We must find the anthrax killer BEFORE the 2008 elections.

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I was just reading a DU thread about the Volunteer Service and the collective belief is that there's a draft coming around the corner. That's when it dawned on me that there's only two things that would make that a foregone conclusion:

(1) If we vote in a Democratic candidate who is in favor of this war; and/or,

(2) We have clandestine operatives within our own government who will create scenarios that will force the next president, Democratic or Republican, to escalate military action.

And we must have those operatives working within our own government already, or we would have exposed those responsible for the anthrax by now.

Armed with the awareness of how these things escalate, how would an elected Democratic president go about removing careeriest from sensitive agencies which may be working at cross purposes to solve our global problems in a peaceful way? Just off the top of my head, we're looking at major changes in the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, State Department, Energy Department, NSA, the Commerce Department and the Department of Interior.

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1. I just don't think Rove is gonna confess before then. (nt)

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4. I think the key to impeachment as well as taking criminal action against

political advisors like Rove, is to keep reminding everyone that if we don't hold them accountable, it means we'll get stuck on the course they laid out for us and the draft is one of many undesirable products.

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2. I wouldn't call them clandestine, it is known that 25 men led us to war

I would start with these 25

Friedman laughs: I could give you the names of 25 people (all of whom are at this moment within a five-block radius of this office) who, if you had exiled them to a desert island a year and a half ago, the Iraq war would not have happened.

The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history. Two of them, journalists William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer, say it's possible. But another journalist, Thomas Friedman (not part of the group), is skeptical

1. The doctrine

WASHINGTON - At the conclusion of its second week, the war to liberate Iraq wasn't looking good. Not even in Washington. The assumption of a swift collapse of the Saddam Hussein regime had itself collapsed. The presupposition that the Iraqi dictatorship would crumble as soon as mighty America entered the country proved unfounded. The Shi'ites didn't rise up, the Sunnis fought fiercely. Iraqi guerrilla warfare found the American generals unprepared and endangered their overextended supply lines. Nevertheless, 70 percent of the American people continued to support the war; 60 percent thought victory was certain; 74 percent expressed confidence in President George W. Bush.

Washington is a small city. It's a place of human dimensions. A kind of small town that happens to run an empire. A small town of government officials and members of Congress and personnel of research institutes and journalists who pretty well all know one another. Everyone is busy intriguing against everyone else; and everyone gossips about everyone else.

In the course of the past year, a new belief has emerged in the town: the belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was disseminated by a small group of 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of them Jewish, almost all of them intellectuals (a partial list: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Eliot Abrams, Charles Krauthammer), people who are mutual friends and cultivate one another and are convinced that political ideas are a major driving force of history. They believe that the right political idea entails a fusion of morality and force, human rights and grit. The philosophical underpinnings of the Washington neoconservatives are the writings of Machiavelli, Hobbes and Edmund Burke. They also admire Winston Churchill and the policy pursued by Ronald Reagan. They tend to read reality in terms of the failure of the 1930s (Munich) versus the success of the 1980s (the fall of the Berlin Wall).

(more)

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=280279&contrassID=2&subContrassID=14&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

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5. Well, maybe we should begin talking about war tribunals.

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7. exile them to a desert island...

the fletcher memorial home for colonial wasters of life and limb,

is everyone in?

now the final solution can be applied.


pink floyd/the final cut

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3. Dust in the wind

literally

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6. Can you clarify what you mean by "careeriest "?

I think you have two groups of people right now...

1. Party Hacks - Republican Party hacks in positions in which they are not qualified for, they have never had training or even practiced what they are in charge of. Brownie comes to mind, Chertoff....:grr:

2. Professionals - People who have actually chosen their field or career, people who are clearly qualified for their positions but are stifled by the Party hacks from successfully performing the true duties of their positions regardless of politics...

For example Bunnatine Greenhouse who was demoted from her position for trying to point out all of the bloated no-bid contracts for Halliburton.
http://www.democracyarsenal.org/2005/08/iraq_whistleblo.html

We need to bring professionals like her back into government to fix the fuck up this administration has put in place...

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Okay, here's the thing...

I've been thinking about the Department of Interior, and it occurred to me that it doesn't matter who's president, Republican or Democratic, the corruption continues. I think we might make a mistake by assuming that only Bush appointees are causing the problem. I think Republican bosses are just faciliators in a corruption scheme that has been going on since these agencies became established. So, my litmus test to determine if someone should stay or go, is this: If you're a whistleblower, or have all the characteristics of a whistle blower, you stay. Everybody else turn in your letters of resignation.

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8. self-deleted for duplication

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9. Anyone find it curious that the Anthrax mailings were dated 9-11?

It has been proved beyond doubt that the strain was US and had to have originated within the USA. I believe this is just too much of a coincidence to be swept under the rug..

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10. Look at post 15 on this thread for exact dates:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2115810

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11. Look in the White House....

I think these fascists did it.

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13. What did they know, and when did they know it?

That never seems to get old whenever Republicans are in power.

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12. Ask Jerome Hauer

I'm sure he knows.

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14. Lots on Hauer on the internet

http://www.911review.org/Sept11Wiki/Hauer,Jerome.shtml

Do you have some short notes?

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15. Here's the cliff notes version

of what I know so far.

Hauer was the force behind Rudy Giuliani's OEM bunker in WTC 7. The bunker required major renovations to WTC 7, which included the install of numerous fuel tanks, generators and pressurized fuel lines. The fuel lines and some of the tanks were placed on the 5th Floor directly under the trusses and transfer beams. The 5th Floor failed 1st on 9-11.

Hauer was also the man who 'engineered' John O'Neill's new job has head of WTC Security. On 9-10 Haurer and O'Neill had dinner together in NYC. On 9-11 O'Neill started his new job. O'Neill died in the collapse and Hauer was the one that found his body.

Coincidentally, Hauer had just started his own new job at NIH under Tommy Thompson and was the one who warned the WH to start taking Cipro on 9-11.

Hauer was also good friends with Stephen Hatfield.

Is that enough dots for you?

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16. Who confirmed the remains of John O'Neill?

Did he have close relatives who could identify him?

Yes, I agree with you that Hauer is one degree away from too many key people.

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17. That's one of those 9-11 mysteries

Hauer has claimed to have been the one who found the body and identified him. He didn't want his family to see him because his injuries were so horrible. Yeah, right.

There were at least a couple of convenient deaths at the WTC that morning.

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18. I've mentioned this before, and O'Neill faithfuls on DU challenged me.

But, didn't he carelessly lose a briefcase in a Tampa hotel about a month or two before 9/11? And didn't that briefcase contain sensitive security information regarding New York's Emergency plan, in case of a terrorist attack? And didn't those plans turn up in a hotel room, "untouched?" Doesn't that sound crazy as shit?

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19. Why did someone tell the press about it?

These guys were all spooks, that's not the sort of thing they would normally go to the press with. Unless, it was a set up to get rid of him, or a set up to give him a cover story for his 'demise'. I'm not sure which, yet?

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20. So we don't know if O'Neil is a good guy or a bad guy?

If he's dead, he's a good guy? If he's not, he might not be?

Like things aren't complicated enough already.

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21. It's so hard to figure out who are the good guys

and who are the bad guys anymore.

However, there is one person who knows for sure and that is Jerome Haurer. He's definitely one of the key 'stage managers'. I'd love to know what he was really doing at the WTC on 9-11 because he no longer worked for Rudy or the OEM and has never explained much about what exactly he was doing that day.

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22. Strange how he seems to have fallen through the cracks of public

attention. Or, atleast, MSM attention.