I received this from a friend of a friend of a right winger

[Th1onein]

I know this is sure to be 99.9% bullshit, but I've been asked to form a reply, and I would like some help from you guys, if you can give it to me.



Do we need this in the White House Again?


Just a few people Clinton didn't have to Pardon.

1. James McDougal
Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of a n apparent heart attack,
while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.

2. Mary Mahoney
A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop
in Georgetown . The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story
of sexual harassment in the White House.

3. Vince Foster
Former white House councilor,
and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm.
Died of a gunshot wound to the head; ruled a suicide .

4. Ron Brown
Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman.
Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash.
A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of
Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

5. C. Victor Raiser II & Montgomery Raiser
Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization.
Died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

6. Paul Tulley
Democratic National Committee Political Director
found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992.
Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".

7. Ed Willey
Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a
gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife
Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House.
Ed Willey was involved i n several Clinton fund raising events.

8. Jerry Parks
Head of Clinton 's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .
Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock .
Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton .
He allegedly threatened to reveal this information.
After he died, the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

9. James Bunch
Died from a gunshot suicide.
It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which co ntained names
of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas .

10. James Wilson
Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide.
He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.


11. Kathy Ferguson
Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994,
in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even
though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere.
Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones
lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

12. Bill Shelton
Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson.
Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994
of a gunshot wound. Also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

13. Gandy Baugh
Attorney for Clinton's friend Dan Lassater,
died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994.
His client was a convicted drug distributor.

14. Florence Martin
Accountant and sub-contractor for the CIA,
was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case.
He died of three gunshot wounds.

15. Suzanne Coleman
Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General.
Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head; ruled a suicide.
Was pregnant at the time of her death.

16. Paula Grober
Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992.
She died in a one car accident.

17. Danny Casolaro
Investigative reporter.
Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority.
He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.

18. Paul Wilcher
Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment.
Had delivered a report to Janet Reno three weeks before his death.

19. Jon Parnell Walker
Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corporation.
Jumped to his death from his Arlington , Virginia apartment balcony August15, 1993.
He was investigating the Morgan Guarantee scandal.

20. Barbara Wise
Commerce Department staffer.
Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang.
Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996 .
Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

21. Charles Meissner
Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance.
Died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

22. Dr. Stanley Heard
Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee.
Died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash.
Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council,
personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.

23. Barry Seal
Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas ; death was no accident.

24. Johnny Lawhorn Jr.
Mechanic
Found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop.
He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.

25. Stanley Huggins
Investigated Madison Guarantee.
His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.


26. Hershell Friday
Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

27. Kevin Ives & Don Henry
Known as "The boys on the track" case.
Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation.
A controversial case, the initial report of death said ...
"due to falling asleep on railroad tracks."
Later reports claim the two boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks.
Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.


THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION
IN THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

28. Keith Coney
Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, July 88.
< BR>29. Keith McMaskle
Died.
(A slight understatment)
Stabbed 113 times, Nov 1988

30. Gregory Collins
Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

31. Jeff Rhodes
He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

33. James Milan
Found decapitated.
However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural causes".

34. Jordan Kettleson
Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

35. Richard Winters
A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths.
He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.


THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:

36. Major William S. Barkley Jr.
37. Captain Scott J. Reynolds
38. Sgt. Brian Hanley
39. Sgt. Tim Sabel
40. Major General William Robertson
41. Col. William Densberger
42. Col. Robert Kelly
43. Spec. Gary Rhodes
44. Steve Willis
45. Robert Williams
46. Conway LeBleu
47. Todd McKeehan


Quite an impressive list!
Pass this on.
Let the public become aware of what happens to friends of the Clinton 's!

[teach1st]

1. Why couldn't you have searched?

http://www.alternet.org/story/10519/

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/clinton.htm

[bryant69]

6. The Snopes is really good

And really solid reasoning.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[booley]

2. Oh ye GODS! Not this again!

Though i admit this has become rediculously easy to refute.

It's the Clinton Body Count fable. Go to snopes.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/clinton.htm

Sheesh cons are dumb. You would think they would know better then this by now.

.....

*List every dead person with even the most tenuous of connections to your subject. It doesn't matter how these people died, or how tangential they were to your subject's life. The longer the list, the more impressive it looks and the less likely anyone is to challenge it. By the time readers get to the bottom of the list, they'll be too weary to wonder what could possibly be relevant about the death of Clinton's mother's chiropractor.
* Play word games. Make sure every death is presented as "mysterious." All accidental deaths are to be labelled "suspicious," even though by definition accidents occur when something unexpected goes wrong. Every self-inflicted death discussed must include the phrase "ruled a suicide," to imply just the opposite. When an autopsy contradicts a "mysterious death" theory, dispute it; when none was performed because none was needed, claim that "no autopsy was allowed." Make liberal use of words such as 'allegedly' and 'supposedly' to dismiss facts you can't contradict with hard evidence.
* Make sure every inconsistency or unexplained detail you can dredge up is offered as evidence of a conspiracy, no matter how insignificant or pointless it may be. If an obvious suicide is discovered wearing only one shoe, ignore the physical evidence of self-inflicted death and dwell on the missing shoe. You don't have to establish an alternate theory of the death; just keep harping that the missing shoe "can't be explained."
* If the data doesn't fit your conclusion, ignore it. You don't have to explain why the people who claim to have the most damaging goods on Clinton — Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Linda Tripp, Monica Lewinsky, Kenneth Starr — are still walking around unscathed while dozens of bit players have been bumped off. It's inconvenient for you, so don't mention it.
* Most importantly, don't let facts and details stand in your way! If you can pass off a death by pneumonia as a "suicide," do it! If a cause of death contradicts your conspiracy theory, claim it was "never determined." If your chronology of events is impossible, who cares? It's not like anybody is going to check up on this stuff . . .

[John Gauger]

7. I very much recommend reading what Snopes has to say about this

It was a fascinating read, seeing them deconstruct every one of the lies. Although I have changed my mind about what they say about Waco. I do blame Clinton and Reno for that. THere was just no justification for killing all those innocent people. But that is more Reno that Clinton. And that list does not contain the names of anyone who was killed by Clinton's bombing of other countries. They don't count though because they are brown.

[SmokingJacket]

20. Good reading -- thanks for posting. nt

[Th1onein]

27. Thank you so much!

If I'd thought it was Snopeable, I would have Snoped. Guess I'm just tired. I'm fighting this crap on two fronts right now. And I know you guys think that maybe I shouldn't dignify this with a reply, but I think that when you have an audience, you should always shoot back--never know whose mind you're going to change with the truth.

[NewJeffCT]

29. We'll still be getting this email in 10 years

No matter how many times we debunk, somebody like Hannity or Limbaugh will mention a few of the names in passing... I mean, 2 years ago, Limbaugh implied that John Kerry had the late Sen. Heinz killed so he could marry Theresa Heinz.

[Chemical Bill]

30. I like this part of the snopes info:

Dannemeyer's list of "suspicious deaths" was largely taken from one compiled by Linda Thompson, an Indianapolis lawyer who in 1993 quit her year-old general practice to run her American Justice Federation, a for-profit group that promotes pro-gun causes and various conspiracy theories through a shortwave radio program, a computer bulletin board and sales of its newsletter and videos.

Her list, called "The Clinton Body Count: Coincidence or the Kiss of Death?" then contained the names of 34 people she believed died suspiciously and who had ties to the Clinton family. Thompson admitted she had "no direct evidence" of Clinton killing anyone. Indeed, she said the deaths were probably caused by "people trying to control the President" but refused to say who they were.

Bill

[riderinthestorm]

3. Snopes is your friend. Always check it first when you get one of these

Virtually everything circulating about the Clintons via these stupid email chain letters are refuted on Snopes.com

[ClassWarrior]

4. Reply-all and ask he/she/it to provide supporting links from...

...reliable news sources for all of this. And when he/she/it goes silent, keep badgering him/her/it for proof - via reply all, of course.

:evilgrin:

NGU.

[AusTexDem]

17. I received the Sen.Gore /Iran-Contra hearing story

from a relative who claims to be a good christian. I searched and debunked the story in two seconds. I reply-ed to all (about 20 people) with the proof and a note saying that it wasn't very christian to spread rumors and that you should take the time to check these e-mails out before you pass them around. The sender reply-ed back to everyone that it was all a test to see who would check the story out because he wanted to teach us all a lesson because as a christian he understood what it is like to be persecuted. Can you beat that.
I just sent back a note asking him not to send me anymore e-mails like that. I haven't heard for him again.

[ClassWarrior]

19. Reply-all again to the sender and ask if God permits...

...us to bear false witness under certain circumstances of our own choosing, i.e. to test people. Then go on to explain that that's the very definition of moral relativism. He ought to love that.

NGU.

[blue cat]

5. Please ask her to send

this info from snopes to all on the email list. I heard a drug rep at work talking about this. I couldn't respond at the time because she was not talking to me, but a MD told her that she didn't believe it.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/clinton.htm

[twilight_sailing]

8. Moot point

"Do we need this in the White House Again?"


In what universe is Mr. Clinton eligible for re-election?


I suppose the point that your emailer is subtly making is that a Hillary Clinton Presidency would be a repeat of Bill's Presidency.

If that were so, I would walk 500 miles to vote for her.

But is it really so? Who says so?

How does this email support the inference it is making in it's title, it's thesis statement, if you will?

Curious, aint' it?

[Just-plain-Kathy]

9. I hope your post doesn't get buried...

My anti-Clinton brother always told me Clinton did away with anyone who could get in his way. I never wanted to believe him. I wonder how much truth there is to these allegations. Wasn't Bush Sr. accused of the same kind of methods?

As I said, I don't want to believe Clinton to be this kind of man, but at the same time, if republicans are led to believe these accusations are true, no wonder Clinton is hated by them with so much passion and hate.

[Individualist]

11. You wonder how much truth there is...???

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/clinton.htm

[nini]

16. You've got to be kidding

Were you conscious during Clinton's term and endured all the lying bullshit attacks on him?? You actually wonder if the right wing bullshit carries any weight????????

You don't want to believe Clinton is this kind of man.then go do some research and find the truth. Your naivety is sickening. I'm trying really hard not to call you a troll, but I have to wonder.

[LibraLiz1973]

22. I dont think she is a troll

Just copied and pasted in such a way that you thought she said it

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

23. hmm check profile

[Just-plain-Kathy]

26. Thank you.

[LostinVA]

33. Copied and pasted from where?

The poster DID say it.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

24. nini. No troll here....

You could search my name, every post I ever wrote is pro-democratic. I want us to win in November.

After reading this laundry list of deaths that have been supposedly traced back to the Clinton administration I came to realize why republicans hate Clinton so much. It's not because of an affair, it's because *THEY* believe these murders were in Clinton's hands.

I know Clinton was the best president we had in my lifetime. With that said, I don't think there's anything wrong with questioning our leaders. We're suppose to be smarter than the repukes. ...I often wondered why half our country hated Clinton so intensely. I found this post very enlightening as to why republicans feel the way they do.

[nini]

34. We know why they believe what they do

They do believe the lies. However, saying we wonder if any of this may be true shows we also buy their crap on some level. That's my point. You shouldn't look at an email full of the lies might hold 'some' weight since there were so many things listed.


I know why republicans feel the way they do- they've got their heads in the sand.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

18. You "wonder how much truth there is". Can you offer any documentation

or proof of them? Okay then.

[LostinVA]

32. You have GOT to be kidding

Or just trying to "fool" us.... whatever.

[Bridget Burke]

39. Clinton is hated because he was Elected President...

How DARE a Democrat aspire to the highest office in the land? What's more--he beat Bush the Smarter out of a second term.

These lies were part of the witch hunt that almost brought Clinton down--the hatred came before the "scandals."

Was Clinton perfect? No. But comparing Bush Jr to him only makes The Unelected One look like a pathetic yet dangerous little fool.

[Parisle]

10. Danny Casolero Is An Obvious Lie,....

---- I've seen this crap before, too. And I was also a journalist and covering the Casolero story at the time of his suspicious death. Casolero was actually homing in on some vital linkage in the BCCI scandal,... connecting the Saudis (and bin Laden family) to the GOP Treasury Dept, and the Bush family all to the crooked bank. It was a big story for about a week, and then suddenly it disappeared from media coverage. Best source for details that I am aware of is the coverage by the Village Voice. Try a google. This was around 1988, Ok? And Casolero's death definitely looked suspiciously tied to the republican administration and/or the Bush family,... CIA involved as well. It was a travesty.

[pa28]

12. I really like the one about Ron Brown.

Claims Brown had a "a hole in his skull resembling a gunshot wound" at the time of death. Conveniently forgets to mention he died in a plane crash.

Don't give it the dignity of a reply.

[China_cat]

14. You could also try

"that's all?" Last count for Bush was almost 3000, too many to list by name here. Documented.

[nini]

13. send the names of all the dead soldiers in Iraq

who died for lies.

That's what we don't need in the white house ever again.

[roamer65]

38. Yes, I second this motion!

[katsy]

15. Send this back...

http://icasualties.org/oif/Details.aspx

courtesy of bushco/halliburton.

[donco6]

21. How about 100% bullshit.

Why bother? They've convinced Clinton MURDERED all these people! As if anything you could say could pull them out of psychosis.

[Harper_is_Bush]

25. Here's the response: FUCK OFF!

It's tin foil hat stuff. Tell him to go to hell/fuck off and die/eat shit and die/some variant of that.

[anarch]

28. hell, that's nothing. Every single person connected to Lincoln is dead

Clearly, Lincoln was a cold-blooded killer. Worse than John Gotti.

[JHB]

31. Ask them how they can stand the smell of trash that old!

If they have a case to make, demand that they make it (they won't because they don't).

Off the top of my head:
Jim McDougal died from poor health, and it was Starr & co. who controlled the conditions under which he was kept. When his ex-wife wouldn't lie to back up the lies Starr & co. convinced him to tell, they let him rot.

Casolaro: If he's on anybody's "body count list", it's the BFFE's.

Vince Foster: investigated eight ways to sunday: insinuating it was anything other than a suicide stands as proof of the idiocy and dishonesty of this list.


and so on...

[newspeak]

36. well, one can look at Vince Foster's death with a different perspective

Clinton was newly elected supposedly to rejuvenate social programs, such as a health insurance plan, especially after Reagan and Bush-but Bush needed to get re-elected to continue that path for a NWO, and further weaken social infrastructure- but he didn't, so Foster was the shot across the bow, to keep Clinton in line--health insurance plan dropped, NAFTA-GATT passed, Telecommunications Act passed, Welfare deform act passed. And the biggest thing, is no follow up on the Iran-Contra, BCCI scandal. Then, with a Republican Congress, spend millions of taxpayers money to investigate bogus allegations, so that he becomes ineffectual. Throw the McDougals in prison until they lie for you. Well, see, I can start a rumor also, and lay the death of Vince Foster at someone else's feet. After all, Vince Foster was a dear friend of the Clintons, so dear, that maybe he was used as a message. So, how's my tinfoil hat?:tinfoilhat: ;-)

[TheFriedPiper]

35. 100% of all armed robbers used oxygen before and during their crime

obviously, oxygen causes armed robbery

:eyes:

[yellowcanine]

37. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

These are all assertions without any evidence. The burden of proof is on those peddling this nonsense. Tell them that. That is all you have to say because if you start debunking these one by one, they will just say, "Ok you might be right about that one, but about this one here?" You can't win at that game. It is just the same as the JFK conspiracy theories - the burden of proof lies with those making the claims.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

40. My hairdresser said new info will be coming out re: Whitewater

that will "damn" the Clintons.

I told her that they had already spent $40 million and spent 8 years on that witchhunt already and they hadn't found anything.

This same woman, however believes that Bush was behind 9/11 - so go figure...

[karlrschneider]

41. Here you go

http://www.stewwebb.com/Murder%20Bush%20Body%20Count%20Part%201.html