Televised Debate (Allen-R - Maccaca vs Webb - D - War Hero)

[demnan]

Televised debate on Meet the Press of the Virginia Senate Candidates. Go here to find out when it views in your area.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080248/

Virginia was supposed to be a shoo-in for Allen, but now he is struggling and Webb has taken the lead, according to some polls.

[Danger Mouse]

1. Go Webb!

Kick out that bigot!
:kick:

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

54. Colbert on Allen's "Ethnics" MUST SEE!

With opponents like Allen, Webb is hopefully a shoe-in! Crooks and Liars has the video (as always! :))

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/17/colbert-report-senator-allen-and-his-ethnic-friends/

Colbert Report: Senator Allen and His Ethnic Friends
By: John Amato @ 6:05 AM - PDT



Colbert reports on Senator George Allen’s ethnic rally held on Wednesday. After his "macaca" comment, Allen is scrambling quickly to prove he’s not a racist.

Video -http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/17/colbert-report-senator-allen-and-his-ethnic-friends">WMP Video -http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/17/colbert-report-senator-allen-and-his-ethnic-friends">QT

Yeaaaa…. you might want to get rid of those Confederate flags first, Senator.

(Mike Legra)

[Cha]

58. Funny, Colbert! His "Jewish friend"!

"Little mini-Macaca"!

[Catchawave]

2. Starting out with Webb edorsing Allen in 2000....ack!

[Cha]

61. The other george went downhill..what can

he say?

Who knew this brand of rethugs would be so bad? Besides DUers and other enlightened souls? O8)

[Catchawave]

3. Webb's doing great.....

Allen's stumbling over the hard questions and spewing rw talking points.

[Greeby]

4. No spoilers plz, it isn't shown in the UK till 5pm local time

that's currently 12pm EDT

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

6. It's not really a "debate" ... just timmy interviewing both side by side..

Don't worry about missing something exciting... :)

{B^> FMH

[Kahuna]

26. Excuse me. Some of us want the spoilers. Those who don't

can just easily NOT click on the thread. Am I missing something here? :shrug:

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

5. Timmy actually holding Allen's feet to fire?! WTF?

Wow, it is so nice to see our 'presstitutes' getting their balls back...

Comparing today's Timmy to even a year ago (pre-katrina to really show it), is like remembering how the now "stern daddy" used to be take such pleasure in entertaining the kids in his clown suit with balloons and whistles...

Allen is an asshat who shouldn't be in any position of power.


Timmy: "simple question: in your mind could the $300 Billion spent on Iraq be better spent?"

Allen: "I'd like more syrup on my waffles please..." ;)



You can't trust Republicans with your money these days...

BAH!



{B^> FMH

[Catchawave]

15. Allen's the incumbent

and Timmy obviously knows his voting record.

More syrup on my waffles.....:rofl:......he's yet to answer a question without referring to his Rove For Dummies playbook.

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

17. ROTFL "Rove for Dummies" ... Now that is GOOD!

These (R) guys are even DUMBER than a bag of hammers and they actually do NEED help in getting Rove's magic... LOL

[Dinger]

27. timmy blasts Webb - I'm Waiting For Him To Attack allen The Same Way!

Sheesh, what the fuck was that? They're spending a LOT of time on this. I want equal time for macaca boy!

. . . Oh good, here it comes . . .

[rodeodance]

7. Allen is a 'smooth talker" (this is not a complement)

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

10. Not as "exciting" as darth last week -- perhaps a nice change LOL

Nice to see ya again Rodeodance! Welcome back to MTP Sunday ;)

Allen is such an asshat. If I was a Virginian, I'd be embarassed by his pathetic "smooth talkin'" ... he'd even make a lackluster used car salesman...

When he opens his mouth, what ** had for dinner last night comes out, huh? ;)

{B^> FMH

[Catchawave]

20. I call him Little Bush

Is he the heir apparent or what :rofl:

[me b zola]

73. That's exactly what he is

A sadistic idiot who is loyal to the neocon agenda. (see: makes great puppet)

[godai]

43. See my comment under chewing tobacco

wrong location - meant in response to chewing tobacco

I'll watch this discussion at 10:30 but there doesn't seem to be a lot of difference between them. I'll definitely vote against Allen. A question I'd have for Webb is. "Are you a Democrat now, for life?"

[keta11]

60. Compliment

It should be Compliment

[The Witch]

8. It shows here in Virginia in 10:30 AM...

Go WEBB!!!!

[Catchawave]

11. It's on now in Norfolk !

Webb is kicking ass!

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

13. 9am in some places, 10:30 in others

Not sure where though -- i think the web page says so...

[rodeodance]

9. Allen can not/will NOT answer whether he will vote with Bush or McCain.

[Virginian]

67. I think that was Bush or Warner.

Warner is the (Republican) senior Senator from Virginia, a veteran and head of the Armed Services Committee. Will Allen go with Bush or will he go with his own state?

[rodeodance]

12. Tim says Allen votes with Bush 96% of the time

[rodeodance]

18. Webb says he is comfortable with roles of women in the military now.

[Virginian]

68. 96%? Is that all? I thought it was more than that. n/t

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

14. I love seeing Timmy's new "stern look" going into commercial

Thanks tim for the change from the past years' drooling smiles... LOL

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

16. And at the 10 second "station break" break... ALMOST the old smile

And at the 10 second "station break" break... ALMOST the old smile, but he remembers he's not supposed to be happy-timmy and you can see that little smile quickly turn down! LOL

[rodeodance]

Webb wrote in Weekly Standard in 1997. Webb says he turned the

debate over to the MILITARY.

[rodeodance]

21. tim is really grilling webb. Can women lead men in the military. Webb

says yes.

[rodeodance]

22. Webb says--as it is now-no women in artilery--He is comfortable with

that-as it is now.

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

19. Webb being pressed by some Swiftboaters -- Allen must be relieved!

Webb was SecDef?!

Geez! Was Allen even a boy scout!?


Look at that fixed smile on Allen -- he realized is happy he doesn't have to deal with "real issues" like this ever!! LOL!!!

[Wesin04]

48. Webb was SecNav

and Asst Deputy of Defense or similar title--IOW, assistant to, not SecDef. Allen is such a laugh when he tells a decorated Vietnam Vet and civilian leader of our forces how things should work. He has NO CLUE.

[Catchawave]

23. Allen being grilled about VMI allowing women statement

flip-flop alert !

Don't want to add spoilers, but this is one hecka'o'debate that needs to be rewatched many times to be sure :)

[wellstone dem]

30. Please please add the spoilers, those who don't want them

can simply not link on the thread.

[rodeodance]

24. Webb tells Tim to ask Allen about his blasting of women in Virginia

Military acedemy.

[rodeodance]

25. Allen says "we' were wrong (VMA). Would not say I-even when pressed

by Tim

[rodeodance]

28. tim showing clip of the Maccaca issue. Allen says he NEVER heard that

word before.

[LeinesRed]

29. MADE UP WORD?

Oh my heaven.

[rodeodance]

31. Allen digs himself in further! God, he is really full ot sh***

[rodeodance]

32. basically says he did not know any better in his earlier life about flying

the confederate flag.

[Virginian]

69. Didn't know until when? He sure is a slow learner.

I think he would still be flying it if it weren't for the fact that he wants to go national and it doesn't play well in Peoria.

I am FROM Virginia, the flag IS a part of MY family history, and I knew that it had become a symbol of hatred and bigotry and I wanted NO PART OF IT long before Allen walked into Virginia waving it.

It looks like he adopted it about the time I rejected it, way back in the 1960's, around the time of the Civil Rights movement. Some of us evolved. Some people regressed.

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

33. actually he's full of **'s shit ;^)

or to be "rude" and spell it out fully:

He's full of Bush's Shit! LOL

:rofl:

[LeinesRed]

35. I thought

I thought his first "explanation" was that he heard it as a child...now it was a made up word? OOOHH, good one...Allen raised more money in Hollywood than Webb!!!!!!

[rodeodance]

40. yes, i thought i read that somewhere also.

[never_get_over_it]

51. When the macaca thing happened

that little punk said he made it up - which is so ridiculous - ok so say you're going to make up a word - so there are about a kabillion choices of made up words - and he just happens to come up with the French Tunisian word equivalent to the N word and oh by the way his mother is French Tunisian and he speaks fluent French....

Just sorry I'm no longer in VA so I could vote against the pathetic ass for the third time....

[rodeodance]

34. Webb says he 'bullied' the young camera!

[rodeodance]

36. Webb also says Allen has raised money in Hollywood. te he

[rodeodance]

37. Allen will not answer the question-Will you serve the full 6 years.

[rodeodance]

38. well, the ending slavo----They both chew tobacco (in private).

[godai]

46. Ugh...Shows lack of discipline and lack of education as to danger

I'll watch this discussion at 10:30 but there doesn't seem to be a lot of difference between them. I'll definitely vote against Allen. A question I'd have for Webb is. "Are you a Democrat now, for life?"

[BootinUp]

59. There are real differences

Please do watch.

