The issue is LAWBREAKING not LAWCHANGING. Dems, Congress, anyone.........?

[omega minimo]

Are any Democrats in Congress connecting the dots and pointing out the obvious? Or would that threaten Capitol Hill "decorum"?

DU seems all over the map this Monday morning-- while the Big Story might be the Repuglicans trying to change laws that a federal court ruled (on John Marc Karr Day) that this president had already violated.

Are the Democrats in Congress going to take this bull by the horns or go along with the script that BushRoveCo. has outlined for them? Are they going to pretend to forget to bring up that the issue is LAWBREAKING not LAWCHANGING (to retroactively allow IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES)?

[spanone]

1. They control the 'story' as always. There is NO compromise to torture.

Bush* has ALREADY broken the law.

[tk2kewl]

2. Nice frame.

:thumbsup:

[helderheid]

3. 2nd that - and recommended

[omega minimo]

4. Is THAT what it's called?

:eyes: :hi:

[Marr]

5. GW Bush is breaking the law. The proper response is to prosecute the

law, not to change it.

I agree with you- this is the right angle. It highlights the GOPs outright corruption.

[omega minimo]

7. Any legislators or anyone else saying this? I'm not seeing it

:hi:

[hootinholler]

6. Even if the law is changed.

It was still broken, and not just any law, this is no freakin speeding ticket, in cases of torture induced death capital punishment is on the table.

A retroactive law cannot stand, it is unconstitutional. Force Bush to pardon them by prosecuting them.

I wonder what would happen if a bunch of us filed complaints with the FBI?

-Hoot

[tbyg52]

8. From the department of broken records (i.e., me)

No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
United States Constitution, Section I, Article 9.

(And they emphasized it in Article 10 by saying states couldn't do it either.)

"An ex post facto law is a law passed after the occurrence of an event or action which retrospectively changes the legal consequences of the event or action."
http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e086.htm

[omega minimo]

10. And if the law violated IS the Constitution, all the more reason to

not post ex facto. :patriot:


Problem here is though that there isn't much of any DISCUSSION about the fact that discussing changing the law is absurd under the circumstances. WHY DO THEY LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THIS SHITE? :wtf:

[David Zephyr]

9. Exactly.

"Craft me a law that legalizes (ex post facto) my war crimes and my violating the constitution by spying on Americans" and give me that law now, damn you" George W. Bush.

[texpatriot2004]

11. Yep, that about sums it up nm

[texpatriot2004]

12. Excellent post nm

[omega minimo]

13. Obliged, TP04

Haven't seen mucha you lately.

Do you see anyone raising this?

[texpatriot2004]

15. Hi there, no I haven't seen or heard anyone raising this point

but it is an excellent frame for this issue.

[Jcrowley]

14. Precisely what is happening

SEC. 9. RETROACTIVE APPLICATION.

This Act shall take effect on the date of the enactment of
this Act and shall apply retroactively, including to any
aspect of the detention, treatment, or trial of any person
detained at any time since September 11, 2001, and to any
claim or cause of action pending on or after the date of the
enactment of this Act.

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2006_cr/s3861.html

K&R

[omega minimo]

16. Hey thanks Jcrowley! I love your books!!

and din't you have that ginormous thread that just slipped off the top of the Greatest page? Thought about cross linking to help get the momentum going.............

:hi:

[tbyg52]

19. Retroactively = Ex Post Facto!

Somebody needs to teach these people some Latin!!!!!!!!!!!

(Not to mention show them what the Constitution is......)

[CarlVK]

17. But so much of DU poo-poos impeachment.....

because it might not be a good PARTY move.

Apparently holding lawbreakers ACCOUNTABLE for their actions isn't an admirable ethic anymore.

[omega minimo]

18. Well first they have to understand the law

A good reason to keep public education on the Democratic To-Do List
.:hi: