Conservatives Say Religion Under Attack....

[and-justice-for-all]

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2436980

Yes, ABC news....

Blah, what else can I say about this article of nonsence. First, religion is NOT under attack, but their antics and bigotry is. Thats not attacking their religion, its pointing out the obvious idiocracies that they display on a daily bases. No one is protesting Churches are they?? No one is trying to amend the Constitution so they can not worship the G-D of their choice.

[B Calm]

1. Tax free and still bitching....

[oncall247]

24. Yet these hypocrites will not support the one church that the IRS is going

after because Cindy Sheehan spoke there. I just heard Jesse Jackson defending this church and making the point that if this church loses its IRS exemption than what about those churches who practically campained for Bush and had Bush speak to the congreation from the pulpit. What about Hagee, Robertson, Dobson, Falwell and others who make no bones about "faith-based" Federal support and who paint Bush opponents as agents of the devil and terrorists?

[mmonk]

2. Secularism is under attack.

The real truth of what is going on.

[Rockholm]

20. Very true. This needs to be the response every time.

When I was a kid, everyone it seemed was "of some religion" and nobody ever talked about it. It was just a matter of being. I was (am) Episcopalian, living in a heavily Jewish neighborhood, with a handful of Lebanese tossed in for good luck. This was in coastal South Carolina. As far as I can recall, religion was no big deal.
When and why has "religion" become such an issue? Faith is one thing and the media should really stay away from that. Faith is an internal thing. Did Walter Cronkite do specials on "What would Jesus do?" No. But CNN would devote hours on the very subject.

[Skidmore]

3. Dragging us all back to the Dark Ages, only with

better technology.

[Philosoraptor]

4. pat and jerry have reinforced this notion for 30 years now.

they love to play the put upon martyr, nobody understands me, I'm above all of those sinners, etc.

I've looked around, and nowhere do I see religion under attack, nowhere.

[orpupilofnature57]

5. It's their need to claim the Cross, like they do the Flag and eagle

and by trying to interject racism ,homophobia ,and greed, make them babbling idiot's. **

[and-justice-for-all]

6. Here, Here!

[wagthedogwar]

7. I hope they go to hell

all of these fucking whiny fake christians who spend all their time hating everyone else.

Hey fuckheads, god is a big fat black lesbian, and she's pissed at ya.

[NC_Nurse]

8. Time to start the bullshit up -

get the base out to vote. Pull out the same old song and dance....:eyes:

[ray of light]

9. get this!

In my email...a chain of letters:

WRITE IT ON THE BACK OF YOUR
ENVELOPES

WE THINK THIS A GREAT IDEA. WE'LL START WRITING IT ON THE FRONT OF
OUR ENVELOPES, TOO!

You may have heard in the news that a couple of Post Offices in
Texas have been forced to take down small posters that say "IN GOD
WE TRUST,"
The law, they say, is being violated.

Anyway, we heard proposed on a radio station show, that we should
all write "IN GOD WE TRUST" on the back of all our mail. After
all, that's our National Motto, and it's on all the money we use
to buy those stamps. We think it's a wonderful idea.

We must take back our nation from all the people who think that
anything that offends them should be
removed.

If you like this idea, please pass it on and DO IT. The idea of writing or stamping "! IN GOD WE TRUST" on our envelopes sounds good to us. WE'RE HAVING A STAMP MADE TOO!

It's been reported that 86% of Americans believe in God.
Therefore, we have a very hard time understanding why there's such a mess about having "In God We Trust! "on our money and having God in the pledge of Allegiance.
Could it be that WE just need to take action and tell the 14% to "sit down and shut up"? If you agree, pass this on, if not,
delete

next

I find these incredibly offensive, as well as incredibly ignorant.

Maybe you forget that large pieces of my life are tied up in this 14% that you write off so hatefully. Family, friends, they are MORE than a number,and NO ONE deserves to be told to sit down and shut up.

Also, if you know ANY American history, you'd know that "In God We Trust" has only been our motto since the 50's-it was added to separate us from the "godless communists"... now THERE'S Jesus' message of love! Our founders tried to steer us exactly AWAY from just this. If you don't believe me, look up the Treaty of Tripoli. The evidence is all there if you open your eyes and hearts.

All of these hateful forwards scare me. Is this what has become of Jesus teaching us to love our neighbors, and not to judge?

And as for looking away from offensive material, you're quick to cry it hear when YOU are offended that you cannot preach God from our governments buildings and functions, but is this what you(collective) said when Janet
Jackson's wardrobe malfunctioned? Or when something that you didn't like came on the television? CERTAINLY not! Isn't it amazing how the rules change?

PLEASE stop sending me these. They are ignorant, and offensive, and against the principles that the Bible and Jesus were so outspoken about!

and mine:

BEHOLD THE MAN: THE REAL JESUS

Many people are fascinated by the person of Jesus. Even when they find it impossible to accept Christian theology, they still feel that they can identify with Jesus the person and they can still find him and his ideology inspirational. They see him as someone who preached love and peace, and whose life embodied the greatest ideals.

When we look at Jesus in such idealized terms, many of the things done in his name seem blasphemous! How could people accept the extermination of the Jews and ethnic cleansing? How could the Crusaders have pillaged and destroyed entire com­munities in his name? How could the Inquisition have tor­tured people to death in the name of a man who taught that the foremost commandment was “love your neighbor as yourself”? How are such contradictions possible?

It is surprising to me that his followers did not live by Jesus' teachings or that we keep repeating the very worst part of history. We're living in a time when we are facing the reality of a commander in chief who promotes torture and begs us to accept it as the ethically and morally right way to behave. We live in a time when the American Christians are viewed world-wide as being the 'American Taliban' as they promote their own pillage, maiming, and murder upon innocent Iraqis (and other Mideast countries) and as they fire our bullets made with Depleted uranium into pregnant women, innocent children, and innocent men simply because of their race and religious beliefs. I never thought I'd live to see the day when WE (Americans) would be the ones perpetuating ethnic cleansing on other countries.

And after WWII and the Holocaust, I had hoped the the Christians and Jews and Muslims would come together and recognize the damage that their own hate speech causes. No! I will NOT hate Mexicans or build a wall and spread hate instead of love. No! I will not hate Arabs for the misdeeds of a select few.

So I will not write anything on the back of envelopes except "Love thy neighbor as thyself" or "Jesus is anti-war and anti-torture" or "God Loves all of us' or "War is NOT PRO-LIFE"!
But I will never write , "sit down and shut up" or "Piss on the (insert Bush's latest foe here' or "Torture is the RIGHT thing to do."

I agree with (n----) here--hate mail has nothing to do with God, Religion, or politics.

Please, stop the hate speech and please lower the antagonism for other peoples' viewpoints. It's not healthy for anyone and it doesn't promote peace. I challenge you to rise above it and instead find something to share that brings peace and community to all of us instead of creating a cauldron of soaring anger....because something tells me that when God looks down at us and sees these vile acts of torture, the hate speech, the wars that he sheds a tear for each syllable uttered and each bullet spent.

Peace and Love,

(...)

**And an FYI: (Stolen from Dick! Thanks D---!)
Depleted uranium is a waste product from the production of uranium for nuclear power plants and nuclear weapons. The material is the densest naturally occurring mineral, a property which makes it the best available material for penetrating armor. A depleted uranium shell fired into a tank cuts through the armor and explodes inside the tank, with the uranium vaporizing and bursting into flame. Untold numbers of American troops and Iraqi civilians are being exposed to the resulting radioactive dust. The U.S. claims that depleted uranium is not dangerous. There are numerous reports from Iraq that areas heavily contaminated with depleted uranium also have much higher levels of unusual birth defects. And many Iraqi veterans suffering from a variety of ailments suspect that depleted uranium is responsible for many of their symptoms.

a response back:

Delete my email from your list. We want NOTHING to do with you.

and this:

"Tell you what, take me off your email list, as I do not wish to hear your clap-trap about how bad we American Christians are."

and my response to the last one:

Are you bad? Do you love thy neighbor? Do you feed the poor? Do you follow the ten commandments? What about thou shalt not kill? These are what you called "clap-trap".

Read to the bottom...where I suggested that we "stop the hate speech and please lower the antagonism for other peoples' viewpoints. It's not healthy for anyone and it doesn't promote peace. I challenge you to rise above it and instead find something to share that brings peace and community to all of us instead of creating a cauldron of soaring anger....because something tells me that when God looks down at us and sees these vile acts of torture, the hate speech, the wars that he sheds a tear for each syllable uttered and each bullet spent."

Because "sit down and shut up" isn't really something that Jesus would advocate either. When I ask myself, "What would Jesus do", my answer isn't "sit down and shut up, while someone tortures, kills or maims people in my name." Claptrap or not--at least it's morally right.

Name off my email list. And May God Bless You.

Now how's all of their comments and replies for showing how much their willing to follow Jesus's teachings instead of just hit people over the head with their "Godly" actions.

And frankly, I happen to not care if "In God We Trust" shows up on money or not--or even the pledge. I know others disagree but that's fine too. What I do mind is that the "Athiests" behave more kind, caring, compassionate, and morally (ethically) responsible (and follow the basic tenents of Christ's teachings) than the Jesus (God) lovers who claim that they're being attacked for their faith in God.

