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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 06:33 AM
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GOP Leaders Back Bush on Wiretapping, Tribunals - WTF!!
Edited on Thu Sep-14-06 06:39 AM by Ian_rd
GOP Leaders Back Bush on Wiretapping, Tribunals
Congress's Republican leadership yesterday threw its weight behind two of President Bush's most controversial national security programs, warrantless wiretapping and extrajudicial military tribunals.

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With prodding from Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.), the Senate Judiciary Committee voted 10 to 8 along party lines to approve a bill negotiated with the White House to allow -- but not require -- Bush to submit the National Security Agency's warrantless wiretapping program to a secret court for constitutional review.

"The committee took the important step of acknowledging the president's constitutional authority to conduct foreign intelligence surveillance," said Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.), an ardent Bush ally.

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This isn't one of those "Hmmmm, now what did the Founding Fathers intend?" The fucking Bill of Rights is perfectly clear on this point!

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Where the fuck am I? Who the fuck are these people? Can the Republicans truly be so anti-American to want Bush to be able to search and seize without a warrant? Yes, they must be, because they keep characterizing the issue as whether or not Bush should be able to spy on terrorists, completely avoiding the warrant issue. This is a goddamn lie and they must know it. Let's consider Bush's actions logically. There are only a few possible reasons why Bush would NOT want to obey the Constitution and FISA law by getting warrants:

1. He thinks the FISA courts have been infiltrated by terrorist elements or terrorist appeasers.

2. He frequently has to act at a moment's notice and his legal team keeps forgetting that they can get warrants 72 hours after spying operations have started.

3. He considers himself above the law and believes that this supposed time of war gives him unlimited power. And therefore why should he have to obey such silly "democratic" niceties?

4. He doesn't want the courts, not even secret courts, to see who he's spying on. Meaning: He has something to hide.

If you picked 3 and/or 4, I agree with you. We all know Bush has a teensy problem with people within his administration leaking information to the press after their conscience gets the better of them (the "better" of them indeed). It's leaks from within that have shed light his many unconstitutional actions - warrantless spying, phone records, torture in foreign secret prisons, and God knows how many WMD related leaks. And if Bush can spy on his own people and the press to prevent his crimes from becoming discovered, wouldn't he want to do that?

And, hey, why not spy on the Democrats too? After all, don't Cheney and Rumsfeld believe that they're aiding terrorists with their criticism?


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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 06:34 AM
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1. Sing this from the rafters and watch The People vote out The Republicans!
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 06:59 AM
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10. What they will be singing is how safe they are thanks to King George
Americans willingness to give up their rights for a false feeling of security has become epidemic.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:01 AM
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16. No, I believe the opposite. It's human to want liberty ...
Soon it will be "Give me Liberty or Give me Death!"

Don't get down just because all those whackko Right Wingers call into C-SPAN's Washington Journal. They're like Parrots trained by Turd Blossom. It's obvious even to those who are not obsessed with politics. ;)
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:07 AM
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17. Time will tell, let's talk after the election. n/t
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:36 AM
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21. Good. And I don't think you would fault me for hoping that I'm right :-)
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:38 AM
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22. Oh no, and I applaud your optimisim. However, I don't think it is
well founded and quite honestly I hope I am wrong.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 06:36 AM
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2. What Buddies Boy George Has! They Don't Want Him Alone
in the Hague, so they're going to commit war crimes with him!
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 06:39 AM
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3. Traitors to the republic.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 06:40 AM
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4. Eight more names to add to the impeachment list for failures
...to uphold the constitution of the United States of America
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 06:42 AM
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5. SECRET COURT?
Oh fuck, what the hell have the Repukes done to us....
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:21 AM
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11. turned us into a dictatorship?
:puke: :cry:
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 06:47 AM
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6. Shine bright spotlights on this misguided legislation
it illuminates all that is wrong with Republicans.

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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 06:48 AM
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7. They have to back the guy. They've built their political fortunes
sucking up to them, now they're screwed. Plus they see this as a way maintain political domination for a long time to come. The perfect tools to spy on their enemies all right. That's you and me and everyone else right here. They can't afford an investigation of the bush** administration, that would expose too damn much corruption in their party. After all, isn't the pResident the head of the repub party? Figuratively at least?

No, it's going to be a very ugly fall. And it is no exaggeration to say that it's a fight for the principals that made this country great. And for democracy (as much as we've ever had a democratic government that is).
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 06:53 AM
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8. This seals it, rethugs
are TRAITORS to the Constitution and the People! As if we didn't already know this.
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yy4me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 06:57 AM
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9. Regardless of the fact that over 50% of the American people
disapprove of Bush and his agenda, they have done this? I guess it is no surprise but it sure smacks of contempt for the American people. Our party members should be out of the steps of the Capitol building screaming about this at the top of their lungs. It is just one more step in our ever-eroding rights battle. Good grief, will it ever end?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 07:54 AM
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12. The Rubberplicans
The rubber stamp republicans = the Rubberplicans
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:18 AM
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13. They are desperate to stave off impeachment by legalizing his crimes
Bush is also trying to legalize all the sections of the Geneva conventions that he has violated in the last 5 years...
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:21 AM
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14. FILIBUSTER!!
This is worthy of a filibuster. Anyone willing to pass this legislation is condoning warrantless wiretapping and torture and indefinite confinement without access to counsel.

I DARE "Centrists" to not agree to this filibuster....
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:30 AM
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20. I think you've got something there. Which Democratic Senators are most
capable of the kind of histrionics Jimmy Stewart delivered in "Mr Smith goes to Washington"? Ted Kennedy? Barak Obama?
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:52 AM
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24. And what should they read during their Filibuster?
I propose reading the Constitution and Bill of Rights over and again. Or maybe just the 4th-6th Amendments.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 11:29 AM
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25. Chapter 4 of George Orwell's "1984" is quite relevant, along with GOP
pollster Frank Luntz's amazing Ju;y 2004 interview on PBS. In that amazing interview, he appears to confess to David Brancaccio that he has used Orwell's book as a Republican political manual, to his and his party's great profit! See http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript327_full.html , and any of the many full-text online editions of Orwell's book.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 08:22 AM
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15. Scary F * * king Shit !
I would rather us be attacked several times than to surrender our Constitution and our liberties. Unfortunately, the Democrats are silent to a large degree because they are afraid we may get hit again when they regain power, therefore, they have to support this fascist bullshit. Well, kiss my ass! Let us be hit but, by God, do not surrender our Bill of Rights. Denounce this son of a bitch!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:11 AM
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18. They want to spy on Democrats for political reasons.
This must be filibustered.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:14 AM
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19. Diebold finished the vote counts - they can afford it!
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:44 AM
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23. They hate us for our freedoms
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-14-06 10:42 PM
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26. We need to get these fascists out of power...
Nov can't get here soon enough.
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