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JABBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 05:20 PM
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Are The Terrorists Winning?
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Guest column (on JABBS): Are The Terrorists Winning?

It's a question that has to be answered, unfortunately.

And it pains me to say this. And it angers me to say this.

It's now been five years since Sept. 11, 2001, and each year I feel its an anniversary I seem to dislike more and more, because I see just how far our country has come since that period five years ago when it seemed like all Americans were united in spirit, despite the tragedy, and now, because I see how unfortunately divided we are, how disrespected and loathed we are by much of the rational, free-thinking world, how inept and impotent we seem in the face of danger, how fearful we have grown as a common people....
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 05:23 PM
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1. They've won and already sent their team home
They don't need to ever launch another terrorist attack on the US again. The damage has already been done.

This is not the USA in which I grew up. Our carefree nature and many of our civil liberties are gone. They won't return without an extremely difficult struggle.

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 05:24 PM
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2. The terrorist are winning
Why: because we allow the government to keep us in fear constantly. Fear is the no 1 tactic used by the terrorist.

bu$h and his regime are helping the terrorist win!
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JABBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:02 PM
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8. So it's more that the terrorists are benefiting?
With true leadership, we'd have a different attitude -- a worldwide fight against the bad guys.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 05:28 PM
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3. Clearly, they aren't.
They only got off one attack. Although, since they shouldn't have even been able to get that attack off, 9/11 could be described as a win. But, given the desire for a Peral Harbor style attack by BushCo, I'd describe the success of the 9/11 attacks as more of a "gimme".

Sure, they are recruiting and are probably having an easy time with it thanks to Bush's wars, but I don't think they will ever be able to hit us here in the US.

And I don't even think they are focused enough to set into motion a radical Islamic government in Iraq. Right now, its just mayhem. Granted, that's all terrorists seem to want (if you buy into RW thinking), but I don't think they will ever fully set the agenda they claim to be working towards.



I think its actually a very Republican tactic to suggest that the terrorists are winning. They want people to feel at risk, so that they won't take time to stop and think rationally.


I contend that the "terrorists" are not winning.

But Bush's lax stance on anti-terrorism measures and his failure to start up any global, coopoerative anti-terror efforts doesn't hurt...
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 06:11 PM
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6. Next go around it will prolly be 19 Iraqis who make a move, now
wouldn't that just frost you??
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 05:29 PM
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4. Thoughts of September, 2000...
While the "pundits" say 9/11/01 changed everything, I suggest that it was 12/2/2000...the day the Supreme Court over-stepped their authority and took the election away from Al Gore.

Looking back 6 years almost seems surreal. Gas was still $1.25 a gallon, the market was expected to top 11,000, the NASDAQ was still near the 5,000 mark and people were more concerned about moving up to their next job than finding one to replace their current one. One could travel the world and not be ashamed to be an American or turn on a Presidential news conference and not shudder in both embarassment and disgust. Seems like a different lifetime on a different planet.

Let's say that the terrorist won on 12/2/2000...and haven't let up since. And these terrorists don't live in caves...right now they're squatting on property you and I pay for in Washington.
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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 05:30 PM
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5. How much better it would have been.........
to send a massive amount of troops to Afghanistan ,crushed the taliban, and came home victorious!!!!!
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 06:22 PM
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7. Yes and no
The PNAC cabal succeeded in terrorizing this nation for several years, but people seem to be wising up to their tactics now.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:04 PM
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9. Yes. the George W. *bush cabal IS winning.
:shrug:
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CarlVK Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:04 PM
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10. As long as Republicans prevail, yes.
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JABBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:11 PM
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12. well, let's make sure they don't prevail
:)
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:08 PM
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11. If you have time, read Tom Rick's book "Fiasco"
This is the best book I have ever read on the Iraq war, and aftewards, I was totally convinced there is no possibility in the world that the US will ever "win" this war. We are throwing good money after bad, destroying lives, blowing up precious men and women in our military, destroying our reputation everywhere on the planet--for nothing. When all is said and done, a trillion dollars will have been wasted.
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JABBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 09:46 AM
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14. thanks
I've heard a lot of good things about that book.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-13-06 09:20 PM
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13. A prerequisite question is: What is the terrorists objective?
Edited on Wed Sep-13-06 09:31 PM by baldguy
Al Queda's goal is exactly the same as the GOP's goal: to instill & foster an overwhelming sense of fear in the American population.
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