A fellow Liberal said something profound today during Chimpy's meltdown...

[RagAss]

We were listening at work. We should have had classic rock on instead, but being the Liberal gluttons for punishment that we are, we tuned in to the nutjob in chief and his compliant corporate supporting cast - the media. I shook my head at one point and said "mark my words, they'll be rounding us up before long". Without lifting her head from the paperwork she was filling out my co-worker said "so what have we done to make them think they can't get away with it?"........

I didn't have an answer.

[tech3149]

1. It doesn't matter what you've done

We're approaching the point of thought crimes. I'm sorry to say that I'm an armed lberal and thankful for it.

[The Traveler]

2. Precious little

Disturbing, isn't it? This used to be a free country ... one wonders if that can still be said. Time will tell.

[RagAss]

3. This is not the country I was born in.....not even close.

[AndyTiedye]

4. Because We Already Tried Every Way We Know To Stop Them And Failed

[tomreedtoon]

17. Yeah. We took dramatic steps. We posted...here.

We talked to each other about how awful things are. We couldn' talk to ordinary citizens or people who voted for Bush, no...that would be too depressing and it would be pointless, right?

We created longer and longer posts and got everyone to type "K&R" to our scholarly excoriations of why Bush was wrong. They were unreadable to the average citizen and seemed self-serving, and they didn't get the message out to the people who needed to know, but who cares? We were doing our part.

We continued our acceptance of the people who had lost the last couple of elections. It was entirely voter fraud and Diebold that caused them to lose. Perhaps the Democratic candidates could have had unbeatable majorities, despite the voter fraud, if they had really appealed to causes Americans could understand. Maybe they could have done better if they immediately shot down Swift Boat and other attacks, but our candidates were too polite to respond when someone punched them in the crotch, weren't they?

Oh, yes. We worked our way into a tizzy. We worked harder. We didn't need to work smarter, right?

[AndyTiedye]

24. Your Post is Grossly Unfair to DU'ers

We couldn' talk to ordinary citizens or people who voted for Bush, no...

Where are they? I only found one. He watches Fauxnews, of course, and has ingested far too much Koolade to be dissuaded.

didn't get the message out to the people who needed to know, but who cares? We were doing our part.

Just how DO we get the message out to people who get all their information from the Rethuglican-controlled TV networks?

We continued our acceptance of the people who had lost the last couple of elections. It was entirely voter fraud and Diebold that caused them to lose. Perhaps the Democratic candidates could have had unbeatable majorities, despite the voter fraud,

There is no such thing as a fraud-proof majority. If 2004 didn't prove that, what happened to the reform initiatives in Ohio in 2005 surely did.

if they had really appealed to causes Americans could understand.

He did. Unfortunately, in mediablackoutland, nobody can hear you appeal to anything.

Maybe they could have done better if they immediately shot down Swift Boat and other attacks, but our candidates were too polite to respond when someone punched them in the crotch, weren't they?

Kerry would have had to blow his entire budget in August to do that. Then he would have been out of money for the final stretch.
Blatant electioneering by the TV networks gives the Republicans the equivalent of an unlimited budget, outside of all campaign finance controls.

They also have all the right-wing churches openly electioneering for the Republicans, while the slightest hint of anything political in a sermon by a liberal church brings an immediate investigation by the IRS.

Did I mention the voting machinez? That is why our situation is even worse this year, despite better polling numbers.
Thousands of new Diebold Republican Electing machinez have been deployed to Help America Vote Republican.

[LuckyLib]

5. I want a 3 million person march on Washington. I"ll be there.

That'll get someone's attention that we're not the sheeple they think we are!

[niallmac]

8. It really has come down to that.

Comfortably learning about the American Revolution in class as a kid and wondering
what that must have been like to drop your responsibilities to your family to fight
for something you knew was too important to ignore.

It is harder now in these times of luxury and distraction but the
time is upon us. We either resist or god help us.

[RagAss]

18. I'll be there with ya......

[Wiley50]

28. We HAVE HAD 3 milion people March

Remember the marches in protest before the Iraq war?

Or how about the Reptilian Convention in NY in '04?

Or the inaugural protests in both '00 and '04

Or the ANSWER and UPJ protests?

or the Women's March?

Of course you can't.
Because the media blackout machine barely covered them

I guess you just had to be there

[irislake]

6. I am Canadian.

I just cannot believe how meekly you are accepting what has
happened and what will happen next. I suppose it is partly
because the Democrats are such wimps that you can't depend on
them for help. It is difficult to get organized when the
corporate media supports your government. But you have the
internet. Do something! Your political situation is
terrifying. The other scary thing is the issue of global
warming. I am in my late 60s and live out in the country.
Changes I have seen in one year tell me it is too late to save
the planet already. I feel grief for my children and
grandchildren and have not told them of my pessimism. We
should be marching in the streets about the global warming.
The pentagon said last year or the year before that global
warming was far more dangerous than terrorists. People all
over the world should be after their politicians considering
the urgency. As for Americans? To hell with it. I would damn
well get out of the country while the going is good. No
starry-eyed patriotism for me. How can you condone what your
government is doing? Those guys are spine-tinglingly evil. My
family came over, one branch, second ship after the Mayflower
and both sides of my family have gone back and forth across
the border ever since. No big deal. My mother was American my
son lives in Texas. There's nothing wrong with leaving in
disgust. If I had draft age kids? Whooosh! I'd be outta there!

[RagAss]

9. I feel your passion, but I'm confused by your advice....

Should we use the internet and protest ("Do Something!")?....or Get the hell out of the country?

[tnlefty]

10. Welcome to DU, irislake!

I'm curious as to what you think will happen next. I've been anxious for quite some time, but I would like to see your perspective. Under no circumstances do I condone what this government is doing and it truly disgusts and sickens me - death and destruction for profit is truly evil to me.

Please keep in mind that not everyone can afford to leave and my spouse won't even consider it.

A neighbor who for the past 4 yrs. or so seemed to think that I was an alarmist, called the other day and the first words from her mouth were, "Well I guess you know we truly live in a police state now." I couldn't believe it because she had always seemed to think that I was being an alarmist and she was very dismissive.

Welcome, and I apologize for the rambling. :hi:

edit: typo

[irislake]

14. What do I think will happen next?

First I have to state that I think the Bush government was complicit in the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Never mind whether the WTC towers were brought down by explosives or what hit the Pentagon. Just look at what all the important members of the government were doing as the attacks went forward. Bush knew the first plane had hit the first tower before he went into his photo op. The fact that the Secret Service didn't whisk him to safety is very damning. Then he lied and said he had no idea it was a terrorist attack. "Must have been some awful flier or pilot." Oh sure after all that "chatter" and all those warnings he didn't clue in till Andy Card gave him the word. Then he flew around petrified because the fourth plane didn't hit the Capitol Building and kill a lot of Democrats and Republicans so that they could declare martial law and bring in the shadow government they had all ready to take over. They had to do some quick thinking. Hence the Anthrax kept the Capital building out of bounds and caused confusion. Time for them to try to get their lies sorted out and accepted. So he flew around for hours while they tried to calm him and concoct their lies. Rummy sat in the Pentagon chatting to somebody and they weren't even curious enough to go watch TV although the entire rest of the world was doing that. Just business as usual while a jet flew towards Washington. I believe there are anti-aircraft guns on the roof of the Pentagon. Duh! Jeeze I wonder if I should be doing anything else but sit on my hands? Never mind the F16s that were sitting at Andrews Airforce Base. Meyers also sat chatting with somebody, just business as usual. Cheney's behaviour was equally odd. In England Tony Blair dropped everything immediately and went to make a speech to the country while your government was still doing the sitting on their hands bit. I will never understand why the whole bunch of them were not made to account for what they didn't do while the attacks went forward. There would have been hell to pay in Canada if our politicians had failed to act like that. But then we are mean to our politicians. We are not in awe of our leaders. I won't go into all the other evidence that 9/11 was either organized by the Bush government or permitted to happen. The evidence is overwhelming. So given that what do you think I think will happen next? It will be interesting that's for sure. But you can see what is being prepared can you not? And it is NOT good! However, I find it hard to believe that the military, pissed off as they are, would turn against Americans. Time will tell.

[Straight Shooter]

11. Greetings across the border.

I don't have links handy but a little research will divulge who owns the media outlets and thereby squelches the voices of the Democrats.

Americans aren't a very rowdy bunch about protecting their rights, that's true, but when we finally get it together, when an overwhelming majority understands what is at stake, it's not exactly like a tsunami, it's more like an ocean of resentment that rises and rises and rises and finally removes the offensive perpetrators in a cleansing flood.

Stick around, read lots of threads, and you'll discover all sorts of ways we're hell-bent on changing what's happening.

Agreed on the global warming issue.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[area51]

12. Welcome.

Welcome to DU, irislake. Like your son, I live in Texas. I wish I could get a job in Canada & move there.

[porkrind]

13. Welcome to DU.

Don't you have a right-wing nutjob (Harper) for Prime Minister? Sounds like you have your own problems.

[irislake]

15. Harper?

It's a minority government. That's what most of us wanted. We wanted to teach the Liberals a lesson.Not me I voted NDP. We are waiting now for the Liberals to choose a leader and get organized. He doesn't dare get too far out of line. Most of us don't like the fact that he approves of Bush and is a Neo-Con and has committed more troops to Afghanistan. Even worse his policies on global warming. Hopefully he will be Raptured up soon. He's a true believer. He can't do much damage. I'm surprised he has got so far but when he shows his true colours? That'll be the end of him.

[alittlelark]

7. A wise woman I'd like to have around me

When the shit hits the fan.

[The Backlash Cometh]

16. Isn't that the truth.

It's almost like they're fully expecting a total revolution. That's why Bush and his gang spend more time building prisons, improving riot gear and shoring up the martial laws, instead of actually spending money on social programs.

[AndyTiedye]

26. That's What Those New Air Force Weapons Are For

[Marr]

19. Are you kidding? If they put all the liberals in camps,

the country's GNP would be $3.99.

[w4rma]

20. That is one reason I oppose any and all additional national gun control.nt

[CarlVK]

21. I've said this until I'm blue in the face...

Legal talk. Legal action. Wanna know what strikes serious fear into rampaging political nutcases? "Subpeona". "Indictment". "Grand Jury". "Impeachment".

This is why it's not merely a good idea, but crucial that the Democrats in Congress vigorously pursue a legal case against Bush and his co-criminals. And dont let up. Commit to it. Sink your teeth into their legs and hang on like a rabid pitbull.

All else is theater.

[RagAss]

23. Some have tried...I believe they meet in a basement room somewhere

[RagAss]

27. it's a congressional minority thing......no media....no support....

ask Rep.Conyers about trying to do something....

[malaise]

22. That is profound

although people have been increasingly speaking out.

[Cha]

25. Let them try..that's when

the revolution starts.