What do you make of a guy who kept a noose in his office, and a

[CatWoman]

confederate flag in his living room?

Allen Just “Made Up” the Word Macaca

By: John Amato on Sunday, September 17th, 2006 at 9:41 AM - PDT

Not only has Allen lifted Dick Durbin’s legislation, but now he says he never heard the word Macaca before. Will he now say that his mother is not from French Tunisian, where that word is used as a racial slur? I thought Allen’s campaign manager, Dick Wadhams retracted that apology anyway?

Mike Legra:

Timmeh really had Senator Allen squirming this morning over his racist tendencies. Not only did Allen call a dark-skinned Webb campaigner "macaca" — even though he just "made up" the word and didn’t know it’s considered a racist slur — and opposed a Martin Luther King Jr. holiday as a member of the Virginia House of Delegates in 1984, but Russert calls him out on an AP article citing how he "used to keep a confederate flag in his living room, a noose in his law office and a picture of confederate troops in his governors office." Politics and "confederate pride" aside, how do you explain keeping a noose in your office?

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/17/allen-just-made-up-the-word-macaca/

[hlthe2b]

1. Sadistic Bastard....

MoFo...

oh, I just made up those words... Do they have meaning in another context? :sarcasm:

[Rosemary2205]

2. I think he will be the next President.

He seems to be exactly the caliber the RW wants in office -- and since they own the machines..................

Of course I'd love to see America do a Mexico and take to the streets with these crooked elections but America doesn't seem to really care.

[saltpoint]

8. I don't see George Allen winning over the hearts and minds of Iowa

and New Hampshire voters.

If you're a Republican -- god forbid, I know -- but if you were an Iowa Republican, why would you vote for Allen over Chuck Hagel, for example?

Same in New Hampshire. In 2000 New Hampshire Republicans voted for McCain over Bush. I think they'd take Hagel over Allen.

Just my hunch.

[Virginia Dare]

55. I will personally take to the streets...

if that "man" is elected President. I would imagine I'd have lots of company.

[LostinVA]

3. And the moran isn't even a Virginian

He grew up in California... so there goes the "Heritage" argument, Felix (as bogus as I think that argument is).

[ProgressiveEconomist]

15. At what age did he move to VA, and why? Was he old enough for it to be

said that he chose to go to Virginia, perhaps because he know his racialist views would be welcomed there? Or, like Dubya, was he brought to a former Confederate stronglold by his parents, when he was a child and had no say where he would live?

[LibDemAlways]

27. He moved to Virginia as a 19 year old college student

when his dad became head coach of the Redskins. He grew up in Los Angeles and the Chicago suburbs. At Palos Verdes HS in Southern California he drove a car with Confederate flag bumper stickers, wore a Confederate flag lapel pin in his senior portrait, and, in one memorable episode, spraypainted racist graffiti on the school walls to stir up racial tension against a rival school. I was in his high school class and remember the incident well. It has been corroborated in print in a New Republic article from April in which 5 other classmates and a school administrator were interviewed.

As an adult he has displayed Confederate flags in his home, a noose in his office, and named his only son Forrest for KKK founder Gen. Nathan Forrest. His two daughters, Tyler and Brooke are also named for prominent Confederates. George Allen is a piece of work.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

30. Hey, thanks for the quick answer, and from first-hand experience!

I wonder how many in the media know a current Senator and former Governor has THREE children named for KKK and Confederate antiheroes.

For those of us who know only the highlights of Confederate history, who are the prominent rebel leaders after whom Tyler and Brooke were named?

[LibDemAlways]

32. Robert Charles Tyler was the last Confederate

General slain in battle and Commander John M. Brooke resigned his US Navy commission to join the Confederate States Navy. He was involved in the design and production of heavy rifled guns for the southern war effort.

Forrest, Tyler, Brooke....coincidence? I think not.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

33. Thanks again. "Three KKKids" would make a great title for a '60 Minutes"

segment about a sitting US Senator, up for re-election. There could be photos of the kids, on-the-street interviews with African-American voters and other Virginians, profiles of the KKK antiheroes after whom the three were named, etc.

More realistically, maybe Keith Olberman might consider doing such a piece. Or maybe Joe Scarborough, whose low ratings put him in dire jeopardy, I wonder how many in the media know this information about Allen?

[LibDemAlways]

39. Ryan Lizza, who wrote a scathing profile

of Allen in The New Republic back in April, has this information, and I suspect others do as well. I think they've held it back because there's no way to definitively prove it - although given Allen's obsession with the Confederacy, there's really no other explanation. Those are not family names - at least not in his family.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

41. Unless Allen confesses, only a statistical case could be made. It would

have to start with a list of the top of the pantheon of KKK/Confederate heros, and continue with calculations of the odds that Allen and wife could have chosen those three names at random.

[Hoooweee]

76. does Jim Webb know you yet? if not

He could really use you.

Allen's already gone negative.

I've listened to your anecdotes for two years. If the swing voters of Virginia could hear your story, along with the classmates featured in TNR, they'd think twice about voting for Allen. It'd excite our base as well. If the DLC won't make an ad of it, I'm sure some 527's could do the job. It's your last chance before 2008 or 2012.

[Virginian]

42. because he know his racialist views would be welcomed there?

Don't paint us all with that racist brush. I find too many people on DU want to condemn some of us because of the location of our birth. Yes, we still have bigots here, and I am sure your state has them, too. In fact YOU are one of them for you, sir, are pre-judging me without knowing anything about me other than the region in which I live. I am very offended by it but I will still answer your question.

George Allen grew up in a privileged neighborhood in Southern California where his father was coach to the local NFL team. In his senior year in a California high school, he wore a confederate flag on his lapel for his yearbook picture. He adopted the confederate flag about the time I rejected it -- in the 1960's -- during the awakening of the civil rights movement.

Cowboy boots are not a part of being a Virginian. He adopted them, too. Maybe he had his sites on a different state.

I have disliked the man from the first time I ever saw a campaign ad about him. That grin got to me like Dubya's smirk. I have never voted for him and I never will. Allen gets votes on name recognition -- His father's name recognition. The elder Allen lead the Washington Redskins football team to Super Bowl VII where they were beaten by the undefeated Miami Dolphins.

People didn't know much about George Allen when he ran for Gov. We didn't have the "internets" back then to get the full background on a person. He put out some nasty attack ads on his opponent, Mary Sue Terry. But mostly he campaigned with his Rovian tactics of a whispering campaign questioning her sexual orientation.
She, like Condi, had never had time for marriage while pursuing her career in law and politics.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

44. I said "perhaps".... Seriously, of course there are many true-blue people

in every "red" state, and some racists in all blue states.But are you seriously arguing that Virginia as a whole is no more racist than, say, Massachusetts?

For one thing, the Commonwalth has 100 counties, many presumably with few jobs outside tobacco sheds . Any state with that many counties has to be pretty backward. And the state has the Stars and Bars on its flag, active chapters of CofCC , Southern Heritage Month in April (the anniversary of the Klan), etc.

We could easily come up with numerical indicators of the extent to which Virginia is racist, compared to other states. What is the concentration of hate groups in Virginia compared to other states? What is the ratio of African-American median family income to non-Hispanic White family income? What is the ratio of the African-American incarceration rate to the rate for NHWs? The high-school graduation ratio? The child mortality ratio? The household net-worth ratio? See http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intpro.jsp , http://www.census.gov , the Criminal Justice Factbook at albany.edu , and other websites too numerous to mention.

Virginia was a mainstay of slavery, Capital of the Confederacy, and home of so many early Presidents because of the 3-5ths of a man rule in the Constitution. Disproportionate wealth concentrated in a few proud old Virginia families likely can be traced all the way back to slavery times.

I can't believe what you seem to be saying.

[Leopolds Ghost]

45. "Any state with that many counties has to be pretty backward."

Ummm... OK. Can you perhaps explain the ridiculous and insane township system of New York and New England, which fosters corruption on a scale heretofore unknown?

Any state that consists entirely of 1000s of little incorporated areas each with their own have mayor and council (no hope for direct democracy there!) which consist of little more than privately owned forests and developer subdivisions, where the mayor is often the son of the previous mayor or the council is composed of 3/5 employees of the local corporate fiefdom, has to be pretty backward.

[Leopolds Ghost]

47. As someone who grew up familiar with "goddamned Virginia"

(As we in Maryland liked to call it when I was growing up) I nevertheless think your attitude toward Virginians is needlessly condescending.

I assume you are one of the thousands of people, who, if they became a political intern in DC, would thumb their noses at Maryland for being a "southern state" (it is not, and we have nothing in common with Virginia, even in the rural areas.)

If you want to criticize Virginia, criticise:

* The fact that Virginia's notion of "property rights" is even more screwed up than elsewhere in the country...

* The fact that Arlington, a Democratic hotbed, was until recently a fiefdom of the military and is now yuppieville and trying to force all their military jobs out to the exurbs of Virginia, producting sprawl. They won't acknowledge their history of being a military fiefdom, however...