I can't help thinking of the production "GodSpell" with that song, "Hypocrites!"

Alas, alas, for
you Lawyers and pharisees
Hypocrites that you are
Sure that the kingdom of Heaven awaits youYou will not
venture half so far
Other men that might enter the gates you
Keep from passing through!Drag them down with
you!You snakes, you viper's brood
You cannot escape being Devil's food!
I send you prophets, and I
send you preachersSages in rages and ages of teachers
Nothing can mar your mood

[and-justice-for-all]

25. I do something just like that on mail solicitations

...But I do not write IN GOD WE TRUST crap on the envelopes.

See, I was getting those SEND MONEY FOR A BLESSING bullshit in the mail, well everytime I got one I took that prepaid envelope and used it against them. I would stuff their shit back in the prepaid and write on it "SAVE THE PLANET, BECOME AN ATHEIST".

And all those Credit Card solicitations, HA...I would also use their prepaid against them as well and I still do. I put a big 'X' on the part where you fill out your name and them I would put the application and some COUPONS in the envelope and send it back to them...Needless to say the credit card apps that I got in the mail has dropped drasticly.

[tnlefty]

27. I do this: I write "You can't trust republicans with your money" on those

soliticitians, on checks that I write and on money - along with the occasional "Impeach Bush".

I like what you've mentioned and I hope that you don't mind if I use it, too!

[and-justice-for-all]

31. Oh hell no...Go for it...

...Anything to piss of the bible thumping, cristofacist, theocrats.

[liberal N proud]

10. Some always play the persecuted card

They love playing the victim, it is where their spine is. If they are being persecuted you will not tell them what they really are, Hypocrites

[Triana]

11. ...

These people need to just get over themselves.

[zbdent]

12. Tell the religious right to peddle their bullshit where

they can have their heads cut off for doing so ... then come back and tell us about how they're being "persecuted" in by the US Constitution's First Amendment ...

[Avalux]

13. They continue to pretend they're the persecuted, the victims

That's a continuing theme among Republicans and their base; no matter how much power they attain or how hateful they are, they still cry "poor me" and point at everyone else as evil.

[Rude Horner]

14. I've got a GREAT response

How 'bout THIS for an interesting fact!

The first U.S. coin with the words, "United States of America" was a 1787 penny. It also had this unique motto inscribed: "Mind Your Own Business."

That's no joke. It's a fact. Tell 'em to shove THAT up their pipe and smoke it. :rofl:

[nuxvomica]

18. Actually it says: "Mind Your Business"

But that's just because "Own" wouldn't fit. Yeah, I looked it up cuz I doubted you but it turns out you're right. That's a nice historical tidbit like the Treaty of Tripoli. Thanks for posting.

[katsy]

15. what time is it?

ahhhh election time.

Just like clockwork - they dust off that bullshit and their propagandaists pull out their bullhorn.

ho hum.

:boring:

[kiki]

16. Just take the same headline...

and add "... again" at the end, and you've got the makings of a DU or even Onion article.

Change the record, you fuckin' losers.

[zanne]

17. Until they brainwash everybody into thinking exactly like them....

They'll say they're being "persecuted". These people are so delusional, they actually think that they will, eventually,turn this country into a theocracy and until they do, they'll behave like spoiled children having temper tantrums. Their inability to understand that not everybody thinks like them will do them in in the end. Until then, every time their radical agenda suffers a defeat, expect to hear more "persecuted Christian" stories.

[baldguy]

19. Religion is under attack - especially Christianity.

When people who love war, hate peace, attack the poor & deny them justice, and put themselves above all other humans and claim to know the thoughts of God can call themselves "Christian" and get away with it - then Christianity is in a very sorry state.

[greyl]

21. What's wrong with it being under attack, ABC? nt

[Brewman_Jax]

22. That's a relative term

because they can't have their theocracy and make everyone pray their way and say "Merry Christmas" all the time. Hmmm, I guess that in spite of their protected tax-free and free association status, they are under attack.

[Jacobin]

23. Xtians live to be martyrs

Its their raison d'etre.

Since they own the WH, Congress and SCOTUS, they now have to whine that people are saying nasty things about them and their Crusade.

Waaaaaaaaa
Waaaaaaaaa

[BlooInBloo]

26. (shrug) so do christian DUers.... On *that* specific issue...

... there's not much difference between them...

On that specific issue.

[Name removed]

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[Synnical]

29. Gotta Catapult the Propaganda

Halloween is an evil celebration of pagan and satanic rites

War on Christmas!

If I wasn't so concerned about the US government being invaded by fundies, I'd yawn at this.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. Funny how the All-Powerful God is always in need of defense..

And, of course, money.