Rich Lowery at NatReview provided a few excerpts of the interview. “Freedom is universal,” he quotes Bush as saying. “I recognize there’s a debate around the world about the kind of — whether that principle is real. I call it moral relativism, if people do not believe that certain people can be free. I mean, I just cannot subscribe to that. People — I know it upsets people when I ascribe that to my belief in an Almighty, and that I believe a gift from that Almighty is universal freedom. That’s what I believe.”

“Cultures do change,” Bush is reported as saying. “Ideological struggles are won, but it takes time. It just takes time . . . I’m not giving you a definitive statement — it seems like to me there’s a Third Awakening with a cultural change . . . It feels like it."

Abraham Lincoln spoke to the notion of divinity's mandate to vigilance when he remarked on the violence of the abolitionist, John Brown in his Cooper Union address. "An enthusiast broods over the oppression of a people till he fancies himself commissioned by heaven to liberate them," he said.

"Human action can be modified to some extent, but human nature cannot be changed," he continued. "There is a judgment and a feeling against slavery in this nation, which cast at least a million and a half of votes. You cannot destroy that judgment and feeling - that sentiment - by breaking up the political organization which rallies around it."

Lincoln suffered for the success of his war at the point of a terrorist's gun. It would be impossible to argue that he died merely for the defense of territory. The surrender of the southern army brought freedom for the majority of slaves. And, no matter how we judge the immediate impact of Lincoln's proclamation, the victory led to the emancipation and the subsequent empowerment of Africans in America. Yet, Lincoln believed that adherence to the principles of democracy would distinguish any victory in a manner that would provide for the durability of the Union and foster a national affirmation of the rights of the individual.

"It was that," he said, "which gave promise that in due time the weight would be lifted from the shoulders of all men."

We don't know why the 9-11 bombers attacked, though they've given countless explanations and attempted justifications for their vile act. We can't discern the truth behind any of the attacker's complaints (as they were offered), and it make no difference at all, anyway. There can be no justification; no combatant can hold themselves blameless for attacks on innocents because of where they perceive the violence to have begun. The animosity and grudges between us have now spread to areas that are far removed from the original attack on 9-11 as Bush and his regime have cast an infinite web of militarism in pursuit of their 'war on terror'.

If we care in the U.S. to listen to the voices from many of the citizens from the rest of the world we can't miss the majority of angry expressions of blame and anguish that place the moniker of 'evil' at the feet of bin-Laden and his accomplices for the 9-11 attacks, without hesitation. However, America can't escape their view of Bush, the republicans, and others who support his continuing occupation of Iraq, as evil as the rest of them.

"It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces," Lincoln said a month before he was assassinated, "but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh."

It would seem that to many in the WH evil is seen as the source of an aggression done against us, but they don't often think of themselves as evil for the harm they do to others. All sides, maybe even, I suppose, the originator of Bush's 'mandate' to conquer, bin Laden, fancy themselves on the defensive. It alleviates blame, it soothes guilt, it absolves responsibility, if only in the mind of the aggressor.

Yet, I think that if there is an evil, it must exist outside of us all, manipulating our own fear, clouding our judgment with hate and recrimination at the perceived source our losses, driving us to more violence like some miasmic parasite, consuming us as it feeds off of our collective acrimony. We must find a way to step back and let just, peaceful actions distinguish us from those who would attack us. That effort has to begin with the ones among us who have chosen to project their fears in the most destructive way imaginable: the Bush administration and their blustering, reflexive militarism.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:54 PM
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1. .
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MoseyWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:57 PM
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2. K &R n/t
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 10:48 PM
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4. :)
thanks for the kick & rec!
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 10:14 PM
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3. David Duke or dubya?
I used to think Bush was the lesser or those two evils. Now I view Duke as the more honest and less dangerous of the two. :(

the Republican party now has the same structure that the Communists had, the KGB is was nothing more than a tool for holding power..now the CIA and the Department of Homeland Defense serve as nothing more than Republican instruments for controlling the government and spreading terror.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:42 AM
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5. you're right on flaminbats
the new 'intelligence' agencies are part and parcel of the Bush propaganda machine they use to perpetuate their contrived power. I can't imagine what good they are with them producing no convictions on anything related to 9-11. Good for Bush and Rove and Cheney.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:18 AM
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6. Bush Announces Vision Of "Third Awakening" . . . God Help Us All
Bush Announces Vision Of "Third Awakening", an Apocalyptic Fight Between Good And Evil... God Help Us All

September 13, 2006

On the day that George W. Bush was sworn into his second term as governor of Texas, friend and adviser Dr. Richard Land recalls Bush making an unexpected pronouncement.

"The day he was inaugurated there were several of us who met with him at the governor's mansion," says Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission. "And among the things he said to us was, 'I believe that God wants me to be president.' Our leader, “the leader of the free world”, in my view truly believes that God acted to make him President of the United States.

He probably believes that when they get around to putting up a George W. Bush memorial in Washington DC, it’ll be taller than the Washington Monument. He also believes it’ll be a giant “Statue of Liberty-like” likeness of himself holding a crucifix in one hand and a bible in the other, blessing all who come to worship his grand effigy.

President Bush has expressed the opinion that more troops are not needed in Afghanistan, because a “Kinetic action” will begin that will give him a sign in the revealing of bin Laden’s location. That means that the troops that are already there will die needlessly until he gets his “vision”.

more: http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/09/13/162541.php

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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:05 AM
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8. now we know what too much coke can do! n/t
:dilemma:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:21 PM
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9. drugs are bad
see?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:26 AM
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7. edited version and link
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 04:34 PM
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10. The guy is very clearly megalomaniacal. Justin Frank's Bush on the Couch
is an excellent read for insight into Bush's evil mind.
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Cornerstone Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 05:18 PM
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11. Who has the greater 'evil?'
"There is that similar thread that runs through the ideology of Bush and bin-Laden alike; that of religious-based rhetoric cosseting violent acts against against each other; waged either out of defense or to serve their own narrow interests. Both seek to shackle their followers to a deadly political pieties which uses religion to cosset and justify their use of violence to achieve their political objectives. Bush has his 'war on terror' which he fancies himself doing God's work as he wields the awesome force of our nations military. Bin-Laden has his war on infidels which he wages in the name of Allah with the lives of his followers."

Hmmm..Evil Fighter # 1 - Funny how George Bush's service to 'God's work' of 'fighting evil' is tied up with the 'evil one's' 'oil wells.' Doesn't God want him to fight the evil is Darfur or other regions where there isn't 'oil benefits' to the U.S.? Or is 'God' 'oil bias' as well?


Evil Fighter # 2 - 'Akbar Isssssssreeeal, Akbaaaar Ameeeeerica!' 'Death to Israel, Death to America', eh? Strange how Bin Ladin's alleged 'Allah' only wants 'death' to these nations. What happens if excuse the pun, 'God forbid' they would succeed? What would be their cry then, 'Akbar China, Akbar Russia' i.e. 'Death to China, Death to Russia.'

So what'll we have, 'Evil Fighter # 1's 'God' wants him to fight evil that just so happens makes men like him very rich.

Evil Fighter # 2's God aka Allah just wants him to savagely kill because we won't submit to such a 'killer god.'

Wow and through it all, the atheist is just glad he doesn't believe in either.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 05:48 PM
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12. You can just imagine the scene where God comes down, with questions . . .
where do they hide the bodies?
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