* The fact that Arlington and Alexandris have (and will continue to have) roads named after Jefferson Davis and other prominent Confederates that run through minority areas (and past the Lincoln Memorial), not because they are racists (the roads received their names in the mid-20th century), but because they are extremely affluent and indifferent to the concens of people who might be offended, just like the Democrats in Maryland who voted against Kweisi Mfume because of his name. People of color tend to avoid "affluent, liberal, urban" Northern Virginia like the plague, just like they avoid small, insular (and racist) townships throughout the Northeastern US. That's why I don't see much difference between overt Southern racism and systemic Northern racism.

* You can't criticize the fact that the southern parts of the state are where most of the Democrats in Virginia live. Northern Virginia merely puts them over the top. All the racist republicans tend to live in the suburbs, and the Shenandoah valley. Compare that to northern states where rural counties always vote Republican.

ON EDIT: I don't seem to recall the Stars and Bars on Virginia's flag. Got a cite for that?

[ProgressiveEconomist]

50. You're entirely right--the Stars and Bars are not on the VA state flag

I've traveled to Northern Virginia many times, but I don't ever remember seeing the official blue state flag of VA until I googled it just now. I do recall seeing many Confederate swastikas flying. Do people in Virginia tend to fly the Confederate swastika in place of the official blue flag?

[Leopolds Ghost]

65. There are alot of racists that are just more open about it... however

there are also a lot of people that consider themselves part of what Webb called "poor white culture" and think Confederate heritage is part of that. Some of them are only nominally racists, in the "some of my best friends are black" variety. I don't claim to know everything about how many people in Virginia are overt racists and how many see it as some sort of "I'm a redneck and proud of it" variety.

There seem to be a fair amount of Democratic rednecks, especially in the mountains (NOT the Shenandoah -- the authentic scotch-irish rednecks of hte Shenandoah valley have hated Democrats ever since Roosevelt "stole their land" to create Shenandoah National Park.)

But there are also a lot of authentic racists, and there seem to be just as many north of the potomac too, in Maryland, Pennsylvania, etc.

they don't consider themselves rednecks, though, just "working man".
But their sense of working class is that they all commute 50 miles into the city to supervise illegal immigrants for piss-poor wages on high-priced condominium construction. Yeah, they're above it all, all right. :eyes:

The problem I see with typecasting all rednecks as racists, besides the fact that they make up a significant portion of the white working class is that there are just as many yuppies who are racist, they are far more subtle in their preconceptions and hypocritical about it.

[Virginian]

48. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Edited to clear up meaning of statements. Remove some sarcasm.

The Virginia flag does not have the stars and bars. Look it up. It is blue with the state seal in gold in the center.
But you hate me so much because of where I live that you wanted it to be the confederate flag.

No state is as progressive as Mass.

It is true that the prison population is not in the same proportions to the population. You could say that about nearly any state. It isn't fair here and it isn't fair where you live either. But since you want to hate me for it, go ahead.

You have not filled out your profile, so I have a disadvantage and cannot compare the statistics of Virginia to your home.

"For one thing, the Commonwalth has 100 counties, many presumably with few jobs outside tobacco sheds . Any state with that many counties has to be pretty backward."
Really?!!! Go back and check on the state website some of the industries here. You might be surprised. Do you know anyone who ever had an organ transplant? They were listed and matched in Richmond. The Medical college of Virginia was a pioneer in organ transplantation.
Ahh, that must be why you hate us, we have too many counties. Do you have county envy or something? What does the number of counties have to do with being backward? I am currently sitting about a mile and a half from THE original hub of the internet in one of the "backward" counties.

"Southern Heritage Month in April" Is it suddenly bad to study a common history? You had better tell that to the Greeks so they won't have the Greek festival. The Italians and other groups that set aside a time to tell the younger generations about the life in the past. I don't see it listed as connected to any of the hate groups in your link.

"We could easily come up with numerical indicators of the extent to which Virginia is racist, compared to other states. What is the concentration of hate groups in Virginia compared to other states? What is the ratio of African-American median family income to non-Hispanic White family income? What is the ratio of the African-American incarceration rate to the rate for NHWs? The high-school graduation ratio? The child mortality ratio? The household net-worth ratio? See http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intpro.jsp , http://www.census.gov , the Criminal Justice Factbook at albany.edu , and other websites too numerous to mention."

I checked out the hate groups on the link you posted. If you want to know the other things, you will have to look them up for yourself." Here are some of the state totals. I didn't do them all, you know where to find them. It would also be interesting to get a ratio of hate groups to the population.
Virginia has 33. New Mexico, Vermont, Rhode Island, Maine, Hawaii and North Dakota don't have any. Texas has 43, Ohio 34, Kentucky 13, Georgia 40, Washington, DC has 5, North Carolina 35, Florida has 50 and California has 52.
We have 1 Black Separatist, 1 Christian Identity, 7 KKK, 6 Neo Confederate, 6 Neo Nazi and 11 Other.
There were no incidents listed so far in 2006.
In 2005, there were 11 total incidents: 5 passing out leaflets, 1 rally, 1 Assault (on a White teen in a Black neighborhood), 1 intimidation (White men shouting racial slurs at muslim woman), 2 vandalizm (1 anti-gay and 1 kkk), and 1 legal development where a man was sentenced to 5 years for spray painting the letters KKK on a family's house and car.(I wonder if that was one of the two vandalizms?)
They didn't include gangs. We have some of those, too. Our community is always getting rid of gang graffiti from electrical and telephone boxes.
I don't belong to any of those organizations and I don't know anyone who does. But go ahead and hate me any way.

So tell me, what does it say about your state?

You seem to be in favor of one of the groups. The Neo Confederates are in favor of sucession and you seem to want us to Go Away.

"Virginia was a mainstay of slavery, Capital of the Confederacy, and home of so many early Presidents because of the 3-5ths of a man rule in the Constitution. Disproportionate wealth concentrated in a few proud old Virginia families likely can be traced all the way back to slavery times."

Virginia a mainstay? I think the concentration was further south. Congress did eliminate Slavery here at the same time it was abolished in Maryland and in the rest of the South. Confederate Capital, yes. You can hate me for that.
A very few families had most of the wealth and mine is not one of them. My ancestors were poor, too poor to afford a horse for transportation, much less someone to wait on them. They probably came here as indentured servants. Most of them lived in the cities and worked in the mills or eeked out a living painting houses or other manual labor. They didn't see great wealth, to them the doctor was wealthy, so they didn't know they were poor. There were so many poor people like them that they thought they were middle class and proud of their strong work ethic.
You can hate me for that, too.

Virginia had so many early presidents because they ran for office. I am not descended from any of them.

I suggest you visit Virginia, Meet some of the people before you call us racists.
Oh, and has your state ever had an African American Governor? George Allen followed Doug Wilder, who I did vote for.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

49. Where did you get the idea I hate you? I don't hate anyone, not even

our evil national leader. That was the whole point of this thread.

I don't like racism very much, though. Do you? You seem to have a very "cavalier" (pun intended) attitude toward statistics about the millions of African-Americans who've suffered from racism in your state, and continue to suffer from it. Your very puzzling attitude seems like a kind of holocaust denial.

[Virginian]

75. Is it cavalier to aknowledge there is a problem?

To also aknowledge that Virginia is not the only state that needs improvement in this area and should not be singled out as your target?

I went into detail on the hate crimes because I don't think handing out leaflets is quite at the level as dragging Mr. Byrd behind a truck.
I have always thought hate crimes were crimes. Handing out leaflets by anyone else is not a crime, it is a constitutionally protected right. I may not like their message, but I would hate for anyone to tell me I couldn't pass out fliers for my favorite Dem candidate because some neo-con didn't like my message.

We are not the best state and we are not the worst but at least we are working on making it better. Tell me about the people in your state. Everyone there is already perfect, right? You need no improvement. You have no vices to work on. Must be quite a utopia.

[Leopolds Ghost]

66. Re: the original hub of the internet

MAE-East, you mean?

You do know why it's located where it is, right ;-)

Virginia a mainstay? I think the concentration was further south. Congress did eliminate Slavery here at the same time it was abolished in Maryland and in the rest of the South. Confederate Capital, yes. You can hate me for that.

Maryland a southern state? I beg to differ. I must exercise my parochialism... my folks were ex-Southerners so I was raised to believe that Maryland and Delaware and West Virginia are not southern. Maybe 100 years ago...

A very few families had most of the wealth and mine is not one of them. My ancestors were poor, too poor to afford a horse for transportation, much less someone to wait on them. They probably came here as indentured servants.

So you are one of the SFV, then? Cool! (Second Familes of Virginia?)

I didn't know that native Virginians still could afford to live in Northern Virginia, if that is what you meant by the original hub of the Internet ;-)

Most of them lived in the cities and worked in the mills or eeked out a living painting houses or other manual labor. They didn't see great wealth, to them the doctor was wealthy, so they didn't know they were poor. There were so many poor people like them that they thought they were middle class and proud of their strong work ethic. You can hate me for that, too.

Most Americans are in that position, even today. Whether or not they identify with their "Southern Heritage" is less important than whether they extend that to racism and extolling their "Confederate" heritage, or whether they understand that "northern liberal elitists" is a red herring for "rich assholes that like to pit people against each other in order to keep wages in check".

[Virginian]

73. Internet hub

I learned that last year in an HTML class. I asked where exactly and if it still was. I was thinking it would put us too close to a prime target for terror. The instructor said it was no longer the only hub.

Yes, I would like to know why it was put in this specific location.

Maryland. My intention was to include Maryland in the category of Slave states, but not Southern states. The federal government could not have its capital surrounded by rebellious states so it detained the Maryland legislature so they could not vote on sucession. The Emancipation Proclaimation specifically exempted Maryland by counties.

"Second Familes of Virginia" That's a great term for us, mind if I use it?

"native Virginians still could afford to live in Northern Virginia" The value of the house is not the same as the original purchase price. We couldn't afford to buy here now. I have bounced between the central and northern parts of the state. My roots are south of the James in a very blue spot in a very red zone. The relatives have scattered out to dilute the red.

"Most Americans are in that position, even today. Whether or not they identify with their "Southern Heritage" is less important than whether they extend that to racism and extolling their "Confederate" heritage,"
Thank you for seeing that distinction. All southerners are not racists any more than any other stereotype about people. Hollywood paints us poorly with shows like the Dukes of Hazard. Disney remembered the Titans incorrectly, lied about integration in the Alexandria school system and got it all wrong; I can prove it with my high school yearbook.

Southerners and fat people are not protected by political correctness. We are open targets for anyone and anything.

[Virginia Dare]

69. I'd be very interested to hear the explanation for the...

apparent "anomaly" of Virginia voting in a black Democrat as Governor as well.

How many other states have done that, northern or southern?

There were any number of Virginians who fought for the Confederacy for reasons other than to protect the institution of slavery. If fact, there was a conscription law in place, and many went to fight merely because somebody richer than them paid them to go in their place, or they couldn't afford not to. There was no such thing as a conscientious objector.

So you see it's not a new phenomena for the poor people to be fighting the rich man's war.

[Virginia Dare]

57. Do some serious research on Virginia history...

and then get back to us. You are painting with a very broad brush here. Yes, racism obviously appeals to a certain percentage of Virginians, but I would imagine that's true in any state.

George Allen did not get elected because he was a racist right winger. He successfully ran as a "moderate" Republican, convinced everyone that he was the next Ronald Reagan, and was running against a beleaguered Chuck Robb whose heart just wasn't in the race.

For some reason he was a popular Governor in this state, but I believe it was because he served during the Clinton years when the economy was very good and he was able to take a certain amount of credit from that. I think a lot more people were buying into his lies then, and there were still a fair number of Democrats in the legislature to keep him in check back then.

Virginia is now becoming more educated and affluent, especially around the Washington and Richmond suburbs, and seems to be swinging a little more to the left, so I suspect the Republicans will continue to lose their grip in this state.

The "old" Virginia families are still around, but by the way, they aren't all Republicans and racists, there are a fair number of them who are moderate Democrats, and they don't hold the political power they once did, and most of it is local landowning power.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

60. You at least seem rational. Thanks for your comment. Google

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22racial+disparities%22+%22by+state%22+virginia&btnG=Google+Search

for a start and see what you get. There, I've done some metaresearch for you.

Yes, I did paint with a very broad brush. But even a cursory look at statistical facts reveals that what a few politically progressive Virginians in this thread are denying is for the most part true. Virginia has some of the worst racial disparities to be found inywhere in the world. Always has, and likely will continue to have long after all of us are dead.

I'm continually struck by how insensitive most progressives are to racial disparities right in front of their eyes. They hear "racism" and think "overtly expressed prejudices I personally have heard'" rather than numerical facts. Texas journalism professor Robert Jensen really nailed these attitudes in his classic rant, at http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/freelance/whiteprivilege.htm .

[Virginia Dare]

62. No, I don't deny it at all...

in fact, I have seen it with my eyes, there are places in Virginia where not much has changed sociologically since the Civil War. However, those pockets are getting smaller, and those areas are increasingly less populous.

This is of course just anecdotal, but the most racist place I've been to by far is the Gulf Coast area of this country. I was born and raised in the D.C. area, and have lived most of my life in Virginia, have many relatives from rural areas of Virginia, so I consider myself pretty jaded when it comes to racism, but I was literally shocked by it the first time I went there.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

64. That was a quick flip-flop ...

Did you ever hear the term "flip-flop" more than a few months before an election?

[Virginia Dare]

67. Never really thought about it...

but it's a stupid term.

If I seem like I'm flip-flopping then maybe I wasn't making my point very well which is, overt racism did not get George Allen elected to office in Virginia. I do not deny that racism does indeed exist in Virginia, and it is probably even widespread in some locations.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

70. Allen has at least two faces, one for the CofCC, SCV, and UDC, and one

for statwide newspapers and TV, according to The Nation and New Republic.

He managed to be all things to all people, until his spontaneous neologism "Macaca" put a big spotlight on him.

[Virginia Dare]

56. Good post Virginian...

I believe the cowboy boots came from his delusions that he was somehow "Reaganesque", which is why Webb running the ad with Saint Ronnie praising him to the skies is like a knife in Felix's back. Where's the video of Saint Ronnie, his hero, praising his military service?

[Virginian]

74. Thanks n/t

[rodeodance]

4. he explained it away saying it was his younger days (paraphase but this

was the message I got)

[mcg]

5. "more of a lasso"? You don't hang a lasso from a tree!

http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/2005/02/george_allen_an.html

George Allen:
"more of a lasso."
"It has nothing to do with lynching."

Richmond Times Dispatch"
"Dangling from a ficus tree in the corner was a noose ..."

Anonymous:
"You don't hang a lasso from a tree."

My comment:
confederate flag + noose + confederate troops + macaca = the obvious

[eviltwin2525]

6. Triple-Letter Score

and I don't mean AAA. Starts with a "K," and ends with one.

[mcg]

9. or CCC would do as well

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Felix_Allen#Council_of_Conservative_Citizens

"The Nation reported in 2006 that Allen, as Governor, initiated contact with the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), one of the largest white supremacist groups."

[mcg]

14. and here's the damning proof

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060911/george_allen

"This photo, published in the Summer 1996 edition of the Citizens Informer, the newsletter of the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens, shows George Allen, left, and actor Charlton Heston, right, posing with Gordon Lee Baum and two associates."

[ProgressiveEconomist]

7. Is Allen the one who reportedly named his kids after KKK

and Confederate antiheroes? Or was that someone else?

There are too many prominent Republicans waving Confederate swastikas for me to keep them all straight in my mind.

[mcg]

19. He named his son Forrest after Nathan Bedford Forrest of the KKK

No doubt, George Allen is a traitor to our country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest



http://www.raisingkaine.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4474

As governor of Virginia, Allen called the Civil War "a four-year struggle for independence and sovereign rights." and pledged to “fight the beast of tyranny and oppression that our federal government has become" (Newport News Daily Press, 12/22/02) Allen also played a Confederate officer in the Civil War movie "Gods and Generals"

[ProgressiveEconomist]

23. Thanks. I did a lot of googling but could not find that info. Allen sure

picked the worst name possible didn't he?

Adding "son Forrest" to "George Allen" googles some interesting hits. There's a photo of father and son taken during the filming of "Gods and Generals" at http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/02/21/movie.lawmakers/ . Both are dressed as Confederate soldiers.

[TahitiNut]

10. An "at risk" teen who never grows up. A delinquent.

His behavior is that of a truant. He steals homework from the other kids, skips class, lies, meets in the park and makes fun of an 'outsider,' and has a fascination with Nazi, KKK, and other paraphernalia. How is it he didn't get over this behavior when he was 13????

What community of imbeciles would, instead of sending this kid to juvvie, send him to the Senate??

Unfuckingbelievable!! :grr: :puke:

[Virginia Dare]

58. The same types of imbeciles in this country...

that send "Dubya" to the White House.

[TheCowsCameHome]

11. He's a liar's liar, that's for sure. Absolutely disgraceful.

What a piece of dung.

[saltpoint]

12. George Allen is a disgrace.

He's a bully. Someone who believes intimidation is a preferred means of action, a strategy employed against others to advance one's own selfish position.

It is time for Virginia voters to choose a better public servant. That would be Jim Webb.

The noose detail is all the buzzword anybody voting in that contest should need to make a good decision.

[kskiska]

13. He's also been photographed at CCC meetings.

Do we need more evidence?

:hi: Hi Cat!!

[mcg]

16. The Photograph That Haunts George Allen

a lot more on George Allen...

http://tailrank.com/posts/562949953861330/The_Photograph_That_Haunts_George_Allen

[ProgressiveEconomist]

25. A 2001 photo of GA and his only son, named after KKK founder

Nathan Bedford Forrest, is at http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/02/21/movie.lawmakers/ . It was taken during the filming of the Confederate hagiography film, "Gods and Generals". Both father and young-looking (!2?) son are wearing Confederate uniforms.

"Train up a child in the direction you would have him to go, and when he is old he will not depart from it", IIRC what I read in the Bible.

[mcg]

17. On The Etymology of Macaca (i.e. macaque)

http://ezraklein.typepad.com/blog/2006/08/on_the_etymolog.html

"Felix raised Allen's mother, Etty, in Tunisia, a French protectorate in North Africa. ...

In North Africa, the word "macaca," often spelled "macaco" or "macaque," is far more than a string of random syllables. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the word dates back to the mid-1600s, as a Flemish approximation of the Bantu word for monkey in the Congo and southern Gabon. The word migrated north, taking on all the racist connotations that followed African colonization. By the early 1800s, Jacko Maccacco, a famous fighting monkey, could be found on display in Westminster Pit, a notorious London arena for dog fights. The word had entered the common vernacular, and it eventually became a racist shorthand for blacks."

http://killfile.newsvine.com/_news/2006/08/14/325059-sen-allen-throws-racial-slur-at-indian-democratic-staffer

"Allen speaks French."

Oh mon Dieu!

http://jeffrey-feldman.typepad.com/frameshop/2006/08/frameshop_macac.html#more

"'Macaca' or 'macaque' is a nasty racial epithet alright. It is often used by American white supremacists to describe black people."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macaca_%28slur%29

"Macaca (allegedly also pronounced and spelled macaque) is a dismissive epithet used by Francophone colonials in Africa for native populations of North and Subsaharan Africans. It is also sometimes used as a code word in the White Power Movement, to refer to blacks and other non-Caucasians. It is derived from the name of the genus comprised of the macaque primates."

[Cleita]

18. Maybe he intends on using it on himself one of these days

if he is ever brought to justice.

[TlalocW]

20. We're being too hard on Allen

He's a good boy raised by a good woman who was obviously a putain.

Oh, is putain French for whore? I thought I just made that word up.

TlalocW

[BlooInBloo]

22. Yah - lighten up folks! It's not like he's ACTUALLY HUNG...

... any negroes with that fine, fine rope of his...

:rofl:


EDIT: Embarrassingly enough, I misspelled "any".

[ProgressiveEconomist]

34. How can we be sure George Allen hasn't actually lynched anybody?

He evidently has the movtive and the means for such crimes.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

35. Seriously, 6 people per year were EXECUTED on his watch as Gov

of Virginia, making George Allen's state second in the nation in executions (behind Dubya's first-place Texas). See http://www.vadp.org/exinfo.htm , which lists the victims of Virgina capital punishment by name and demographics.

Were all of them guilty? Court TV seems doubtful; see http://www.courttv.com/trials/sniper/112503_execution_ap.html .

[BlooInBloo]

36. LOL! You got me there! Good one! What a good 'troubling' ad...

... that would make...

You know - the kind with the ominous music, and the Twilight Zone kinda narrator?

"6 black men were lynched in Virgnia. We don't know for a fact that George Allen was involved. We do know for sure that George Allen is connected to a KKK-related group, and has a noose and confederate flag. We don't for a fact that Geroge Allen *isn't* involved with these lynchings. Do you?"

:rofl:

[ProgressiveEconomist]

38. Don't forget, "He named his 3 children after KKK antiheroes". And it's 24

people executed on his four year watch (VA has a strict one-term limit for its governors).

Other than that, agreed!

[dalaigh lllama]

72. ROFL

:rofl:

>>He's a good boy raised by a good woman who was obviously a putain.

Oh, is putain French for whore? I thought I just made that word up.<<


So, do you suppose she was putain out?

Poor Felix. Poor little salaud...

[williesgirl]

21. He's a blight on any state's record - we Virginians need to fight for Webb

these next 6 weeks or so. Once he loses VA Senate, no way he'll be able to mount a presidential campaign. Kills 2 birds with 1 Vote!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LeftishBrit]

24. He sounds like pure evil...

Is there any way that he could really become president? OK, maybe I'm naive given that GWB did become president - but please, for the sake of the entire world, stop this bastard in his tracks!!!

[lonestarnot]

26. Liar liar pants on fire! He probably burns crosses while dressed

in a white sheet when he's not on tv lying.

[LibDemAlways]

28. CatWoman, that is just the tip of the iceberg.

George Allen was in my high school graduating class in 1970. I personally saw the "Die Whitey" "Fuck Whitey" he spraypainted on the walls of the school to make it look like the work of black kids from a rival school and stir up tension the day before a big basketball playoff game. He was a known racist and fingered almost immediately. He had to apologize over the school PA. And you don't need to take my word for it. The incident was documented, along with Allen's whole sordid racist history, in a New Republic article called "Pin Prick" back in April. The pin was the Confederate flag one he wore in his senior class picture. Keep in mind this was all in Southern California. Allen didn't move to Virginia until his sophomore year in college.

Another member of our high school class attended college and law school with Allen at the University of Virginia. He clearly remembers Allen joking with some students one day that the Redskins (Allen's dad was head coach) would have won a football game if only a certain black player hadn't missed a crucial pass in the endzone. Allen's comment: "If it was a watermelon, he would have caught it."

George Allen is a guy who named his only son for a KKK Grand Wizard.

What do I make of George Allen? Vile, disgusting, lying racist without a shred of decency - and completely unworthy to serve in the US Senate.

[CarlVK]

29. I love the cycle of lies these idiots get caught in.

It makes great watchin'.

[Berry Cool]

31. Wow, reading this has certainly been enlightening.

Saw him on MTP today failing to answer the question about the noose in his office...fudging it over with some crap about how "I'm from a football family...in football you value every member of the team, no matter what their color..."

Yeah, sure. So explain what that noose has to do with football again?

[CarlVK]

37. Oh my god, he went off the deep end with that diversion....

FOO'BAW? What the hell did FOO'BAW have to do with the question? Does his favorite foo'baw team use the noose as it's logo?

[Virginia Dare]

71. When in doubt fall back on Daddy's creds...

works for Dubya.

[tyedyeto]

40. He's a good ole boy......

:puke:

[Virginian]

43. He's a carpet bagger.

No way he could have ever been elected to anything in California. He had to find a state that didn't know him.

The SEC is also investigating a company that he served onthe Board between Gov and Senate. Allen was not protecting the interests of the shareholders any more than he protects the interests of the people of Virginia. I think everyone saw that today when Tim asked him if he was going to follow the lead of the Senior Senator from Virginia on Torture or if he was going to vote with Dubya. He said he hadn't decided, but he just didn't want to announce he would vote with Dubya.


He must have been absent when the Senate took some votes, I hadn't heard of him opposing the White House, they said today that his voting record did not match the White House 100%.

Just after Webb was chosen in the Dem primary, the gap between Allen and Webb seemed unsurmountable. Allen appeared to be a shoo-in. Now Webb leads.

[Virginia Dare]

59. He ran some of the dirtiest campaigns in this state's...

history, and we've had some dirty ones.

Mary Sue Terry was facing an uphill battle as a woman anyway, and Allen went for the jugular.

Chuck Robb's heart was never in the race, he was already bruised and battered, and his marriage was on the ropes. I remember that in my area, sombody childishly and methodically went around and took out all of the Chuck Robb signs on the night before the elections. It was a classic out of the GOP dirty tricks handbook for sure. I'd love to see this guy spectacularly crash and burn. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

[bluedeminredstate]

46. Even for Allen this is shocking

to find out that his son is named for the KKK founder. That's hardcore. Why not Adolph? Manson? Pol Pot Allen is catchy...
His son is my daughter's age and when they lived in Richmond before Macacca man went to the Senate, she played in an advanced skills league with him. I used to see father Macacca at the field holding court regularly, and my son was crushed that I wouldn't take him over to meet the former governor.
No way would I suck up to him. He was a terrible governor who tried (and in many cases succeded) in deregulating and privatizing everything. VDOT - the transportation department was ruined by his schemes.
I can't believe he ever made it to the Senate; he's as dumb as a haddock and not afraid to show it.

[AspenRose]

51. This needs one more recommendation

I think it's important in this election year that the more people know about this, the better.

Lots of people, believe it or not, STILL don't know what makes FELIX tick. Including some here at the DU.

:kick:

[LibDemAlways]

52. Happy to do it.....

I started "George Allen is a racist" threads years ago on DU and repeated them frequently before "Macaca" ever came up. Very happy to participate in educating people about the true nature of the rat bastard.

[lisainmilo]

53. What a friggin whacko!

This guy belongs institutionalized in some kind of a psych facility for the rest of his life. He is seriously damaged goods!

[NoSunWithoutShadow]

54. K & R

:kick:

[UTUSN]

61. But the question shoulda been: What was the MEANING of the noose?

G.E. RUSSERT let him off the hook about the confederate rag, letting ALLEN say it was "heritage." So, is the noose HERITAGE, too? Just WHAT does it mean to keep a noose in a trophy position? Or was it PRACTICAL, not "trophy"? So many follow up questions, never enought time for G.E.RUSSERT to ask ONE.

[Virginia Dare]

63. And whose heritage was it?

obviously not his.

As a descendant of men who actually served in the Confederacy, I find this display offensive.

Honor the men who served the Confederacy, for they did sacrifice for a cause that they felt was right and just, even though we as citizens of the 21st century know it was not right or just. History tells us that many of the Union and Confederate soldiers honored each other and were able to make peace before their deaths, we can do as much.

However, using those symbols for one's own personal jollies is sick and appalling, and is obviously overtly racist.

[warrens]

68. how do you explain keeping a noose in your office?

Simple. He was advocating racial lynchings.

[fishwax]

77. I make him for a scumbag

and have no doubt that he knew what he was saying when he "made up" that word.

And I fervently hope it costs him the election come November.

[The_Casual_Observer]

78. "strange fruit hanging from the tree"