The way I see it, Bush has already violated the Geneva Conventions

[Danieljay]

Anyone else see it this way? I mean, is Bush simply trying to cover his ass right now? I seriously think he could actually be tried for war crimes. It appears to me that the very fact he is fighting so hard for this so called clarity is that he has already violated international law.

He kept using the word dignity in his rant the other day and that it was somehow 'vague'. That is only one word in a long list of violations of the Geneva Convention which the US has ALREADY violated. I read the section that he was referring to, there is nothing 'vague' about it. Bush has violated the Geneva Convention.

Feedback?

[nuxvomica]

1. No doubt in my mind he's trying to cover his ass

The situation is pretty desperate for him now because of the court ruling and the prospect of John Conyers having subpoena power.

[Demeter]

2. He's Not Only Guilty, He's Confessed, and He Will Hang, if there's any

justice in this world.

[Finder]

3. Yes, for sure...

and his recent speeches have confirmed his knowledge and approval of said crimes.

[Divernan]

4. Yes, many military lawyers and law professors see it that way.

He doesn't give a shit about protecting CIA personnel - he knows that in about 8 weeks, he may well lose control of the House &/0r the Senate. This is his last chance to cover his sorry ass from prosecution as a war criminal.

As a University of Houston Law Professor has just written:

"When considering legislation for military commissions, members of Congress should be careful not to open themselves to personal war crimes liability by denying the due process requirements in common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions."

For more details which it would be great of you all to forward to your respective congress critters,
www.jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2006/09/plea-to-congress-on-military.php

Any congressperson with half a brain should run screaming from Bush's demands to pass this legislation.

[minnesota_liberal]

5. Yes, but if we change the terms retroactively, we haven't.

Everything Bush2 does is meant to improve his image, funnel money to his pals, demonize the Dems, prop up big corporate donors, prove that government programs don't work, set up his pals for eventual lobbying and "think tank" gigs, keep the neo-Fascist branch of the GOP in power (and its members out of prison) and/or keep the populus in a constant state of fear.

Did I leave anything out?

[Divernan]

7. Such a retroactive attempt would violate several treaties of the US

Congress should not attempt to provide domestic immunity for criminal violations of rights and protections contained in the Geneva Conventions. Tin-horn dictatorships attempt such forms of impunity, but the attempt would itself violate several treaties of the US and (as Marcos, Milosevic, NOriega, Pinochet, various Argentinian generals and others have learned), HAVE NO LEGAL EFFECT ABROAD IN FOREIGN OR INTERNATIONAL FORA.

Instead, Congress should protect the honor of the United States and maintain the rule of law.

[spanone]

6. I don't believe the 'World' sees the conventions as quite so vague.

[TahitiNut]

8. They're War Criminals attempting a cover-up.

There isn't a shred of doubt. None.

The facade of getting accomplices to change the statutes is just that: a facade. It doesn't change the absolute fact that we're an outlaw nation 'led' by a regime that has deliberately and knowingly committed crimes against peace and war crimes against the Iraqi people.

We all share the shame. We have no honor. We have no courage ... unless we act.

The prosecution and imprisonment of these monsters is an absolute moral and ethical necessity.

[Warren Stupidity]

9. Of course.

That was clear when the rumors started flying regarding our treatment of prisoners. It was clear as the evidence mounted of abuse torture and death in our dentention centers. It was documented as memos were written explaining why the criminal bush administration need not bother with the GC. It was documented as the felonious Mr. Bush signed away the McCain anti-torture bill, explaining that he would continue to torture as he saw fit.

There is nothing at all vague about he GC. You cannot abuse prisoners.

[texpatriot2004]

10. Agreed! And I might add that the Cover-Up Congress is in a

pickle here. If they retroactively change the law to save Georgie's ass then they become complicit in the war crimes and can be tried themselves...

hmm, never met a politician who didn't save their own ass first and yet many of the corrupt GOP members are in too deep to back out now IMHO

This will be interesting...

[kentuck]

11. The Geneva Convention is an agreement between nations...

No one nation can retroactively change the rules without the approval of all the others. When we signed on to the agreement, it is the law of the land. We cannot change it retroactively, no matter how much Mr Bush might want to do so.

[Disturbed]

12. Let us get specific.

What is a war crime?
By Tarik Kafala
BBC News Online


Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention defines war crimes as: "Willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, including... willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health, unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement of a protected person, compelling a protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile power, or willfully depriving a protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial, ...taking of hostages and extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1420133.stm



Willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment

Willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health

Unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement of a protected person

willfully depriving a protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial,


As CIC, is there any doubt that Busholini has authorized all of the above?

[chat_noir]

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