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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:16 PM
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Republicans catching up - Zogby
From Political Wire

Poll Shows Strong Republican Gains

Following an "aggressive media blitz," a new Zogby poll "finds the standing of President Bush and congressional Republicans climbing as the November elections rapidly approach."

"The poll contains good news for congressional Republicans battling a strong Democratic push to retake the House and Senate. While Republican congressional candidates trailed their Democratic counterparts in the 'generic ballot' question by a 39% to 31% margin a month ago, today they have whittled the Democrats’ lead to just three points, 37% to 34%."

"The poll does, however, suggest a Democratic strategy of “nationalizing” the mid-term elections has succeeded, with 71% of respondents in the poll saying their vote this fall will be driven by national, rather than local, issues. But voters planning on casting ballots for Republicans are more likely than those voting for Democrats to say they are casting their ballot based on national issues by a 79% to 69% margin."

Please note other recent polls show Democrats with double-digit leads in the generic congressional ballot.

Link: http://politicalwire.com/
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Sapere aude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:18 PM
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1. "aggressive media blitz," Hell they own the media, aggressive propaganda
blitz is more like it. The rethugs tell lies and the MSM reports them as the truth and people believe them.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:19 PM
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2. Zogby...YOU ARE A WHORE!
This "new" revelation is laughable.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:21 PM
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4. Such Bullshit ... Part of the 20 Million, our Propaganda tax dollars
at work for the RNC Junta!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:07 PM
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19. Wow
Bad news = Zogby is a whore?

Not really. He's pretty much the most reliable guy out there.
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johnnyburma Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 04:53 PM
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25. Really?
Go back and look and his calls in the state elections in '04. They sucked. He was the most inaccurate of the major pollsters.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 06:40 PM
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28. Says who?
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:21 PM
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3. Same poll has Bush "climbing" to 39%
Wheeeeeeeeeeee!!!!! Feel the Bush Bounce!!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:24 PM
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5. oh yeah zogby gotta say that for the stealing of election again..
right Mr Zogby??

well we are onto you and the pissy pants cabal zogby...we know the game!! game up!!!!!!!!!!!..

fly
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:31 PM
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6. I wonder what PLANET Zogby is polling at?
Take a look at this...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=a5zS1ZWR__O4

Bloomberg certainly doesn't see it that way.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:32 PM
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7. Faux this a.m. was blathering about how the polls were
Edited on Fri Sep-15-06 12:35 PM by lyonn
tightening with full blown arrogance. Why I stopped at Faux was only because they were quoting polls. Well that didn't start my day of very well.

Someone here has already explained who owns the media that screws with peoples mind and leads them to believe that repubs are good for us vs. dems are weak on the evil doers. So true.

If you read or watch what is really happening around the world, just a little bit, you would know you are being lied to.

Our troops are being used in Iraq for a republican cause, plain and simple.

hell, there was a time, most of my life, that I voted repub. and sometimes dem., but never had the truth been so obvious as now that repubs are greedy, lying sobs.

Edit: The repubs lie right along with these repub polls.
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 12:36 PM
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8. The gap always closes.........
Edited on Fri Sep-15-06 01:12 PM by springhill
the closer you get to the election. However, in this case, they need to get it close enough so that when the election is stolen they can explain it away.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 01:04 PM
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9. I Assume You Meant "Gap", But Gas May Have Something to do With It Too
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 01:13 PM
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13. Yes, and thank you.
The post has been edited to the correct spelling.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 01:05 PM
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10. Thanks To ABC's Free 4-Hour Advertisement for the GOP
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 01:05 PM
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11. who did not expect a bounce from "Terra Week"?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 01:06 PM
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12. does anyone think these polls are fixed to give the impression
Edited on Fri Sep-15-06 01:17 PM by alyce douglas
to people that people actually approve of Bush's job performance. This is such BS.
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infogirl Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 01:16 PM
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14. One pollster caught in FBI sting!!!
The owner of DataUSA Inc., a company that conducted political polls for the campaigns of President Bush, Sen. Joe Lieberman and other candidates, pleaded guilty to fraud for making up survey and poll results.

Tracy Costin pleaded guilty Wednesday to one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud. Costin, 46, faces a maximum of five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000 when she is sentenced Nov. 30.

(snip)

FBI Special Agent Jeff Rovelli said 50 percent of information compiled by DataUSA and transmitted to Bush's campaign was falsified, the Connecticut Post reported Thursday.


now....go to clint curtis and learn how he was asked to create electronic voting software...to flip a 49 - 51% race....so you see they have been using the phrase...catching up....and it is so close...and you wake up and it is the other guy..and it was so close...bullshit I say! The people are not voting for this shit....and they have been lying about polls to make you think half of the people are voting for this shit. Dems are wayyyyyy ahead...but they will NEVER say that...cuz they are cheating at the "electronic ballot box" that is virtual only....as the touchscreens have no paper ballot or "trail". So of course you will be hearing how the polls have the repubs moving up....now you know what we have....work from here.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 01:25 PM
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15. Nothing new
1 Republicans have clearly shown they are good at campaining

2 The American public has shown they have long term memory problems

3 The media has no ability to focus on real issues and framing actual news items

4 People are truly afraid of the strawman democrat that has been created by Republicans over the past 25 years.

It's the same crap over and over again.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 02:40 PM
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16. I've said it before and now again.
Reid and Pelosi are clueless about leadership. Election leader disasters. They both talk like two hippies at a love in, instead of two generals who kick ass.

All I can say is :puke: and :puke:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:02 PM
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17. And so it starts..
Edited on Fri Sep-15-06 03:03 PM by SoCalDem
For the rest of the political "season", this will be the theme..

watch for these phrases:

they're gaining...
it's getting close
they're making up ground
they're re-claiming their base
the dems are stumbling
the dems have failed to close the deal
razor thin margins
within the margin of error

etc
etc

the reason these are important?


The "votes" are probably already IN the "machines"...

The number of registered voters, and their party afiliation are KNOWNS..all they need to factor in is the turnout number.

Once they have that., it's just a matter of allocating the "extras" who show up..

more show up?...just add them to the "winner's column"
fewer show up?...subtract them from the dem candidate or divide them between the "third party" candidates..

there are no more exit polls (we accepted that one, remember?..)

There will be no demonstrations...like there never are..

people will accept it, and the explanation will be "well . in the final stretch, the republicans made up ground...it was in all the papers...wern't you paying attentioon?"...

and so it goes
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:17 PM
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23. Yes, it's so f***ing predictable.
How long is it going to take people to realize we need to clean up the elections process? How long till they figure out that they've been fooled for years now?

Because I *do* think people are slowly figuring it out... but slooooooowly.

It's just like gay marriage -- as far as I'm concerned it's a totally inevitable thing to happen, and it will happen, but damn, what's taking people so long to wake up??
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SoyCat Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 05:00 PM
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26. I hate to say it but I only know (IRL) a handful of people who actually
believe either election was stolen. Far too many people simply refuse to allow themselves to believe that our country has fallen to that level. I think the almost total lack of media coverage/discussion has only reinforced their belief.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 06:26 PM
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27. You know, I don't "know" if the second election was stolen...
I'm just a person at home with a computer -- I can only know what I read on the intermittently reliable internets.

But I *DO* absolutely believe that election fraud is totally possible, and that's enough for me. If it's possible and we make no efforts to stop it, it will happen, sooner or later. It could easily have happened already, and that's a freaking travesty.
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:05 PM
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18. We need a coherent and simple message: Shell Game!

While the White House and its minions (as on Fox News) push the War on Terror as a way of framing (i.e., "hiding") the Iraq issue for the election, we need people to bring it out of hiding.

Here's one basic approach (I'm sure there are many others):

"Republicans and the administration don't want to run on the mess they made in Iraq, so like a magician they try to distract our attention by covering it under the umbrella of 'A War on Terror,' thereby hiding their blunders from the conception to the execution of the war, from WMD's and Sadam-terrorist's links to the civil war which is now in full progress. It's a GIANT SHELL GAME dreamed up by Rove. We need solutions, not PR tricks or a magician's slight of hand."

Why can't we frame a message simply and compellingly in order to bounce these jokers. Almost all of the important facts are on our side, especially since the Republicians and the administration has been such an obvious failure by almost all standards?
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:25 PM
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24. "They dress up the pig and want us to marry it."
One-liner message dedicated to Ann Richards (RIP).
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:08 PM
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20. And this is why I say, we will not make any gains
and will have all the excuses of why we didn't

Oh and I'll be glad to eat that humble pie in november if I am wrong, in fact am looking forwards to eathing it...
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:08 PM
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21. Why should I believe polls? Who's paying for them? Who owns them?
Who are they asking? I haven't been polled by Zogby in a long time.
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 03:09 PM
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22. Republican Voters Dismayed by Biggest Spending Rise Since 1990
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=a5zS1ZWR__O4

By Brian Faler

Sept. 15 (Bloomberg) -- Republican voters are angry, not for the first time, at big-spending politicians in Washington. This year, their wrath is aimed at their own party.

The Republican-controlled Congress heads into the Nov. 7 elections having increased federal spending this year by 9 percent -- the most since 1990 -- to about $2.7 trillion, according to projections from the White House Office of Management and Budget. The agency estimates government spending will grow to 20.6 percent of gross domestic product in 2006 from 18.5 percent when President George W. Bush took office in 2001.

``We've strayed a long way from the principles the party was founded upon,'' said Representative Jeff Flake, an Arizona Republican.

Republicans need a big turnout by their core supporters if they are to avoid losing their majorities in the House of Representatives and, possibly, the Senate. Whit Ayres, a Republican pollster, said those core supporters are the very voters who are most likely to be angered by the increased spending, and who may stay home in protest.

``It's one of a handful of reasons why Republicans are discouraged,'' Ayres said. ``I don't know what you can say that will mollify the Republican base on this subject. You're better off talking to them about other subjects.''




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