British Army expert casts doubt on 'liquid explosives' threat, Al Qaeda...

[lala_rawraw]

Sources: August terror plot is a 'fiction' underscoring police failures
Nafeez Ahmed

British Army expert casts doubt on 'liquid explosives' threat, Al Qaeda network in UK Identified

Lieutenant-Colonel (ret.) Nigel Wylde, a former senior British Army Intelligence Officer, has suggested that the police and government story about the "terror plot" revealed on 10th August was part of a "pattern of lies and deceit."

British and American government officials have described the operation which resulting in the arrest of 24 mostly British Muslim suspects, as a resounding success. Thirteen of the suspects have been charged, and two released without charges.

According to security sources, the terror suspects were planning to board up to ten civilian airliners and detonate highly volatile liquid explosives on the planes in a spectacular terrorist operation. The liquid explosives -- either TATP (Triacetone Triperoxide), DADP (diacetone diperoxide) or the less sensitive HMTD (hexamethylene triperoxide diamine) -- were reportedly to be made on board the planes by mixing sports drinks with a peroxide-based household gel and then be detonated using an MP3 player or mobile phone.

But Lt. Col. Wylde, who was awarded the Queen's Gallantry Medal for his command of the Belfast Explosive Ordnance Disposal Unit in 1974, described this scenario as a "fiction." Creating liquid explosives is a "highly dangerous and sophisticated task," he states, one that requires not only significant chemical expertise but also appropriate equipment.

Terror plot scenario "untenable"

"The idea that these people could sit in the plane toilet and simply mix together these normal household fluids to create a high explosive capable of blowing up the entire aircraft is untenable," said Lt. Col. Wylde, who was trained as an ammunition technical officer responsible for terrorist bomb disposal at the Royal Army Ordnance Corps in Sandhurst.

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[sweetheart]

1. Its all that duty free whisky

The terror plot was to get drunk in the toilet and throw up on the cabin attendant... terrorists!!

[lala_rawraw]

2. and for this, i had to pack my inhaler in my

luggage

[sweetheart]

4. not without my inhaler

And for this, i've spent the summer hill walking.
Fuck the airlines, i don't need to *pay* for a prison shakedown.

[Art_from_Ark]

9. ...and my bottle of Crystal Geyser was confiscated...

:banghead:

[KittyWampus]

3. Oopsie Daisy!

[TomInTib]

5. Anyone knowing anything about explosives saw thru this on Day 1

Mixing liquids under laboratory conditions take an inorinate amount of time and has great risks.

Attempting this on an airplane would result in a flash fire and that's about it.

[BuyingThyme]

6. Imagine what they could do with a little baking soda and vinegar.

[sweetheart]

7. Or some dried bud!!

Those terrorists might have been planning to get stoned on the aircraft,
possibly mixing the chemical reaction in the bathroom and blowing the smoke
after a long-held inhalation down the toilet flush air vacuum. And then,
when the chemicals were mixed in the brain, the stoned terrorist might have
smiled even, and maybe been able to sleep.

[TomInTib]

13. I say let's bar those 5th graders from flying...

Have you heard about Mentos and Pepsi?

It'll blow your effing mind.

[lonestarnot]

15. It's amazing isn't it, what one has to educate themselves about in

order to sort through the lies of this fucking outrageous bunch of scoundrels.

[TomInTib]

16. 'educate'? And I misspelled 'inordinate'..

but no kidding, ... where were the demo experts when this bullshit story hit?

This is one of the most batshit-crazy stories, ever.

[lonestarnot]

17. More nutfuckery!

[lonestarnot]

18. Hugh? I misspelled? educate?

Not me OMG :rofl: Thank God for spell cheek.

[Old and In the Way]

8. Well it sure was a great story.

I forget, what outrage did it help to distract/deflect? Or was it some real news....like LaMont's win?

[BuyingThyme]

11. It was Supreme Court calling the Chimp a criminal, wasn't it?

But was it the NSA crimes or the torture crimes?

[BurtWorm]

10. This was reported by a couple of blogs right after the story broke

within days. They're not listening. It suits them to keep making people jump through hoops at airport security for no good reason.

[mmonk]

12. Yeah, I didn't hear from many chemists that believed it.

We had a family member die in Colorado which most members flew out to attend the funeral. Another family member was hospitalized while on the trip and had to come back in a wheel chair. They were of course, delayed and had to have certain things thrown away before boarding a plane back. All that hassle for nothing, really. Well, probably for politics.

[Dem2theMax]

14. I am absolutely shocked!

:sarcasm:


I probably didn't need the sarcasm tag, did I? ;)

[Porcupine]

19. The point was to arrest some "Terrorists" w/household chemicals.

By rounding up 22 "Terrorists" they were sure to get the appropriate chemicals and then could make any claims they wanted about the alleged "Terrorists" intent and ability to make said explosives.

If you have a pool and a charcoal barbeque you have the ingredients for a bomb; you must be a terrorist. It was total bullshit from the beggining; almost as lame as the Florida "kung fu" terror cell.

[DemReadingDU]

20. K&R

[leveymg]

21. The liquid explosives idea was advanced by an MI6 agent provocateur

Perhaps, knowing that it was entirely impractical. See, http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/17/174059/211 There is, however, the disturbing "success" of Ramzi Yusuf killing a Japanese passenger and blowing a hole in the side of a 747 outbound from the Philippines in 1995. I still have not seen how the methodology Yusuf applied is specifically different from this?

Anyone?

[mom cat]

22. Thanks for posting this refutation of chicken little.

:toast: