Clinton: "I am sick of Karl Rove's bullshit."

[Opusnone]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eat-the-press/2006/09/18/remnick-on-clinton-on-eve_e_29704.html

New article (23 pages) in New Yorker, by David Remnick.

"Clinton on the vote to go into Iraq: "I'm sick and tired of being told that if you voted for authorization you voted for the war. It was a mistake, and I would have made it, too....The administration did not shoot straight on the nuclear issue or on Saddam's supposed ties to Al Qaeda prior to 9/11."

[lvx35]

1. Yeah. What the Republican critics of Dems who voted for it

...are really criticizing is being dumb enough to trust Bush, which is what the Dems did. I guess we've learned our lesson by now!

[msongs]

2. does "did not shoot straight" mean they LIED?? why not just say it? nt

[Opusnone]

3. Because he is still a politician

[mazzarro]

5. I am TIRED of Dems not saying directly that Mr. bush LIED!

If Dems had started doing so long ago, I think that by now it would have come to be an accepted conclusion and would have impacted his approval rating negatively. Also it would have made it a lot easier to counter all this cage rattling and fear mongering claims he has been making lately. I even believe that the sooner Dems started pasting him and his administration as liers, the better we will be in countering the inevitable October surprise that is bound to come from KKKarl Rove!

[Opusnone]

6. The talking point now is that everyone thought there were WMD's

It's a hard one to get around in a sound bite society, but the best answer is "WE didn't invade another country because of what we thought MIGHT be true."

[Lasher]

16. Good point, but everyone didn't believe Saddam had WMDs

2001: Powell & Rice Declare Iraq Has No WMD and Is Not a Threat

A more detailed version of who said what, when

Experts Believed No Iraqi WMDs in 2001

I've done my part. Now fit that all into a sound bite.

I've got a good counter to the 'stay the course' sound bite: But we're headed for the rocks!

[Just-plain-Kathy]

8. I'm tired of the Dems not talking about war profiteering....

For the life of me I can't understand how republicans could dig up anything, but not one democratic leader is talking about the Carlyle Group, or Halliburton. ...We haven't heard about the Bird flu since Rummy got his cut.

Why aren't we talking about PNAC and RAD? These are all facts, why aren't the Democrats using them?!

[blm]

12. I'm tired of Clinton speaking out of both sides of his mouth. 2 months ago

he said RFK made a compelling case that Kerry actually won. IN FRONT OF ALTERNATE PRESS.

Then he never followed up on that remark in any public way. Now he's back to mocking Kerry as a loser in the mainstream press. What an asshole.

Clinton couldn't have even won in 1992 if it hadn't been for certain Senators and congressmen riding Bush1's ass throughout his entire term and exposing alot of his covert and corrupt dealings. And the main senator leading the way was John Kerry.

[Parisle]

4. Yeah, great,.... but..

.....Clinton needs to say that to Bush's face.

[Seabiscuit]

13. What Clinton really needs to do is sue Disney and ABC.

Until he does I won't have any respect for him.

[niallmac]

7. What makes millions of people here and in other countries so smart?

They and I demonstrated in the streets before the Iraq War started because we knew in our hearts it
was a crock. That's why we marched.

Do you wonder why I have such a hard time with people who live inside the Beltway
being fooled about the war?

It's almost like they feared the fear driven nationalist frenzy momentum that had enveloped the
country at the time and forgot what defending the Constitution was all about.
Ya know? It's almost like that.

[OzarkDem]

9. On WaPo's Susan Schmidt

"A Xerox machine for Ken Starr."

[dogday]

10. Feingold understood what it meant

He did not vote for it or cave into the pressure of Patriotism... I am so proud of him...


I don't care if anyone voted for it, only that they have since renounced their vote...

[blm]

11. Clinton could have STOPPED showing up on TV supporting Bush 2001-2004

for starters.

Did Clinton have ANYTHING to say about how sorry he is that he closed the books on IranContra, BCCI, Iraqgate and CIA drugrunning so Poppy Bush could have a "peacefyl retirement" ?

Doesn't he regret that he let Poppy off the hook for supporting and protecting terrorism all those years?

[Lasher]

14. Dupe

This version's on the front page:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2166701

[Liberal Dose]

15. How is it that WE KNEW they were lying and Congress didn't?

WE KNEW and we were posting that Powell lied to the UN, KNEW and were posting that Bush lied about yellow cake, etc. etc. etc. I still want to know how the hell that happened. Every Democrat who voted for authorization needs to explain that to me. :spank:

[kskiska]

17. Hans Blix was out there telling us there were no WMD

along with David Kay and even the Chimp's own Darfur. They all said the same thing. It wasn't what they all wanted to hear. The Chimp still says that Hussein "wouldn't allow the inspectors in," when actually, they had to leave because the war was about to begin regardless of their opinions.

[Straight Shooter]

18. The only "deer in the headlights" that I saw, was bush at the debates.

Kerry handled himself just fine.

Clinton is the quintessential politician. And I'm not saying that as a compliment.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

19. 59 MILLION VOTES

Kerry attracted a lot of fellow deer in that case.
Clinton is really over-reaching with that kind of charaterization. God he can be annoying.

[rman]

20. If was a fundamental error to hand over the authority to declare war

to the president. It is unconstitutional and unprecedented in any democracy, and took the US closer to totalitarian rule.

[LWolf]

21. Yes, and that "fundamental error"

cost lives. I don't think that's an acceptable error, no matter who defends it.

[blm]

22. Gonzalez admitted a few months back that IWR did NOT give them war powers

For the last few years they have been SPINNING the IWR as if it did give them full authority, but it never did. The media let them get away with it and repeated the WH line that it was a vote for war. It never was.

Democrats who kept saying that Bush was rushing to war without first allowing the guidelines to work were shouted down in the media, and even by some on the left who refused to hear them.