They Could Torture You Too

[kpete]

They Could Torture You Too

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Notice that Section 1003 of 'The Detainee Treatment Act of 2005' makes reference to the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution. This is the standard by which we are to treat Detainees. It's already the law, and has been for some time now. If this is so, then why the persistent perception that there is debate concerning the treatment of Detainees? Surely, we are not considering providing a 'Terrorist' with protections beyond those that we ourselves enjoy. No, of course not. It's a fabricated debate to keep us from seeing what is really happening.

The 'Military Commissions Act of 2006' references Section 1003 of 'The Detainee Act of 2005,' which it then refers to 18 USC 2340. The Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments referenced in Section 1003 are being defined by 18 USC 2340. This opens the door to an unprecedented increase in federal and state police powers, with regard to US citizens, because the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments are congressionally cast in terms of 18 USC 2340.

Interrogation techniques such as 'The Cold Cell,' 'Long Standing,' and 'Water Boarding' would then be within range of US citizens because such tactics are not prohibited by 18 USC 2340, which is the new standard by which to measure violations of the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments.

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much more at:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/9/16/2126/57283

[smoogatz]

1. That's really the whole point of this dog & pony show, isn't it? n/t

[EFerrari]

8. Yes, it is. One of the attorneys for those poor rounded up

people after 9/11 was told by the Justice Department that this president believes he can snatch ANYONE AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON.

That's the new rules, folks.

[Warren Stupidity]

10. And the logical conclusion is that they expect civil unrest

in the United States.

[EFerrari]

14. Or that they believe they can prevent unrest by intimidating us.

So far, it seems to be working.

[John Gauger]

17. People in this country just don't have the fightin' spirit

I was tellin my brother just earlier that people in this country just don't get dangerously angry - not about matters of state. He mentioned taking away SocSec from those who are already receiving it. I said I think that they could get away with it because people in this country don't get as angry as they do in say South America aobut this shit.

[Land Shark]

20. No, they are just met at every turn by folks CLAIMING they don't

and so they all give up ahead of time, and dejectedly conclude that their fellow americans don't have the fighting spirit. Regardless of whether or not this is based on anything objective OUTSIDE the reinforcement of this powerlessness dynamic, it doesn't help and in fact it actively hurts to reinforce the idea that the government can do almost anything and people won't fight. Especially in a country marked by a large civil war, by successful movements for women's suffrage, civil rights, environmental protection, freedom of information, and so on....

[AllegroRondo]

12. Can we put up the Big Brother posters yet?

He's watching you, but he loves and protects you.

[mmonk]

2. Yes.

And only they define who and what they want to do since it isn't all expressly written down and codified.

[Phredicles]

3. And "I'm not doing anything wrong" won't get you very far because

the administration will be making themselves the judge of that.

[JVS]

4. Not if I bite off my hands and tongue!

[lisainmilo]

5. YEP!

I think thats what keeps people from acting, I am not sure. It keeps me more outspoken! Also, that is why Bush has a sudden rush to pass his new bill, he wants more and more control, all the while he is losing control. He demands allegiance to himself only and cares nothing about this country or frankly anyone. They have recently announced that they will be "testing" microwave devices on the American public for "crowd control", which as I posted a couple of days ago. They are already using these and other devices like them in Iraq. The video I provided had a statement by the WORLD human rights organization. The guy who was representing said, THE UNITED STATES MUST BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT USING THESE DEVICES. IT IS NOT LIKE A GUNSHOT WHERE A PERSON MAY BE SHOT IN THE LEG AND STOPPED. THESE DEVICES ARE MEANT TO CAUSE and INFLICT PAIN AND CAN BE CONSIDERED TORTURE. THE UNITED STATES HAS NOT GIVEN US THE DATA FOR THESE DEVICES." The video spoke about finding people in mass graves who were "shrunk" The graves looked like small 3 ft x 2 ft. These devices also burned the teeth and face of people and left the bodys completely intact.

Then last night I came across an author William Thomas, who lives in BC ( I think, I linked him to my site) anyway, he states that they have been using these devices since 2005!

Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld, and the Generals involved in this war could be considered war criminals, as the physicians and I am sure the makers of the video have already inquired the pentagon about this "EXPERIMENTAL DEVICES" Now I wonder is this why Bush was in a hysteria this last week??


I just wish there would be a mass protest and I mean a MASS protest. That, I think is the only way to get the full attention of the media and for that matter our democratic leaders.
I really don't understand why more is not being said. I really don't!

[Stardust]

6. There's a website with enough pix to convince anyone that we do

torture people. www.thenausea.com

I was only able to look at a few of them, but I wish they would be published by the MSM. I honestly feel that many Americans would be sickened by what's happening and begin to change their allegiance.

[Matariki]

7. or hooding people and pepper spraying inside them.

which i've read accounts of happening in US prisons. We already are torturing US citizens. For quite a while.

[converted_democrat]

9. Scary shit, thank you for posting this..K&R..n/t

[indepat]

11. Enough to make one wonder if they like it

[undergroundpanther]

15. Yes

1 in 4 people are sociopaths and sociopaths get off on torturing people.

It's empathy that makes us as human as we are, while helping us to manage our most violent feelings.
We don't kill others or ourselves because we still see the human being in others, and ourselves and feel sympathy or caring.
When our sense of connection is gone, then any kind of violence can be unleashed.

People who torture others have lost touch with their own humanity. No longer able to care about themselves, they grow to hate others. Desperate to have any kind of feeling, they torture feelings out of others.

Sociopaths have NO EMPATHY.That is WHY they can torture people.

For me I simply say if you can detect a sociopath by observing his actions and history of crimes,KILL the sociopaths don't torture don't trap,just kill them quickly.This is giving the torturer much more mercy than he gives his victims. It does not diminish your character to kill a torturer.In fact it shows you have character and you DO care about yourself and protecting others quality of life as well from a degenerate individual who will not stop torturing until they are dead...I think.

Killing isn't evil if it is done quickly with minimal pain, we kill fleas and pests quickly. And we don't feel remorse over it.The animals we eat we hope are killed fast and not tortured.(but with factory farms it looks like they are tortured.) I'd rather die than face torture again.Quality of life matters more than mere existence to me. 20 years of therapy has not taken away the pain and despair and symptoms of PSTD I face everyday.

Torture does not stop when the victim is safe from the sadistic assholes ,it keeps on going on inside the person long after the event,and it keeps wounding.Trauma scars the brain.It shatters the self and destroys you forever. That is why torture is evil.This is why DEATH is preferable to torture. Death is mercy.Torturers desperately try to not LET THEIR VICTIMS DIE,for a reason..They do not want to give mercy to the victim.

TORTURE is evil and WRONG always..Torture is designed to destroy a person and make them live through it..and die slowly from the inside out.
Death is mercy compared to torture.

Torture and the people who do it MUST NOT BE allowed to continue to torture people .They must be killed because they don't stop on their own because they have no empathy..Torturers get off on it ,they like it, they make a career of it to get away with it. they are sociopaths and sociopaths do NOT reform.Sociopaths lack empathy the very component that makes us human..

[snappyturtle]

13. K&R Yes--"they're" after us, you and me.

AND, "they" want this in working order before the revolution circa 2006-2008!

[Danger Mouse]

16. Can.

And will.
And the American people will cheer. Enemies of the state get what they deserve from our great leader.
It's enough to make you puke.

[Jcrowley]

18. Cover For Bush Crimes

SEC. 9. RETROACTIVE APPLICATION.

This Act shall take effect on the date of the enactment of
this Act and shall apply retroactively, including to any
aspect of the detention, treatment, or trial of any person
detained at any time since September 11, 2001, and to any
claim or cause of action pending on or after the date of the
enactment of this Act.

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2006_cr/s3861.html

[Fire Walk With Me]

19. Form an army of masochists to wear them out. We win!