[godai]

63. I watched...Webb did well.

There is NO WAY that I would ever vote for felix the brat. Webb seemed calm and comfortable. I hope the large $$ advantage of felix doesn't decide this election but I continue to see the ads again and again.

If things go very well Democrats take the House and Webb wins, hopefully giving a Senate majority. That seems like to a huge change, with bushco primed to scare the hell out of everyone until election day, oil cos. lowering gas prices and just the numbers for the Senate. Worst case is the repubs still control both Houses of Congress but, after 2000 and 2004, not impossible, I fear.

[Virginian]

66. Sounds like Webb went GOP because of Johnson foreign policy.

Viet Nam was a mess.
As much good as Johnson did on domestic issues, he really did screw up by escalating and micro managing that war.

A lot of 'Nam vets felt that way. Only Webb is smart enough not to stay on the dark side.

[Wesin04]

50. Chewing tobacco

Allen's chewing isn't private. We know Allen chews that disgusting stuff, cause he has a cup nearby (lucky aid!) and has never made any bones about it. OTOH, Webb surely chews in private cause that's a fact not out there, heretofor.

[Recursion]

57. Beats smoking

I chew because at least I'm not taking anyone with me.

If I were running for office, though, I'd quit. The stuff eats away gravitas even faster than it eats away at your gums.

[Vinca]

62. Ooooooooooooh, YUCK!

One more disgusting thing about Senator Macaca.

[Catchawave]

39. I'm going out on a limb now....

Webb won :applause:

Can't wait for the NOVA discussion at 10:30 :hi:

[rodeodance]

42. yes, webb won.

[Virginian]

70. What is the NOVA discussion at 10:30?

Televised? What channel?

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

41. Last word from Allen ... "I'm smooth buttah on toast" What a moran!

Man, that guy really has creamed corn for brains....

Webb wiped him up off the floor without even having to pull out a swiffer!

:rofl:

I hope Virginia doesn't get Diebolding into 6 more years (2 more?!) of this jackass's jackass!



Tanks Timmy for finding a little ball again this week.


Until next time... If it's Sunday, it's MEET THE PRESSTITUTE!

{B^>

[rodeodance]

55. little mind allen most likely really thinks he is the cream!

[MoonRiver]

44. Tim should have pressed Allen on the NOOSE in his gov. office!

When I heard that I thought it was much more indicative of this scumbag's racism than the confederate flag.

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

45. Timmy'd have to be "press" to press anyone ... ;) n/t

[Catchawave]

47. Tim did say he wished he had 3 hours !

This was a very good Timmy Hour...we may have even won some crossover votes, as Webb's intelligence and coolness under fire were very comforting, not only for Virginians but our country in desperate need for leadership guts'n'brains'n'compassion.

[Virginian]

71. Tim did well with our candidates for Governor last year, too.

He exposed Kilgore to be all talking points and no substance.

He asked Kilgore a question about abortion. Kilgore said he couldn't answer that question because it was a hypothetical question. Then Tim asked Kilgore a hypothetical question about taxes. Kilgore answered it. Tim said, "That was also a hypothetical question." Kilgore continued with his talking points on taxes. Kilgore still didn't get it.

Kilgore lost to Tim Kaine last year.

[BootinUp]

49. Webb is doing very well, after he gets a chance to talk.

He is framing the Middle East/Iraq situation correctly.

[Stinky The Clown]

52. I hope VA GOPers are watching this ......

..... seeing a smart man with considered opinions and real principles against a pandering, platitudinous asshat. The difference, to my eyes, is stark and clear.

Felix makes that box of rocks look like a Rhodes Scholar.

[godai]

64. It is hard to believe that this fool was elected Senator

Since 2000, about 500,000 people have move to VA. I'm one of them and most of us do not fit the southern conservative image of a lot of VA. NOVA continues to change the face of politics in VA.

[BootinUp]

53. Webb on Geneva conventions

Reminds us that the Vietnamese called prisoners of war "war criminals" hence the Geneva conventions didn't apply.


I have to believe Americans would see this and side with Webb.

[BootinUp]

56. Webb on Affirmative action

Made a strong case for affirmative action programs, pointing out that there was state sponsored discrimination for generations.



Pretty moving statement actually.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

65. Will C-Span have this?

[TheFarseer]

72. is there a transcript or video of this? n/t

[Freddie Stubbs]

76. Here is the transcript:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14815993/

[npincus]

74. Webb impressed me

I see no reason why he will lose to that Confederate-Flag totin' jerk.

[me b zola]

75. Me too

I'm watching right now and I am very impressed. When talking about permanent military bases in Iraq Webb said that as long as there is an American presence in Iraq there will be no peace. Very strong against no permanent bases in Iraq.


Jim Webb, :applause: