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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:50 AM
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Chavez calls Bush "the devil"
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 10:51 AM by Sparkly
At U.N., Chavez calls Bush 'the devil'

1 minute ago

UNITED NATIONS - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez took his verbal battle with the United States to the floor of the U.N. General Assembly on Wednesday, calling President Bush "the devil." "The devil came here yesterday," Chavez said. "He came here talking as if he were the owner of the world."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060920/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/un_venezuela
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:51 AM
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1. Ha!
CNN has determined that his speech was in very bad taste.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:52 AM
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2. Truthful fella.
Was there applause?
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adarling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:15 AM
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7. alot of applause and laughter
Bolton said he would not comment on the subject and the reporter asked why not address it since there was alot of applause and such. He is such a dumbass.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 12:43 AM
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77. The reporter pushed the "applause and laughter"???
Lovely.

Anything that annoys Bolton is likely to make me light and bouncy.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:53 AM
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3. He also said he understands that Americans want peace,
but their imperialist leaders don't.

Why not hightlight that?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:57 AM
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5. I posted the entire article as it was.
There's more there now.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:18 AM
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81. In a nutshell
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:56 AM
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4. Thanks for posting this & a 'Thank You' to President Chavez! K & R!!!
:kick:

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:13 AM
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6. Democrats take that position, they can kiss 2006 goodby
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:19 AM
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8. I like to hear all points of view
whether I agree or not. In this case, I agreed with much of what Chavez had to say.
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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:22 AM
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9. they'll be kissing 06 goodbye anyway. like 00, 02 and 04.
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 11:23 AM by QuestionAll...
now would be a good time to grow some.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:27 AM
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11. Good one. Hard to top Mr. Fish.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:33 AM
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15. funny and sad
due to truth
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:54 AM
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20. I disagree, they have been playing it correct
a perfect example is the Casey/Santorum race. Yes, Casey is not the typical mold of what a liberal should be, but instead of debate issues that divide, they will need to debate the other issues, which include santorums record, and the polls indicate he is toast

As far as your second point, "now would be a good time to grow some"

UNLESS THE DEMOCRATS GET IN POWER, it really doesn't matter does it?

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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 02:03 PM
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42. Good luck, still_one
You're correct, but few here want to hear that. At some point, the emotion of flipping off the repugs became more satisfying than the emotion of beating them on election day. Instant gratification? Obsession? I don't understand it.

The practical analysis is that Chavez and Ahmadinejad just made it easier for the repugs in November. Everyone at DU is already gonna vote Democratic. It's those voters in the big bulge of the political bell curve who are in play. They're going to shift a bit rightward after hearing Ahmadinejad and Chavez speak, and then hearing the left tacitly (or sometimes actively) agree with them.

This coming election isn't, as you observed, about "growing some," as if we're going to bludgeon undecided people into supporting Democrats with anger language and testosterone tactics. People will pull the donkey lever instead of the elephant when they perceive we put American interests ahead of Iranian or Venezuelan. Rah-rahhing Ahmadinejad and Chavez does not send that message. It sends the opposite message.

I hope there are more people like you out there, still_one, than I currently see. Otherwise, it's going to be two more years resigned to bitching on leftie boards instead of reforming government and bringing progressive methods into action.

Peace.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:18 PM
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54. I think there are. I do not believe that DU is representative of the
Democratic party's position.

Remember even Howard Dean is working for a fifty state strategy for winning, and the only way we have a chance is to accept moderation.

For the most part I believe the party is handling 2006 OK, and at the same time not allowing themseleves to be painted as unpatriotic or radical as the right is trying to do

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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #54
107. The centrists are now radicals to the Republicans. as they continue

to push a even more right wing agenda.

The CHomsky book is a catalog of the real intentions of the government that even most republicans voters would not support. Fortunately for the Republicans, the media and public ignorance keeps them well protected from the public when it comes to election time.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 02:06 PM
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43. Horse Pucky.
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 02:06 PM by PassingFair
"Man-on-Dog, lives in Virginia shot
himself in the ass.

Barney Frank could take him in the election.

We need voices and leaders.

Sitting back and waiting for republicans to
commit suicide works eventually and fitfully.

Dead people could do it.
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blue cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #9
37. Oh geez
made me laugh out loud at work.
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:10 AM
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106. yeah, they realy need a pair to go with that spine would be required

although anything is better than just siting around and taking it.
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #6
13. Grow some balls and tell it like it is.... Thats WHY DEMS LOSE !
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:59 AM
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23. you think so
maybe you haven't noticed but the country has shifted to the right, and it is NOT just its leaders. Unless you can get into office nothing matters. If you believe that getting into office by using the words of Chavez will do it, I believe that the American public will never accept that.

In order to win you have to appeal to the middle, that is reality

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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:04 PM
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27. shifted to the right
That must be why many repubs think nationalized healthcare would be a great thing - it's just that these voters are not aware that the party they keep voting for is opposed to nationalization of anything.
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:09 PM
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30. Total BS...
This country is still liberal... Its just our Dem leaders and the media are not educating the populace well enough....

And the Dem leaders are to Rethug-Lite... so theres no clear message.

People want a LEADER !... and it is talk (and the walk) like Chavez that will do the trick !
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:35 PM
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46. Not here, it won't.
The left, by itself, will never win an election. Neither will the right wing. Not alone. To win, you've got to have more of "the center" than your opponent.

And the left will NEVER, I repeat NEVER, win over the center by cheering on a South American socialist who calls the U.S. President "the devil." It ain't gonna play in the Midwest, or in the South, or anywhere else, for that matter.

We can call * all the names we want. We're Americans and it's our right -- hell, it's our duty to do so. But most Americans, including this fairly liberal Democrat, don't care to hear sh*t like that coming from other nations' leaders.

Bake
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #46
50. That needed to be said. n/t
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #46
98. IF you're justified as I believe Chavez is
you can win !...

How has cowtowing to the center helped us lately???
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:02 AM
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105. Which explains why Chavez dipped out of NYC in a hurry
Cancelled his events and went home.

Bake
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:44 AM
Response to Reply #23
83. Is that the new right wing meme?
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 01:45 AM by TheGoldenRule
:eyes:

I think you'd be surprised that the majority of the public is further left of center than YOU or the politicians or the corporate media whores want to believe or deal with. They are the ones trying to call the shots, but they can't control us as they want to and that pisses em off. Which is obvious from the anti Chavez posts around here. Real liberals wouldn't post that shit, no way no how, because they weigh the good Chavez has done for his people first and foremost.

Now that's reality.
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yppahemnkm Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #23
119. Very well said!!
Seems so obvious to me.

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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:13 PM
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34. This is the second time I've seen you say such
I'm honestly unclear as to what you mean by your words. Could you define exactly what "position" you're speaking of for me?

Do you mean calling bush the devil? I'd have to agree with you if that's the case.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:24 PM
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55. That is the most obvious point
Chavez demonizing Bush does not provide for any positive result. It does NOT justify Bush demonizing them, and in my view it should NOT be embraced in either case.

Also, Chavez is a polarizing element, and as an example Sheehan did more to hurt her cause than help it by meeting with Chavez.

Democrats better think with their head instead of their emotion if they want to win



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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:55 PM
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65. emotion is what you hit when campaigning.
the pugs have been great at using fear. The dems need to hit some 'anger' buttons...I've been out there canvassing in Ohio and people are pissed, disgusted, and maybe hopeless.

Personally, I love Hugo. Calling * the devil and telling everyone he needs a shrink in front of the entire UN....I love him.

I read his entire speech...I love the guy.

Was there a link to the entire speech? I think I saw it on the Embassy's website.

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 12:54 AM
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79. Is that what you are saying in Ohio?
i.e. you love "Hugo calling bush the devil", and that you "love chavez"

People may be pissed at bush in Ohio, but they are NOT socialists, and in my view, if you are trying to influence independents to vote for your guy, I don't believe expressing admiration for chavez will further your cause





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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:56 AM
Response to Reply #79
85. There are more people with socialist leanings in this country
than you or the thugs want anyone to believe! People in this country want socialized medicine, they want money spent on schools, on welfare programs, on social security and medicare. ALL of which "reek" of socialism. So quit spreading your propaganda that socialism is bad and unwanted because it's simply not true and is actually a load of bullshit! :grr:
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:25 AM
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123. What I discuss at DU and what I say while canvassing
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 12:28 AM by femrap
are quite different. Unlike * I am capable of diplomacy and persuasion.

Yes, I enjoyed Chavez's comments....very much. Do I go out and knock on doors and relay that to independent voters? No.

But I did run into a person today...a hardcore dem who mentioned Chavez and we had a good laugh.

Do you do much canvassing? How are your sales skills? How long have you lived in Ohio? Which part?
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doctor_garth Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #6
47. if Gore, Kerry and others
had 10% of Chavez's courage, Democrats would win every election.

Again, what Chavez did today takes COURAGE.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #47
56. No way. The American public does NOT embrace Chavez
you want to win, go with the issues, you want to lose, elevate Chavez

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Seeking Serenity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #56
59. It's like members of a family who can fight among themselves
but if someone on the outside does it, the family pulls together.

I think it's the same thing here, for the middle voters we need, anyway.

They may not mind so much Americans slamming Bush on a regular basis, but they won't like it much if someone from another country, particulrly ones who cozy up to Ahmedinijhad and Kim Jung Il.

We shouldn't elevate Chavez, and Democrats in general definistely shouldn't, and expect to win elections.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:11 PM
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61. I agree with you
As an example, there are many in Iran who really are not happy with their leadership, and would love to see it gone, but if we were to attack Iran, I think it would unite them

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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:08 AM
Response to Reply #59
88. Nationalism is still a poison
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 02:09 AM by Moochy
regardless of whether we run from it or embrace it.
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doctor_garth Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #56
74. sure
as if Kerry and Gore hadn't gone with the issues.

I don't think Kerry and Gore should've called the chimp 'the devil', but at least shown some fucking SPINE. They didn't and Bush is where he is now.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #47
109. It's not his courage I question, it's his judgment.
Chavez didn't help his cause (or ours, for that matter) with his stunt. People rightly condemned * for his "axis of evil" statement, which is about two notches less offensive than calling a head of state "the devil."

Bake
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doctor_garth Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #109
116. and wouldn't it be great
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 02:13 PM by doctor_garth
if Kerry or Gore had judgement, which Chavez lacks, combined with COURAGE, which Chavez doesn't lack?
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:06 PM
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117. I suppose it would!
I read your post as saying that Kerry and Gore EACH lacked both judgment and courage. Frankly, I can't argue with that. Kerry lacked both the judgment and courage to counter the Swiftliars. Gore, at the time, lacked both to press the FL recount fight.

Although I do think that recently, at least, Gore has found both. I hope he finds enough more of each to get in the race.

Bake
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doctor_garth Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #117
118. no argument from me
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 12:19 AM
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75. Sorry, Democrats keep losing the rhetorical war because Americans
perceive the Republican's unified strident tone as real strength. Denouncing the administration as devils and traitors would be a tremendous step in the right direction. Kerry's gentlemanly approach is not appropriate to th lying bandits of our opposition.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 12:52 AM
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78. Bingo!
Americans are not going to vote for any Democratic candidate that smiles when is insulted, laughs when is slandered and politely excuses himself when challenged to a fight. It is the loudest most aggressive monkey that leads the troop. And aggressive monkey's throw shit, literally. In general we are nothing more than less hirsute monkeys. Time to throw some shit!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:22 AM
Response to Reply #78
82. Bravo & thank you.
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #75
100. AMEN BROTHER !
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:25 AM
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10. I think he meant, "Anti-Christ"... but hey, close enough! n/t
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:29 AM
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12. Hugo is sooo dreamy!!
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #12
60. Yer kiddin'
This is a world leader we're talking about, not the cover boy for Tiger Beat.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:33 AM
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14. Don't insult the devil
Lucifer is hella smarter than that...
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Ferret Annica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:07 AM
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87. I like the way he articulated this
It is a gripping metaphor. And by articulating it as 'Bush is' and not 'Bush is much like the' he gives his remarks power, brevity and focus.

I let Bush and his henchmen worry about being grammar police, because everyone know exactly what Hugo speaks about, and his message resonates widely and the focus to get rid of the Neo Con cockroaches grows stronger in size and coordinated effort.

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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:38 AM
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16. not much Sympathy for the Devil...
Chavez got a much better round of applause than the little red pointy tailed one.
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Bad Penny Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:44 AM
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17. I thought the CNN reporters were gonna pass out from the bitter taste
Bunch of fucking shills. Fuck the media. And fuck bush. If he's not the devil he's plotting a coup
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:00 PM
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68. Deleted message
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:48 AM
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18. Satan's Sockpuppet
:shrug: Junior sold his soul for nose candy a long time ago.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:53 AM
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19. They cut Chavez press conference, too much substance
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 11:53 AM by upi402
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:03 PM
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25. Yes indeed n/t
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #19
31. There was a press conf.?... How can I see it...
Got a link to it ?
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:13 PM
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33. the news has been canceled
it would seem


CNN is back to absolute shock that someone would criticize President Bush. Criticism, otherwise known as truth. Truth, that which is not on cable news.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:58 PM
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67. Here
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:55 AM
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21. Chavez and Bush have some common ground...
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 11:56 AM by vincent_vega_lives
They both think the UN "doesn't work" :P
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:12 PM
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32. Yes but Chavez doesn't want to dismantle it !
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:58 AM
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22. A Chomskite...
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 11:59 AM by vincent_vega_lives


Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez holds up a Spanish language version of Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance by Noam Chomsky as he addresses the 61st session of the United Nations General Assembly at U.N. Headquarters on Wednesday, Sept. 20, 2006. (AP Photo/Julie Jacobson)
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:01 PM
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24. The fundie RaptureReady.com kooks are outraged
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:08 AM
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80. too funny
Now that was fun to read: from the poster who calls herself "IbeleiveinJesus" (sic) to their shock and surprise that someone is calling for an uprising against the U.S. ON U.S. SOIL! LOL. Never mind that it is the U.N.!

And they are shocked, shocked, shocked I tell you that the applause to Chavez's speech came so quick and strong.

It was also interesting to observe that many of them realize we have no friends.




Cher
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:03 PM
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26. Whatever happened to the Great Satan?
Can't we get a little more resepct than "the devil"?
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:07 PM
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29. What happens in 08?
Son of el Diablo? Distant coz?
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:05 PM
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28. TRANSCRIPT
PRESIDENT CHAVEZ DELIVERS REMARKS AT THE U.N. GENERAL ASSEMBLY
SEPTEMBER 20, 2006

"Representatives of the governments of the world, good morning to all of you. First of all, I would like to invite you, very respectfully, to those who have not read this book, to read it. Noam Chomsky, one of the most prestigious American and world intellectuals, Noam Chomsky, and this is one of his most recent books, 'Hegemony or Survival: The Imperialist Strategy of the United States.'"

"It's an excellent book to help us understand what has been happening in the world throughout the 20th century, and what's happening now, and the greatest threat looming over our planet. The hegemonic pretensions of the American empire are placing at risk the very survival of the human species. We continue to warn you about this danger and we appeal to the people of the United States and the world to halt this threat, which is like a sword hanging over our heads. I had considered reading from this book, but, for the sake of time," "I will just leave it as a recommendation.

It reads easily, it is a very good book, I'm sure Madame you are familiar with it. It appears in English, in Russian, in Arabic, in German. I think that the first people who should read this book are our brothers and sisters in the United States, because their threat is right in their own house. The devil is right at home. The devil, the devil himself, is right in the house.

"And the devil came here yesterday. Yesterday the devil came here. Right here."

"And it smells of sulfur still today."

Yesterday, ladies and gentlemen, from this rostrum, the president of the United States, the gentleman to whom I refer as the devil, came here, talking as if he owned the world. Truly. As the owner of the world.

I think we could call a psychiatrist to analyze yesterday's statement made by the president of the United States. As the spokesman of imperialism, he came to share his nostrums, to try to preserve the current pattern of domination, exploitation and pillage of the peoples of the world.

An Alfred Hitchcock movie could use it as a scenario. I would even propose a title: "The Devil's Recipe."

As Chomsky says here, clearly and in depth, the American empire is doing all it can to consolidate its system of domination. And we cannot allow them to do that. We cannot allow world dictatorship to be consolidated.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): The world parent's statement -- cynical, hypocritical, full of this imperial hypocrisy from the need they have to control everything.

They say they want to impose a democratic model. But that's their democratic model. It's the false democracy of elites, and, I would say, a very original democracy that's imposed by weapons and bombs and firing weapons.

What a strange democracy. Aristotle might not recognize it or others who are at the root of democracy.

What type of democracy do you impose with marines and bombs?

The president of the United States, yesterday, said to us, right here, in this room, and I'm quoting, "Anywhere you look, you hear extremists telling you can escape from poverty and recover your dignity through violence, terror and martyrdom."

Wherever he looks, he sees extremists. And you, my brother -- he looks at your color, and he says, oh, there's an extremist. Evo Morales, the worthy president of Bolivia, looks like an extremist to him.

The imperialists see extremists everywhere. It's not that we are extremists. It's that the world is waking up. It's waking up all over. And people are standing up.

I have the feeling, dear world dictator, that you are going to live the rest of your days as a nightmare because the rest of us are standing up, all those who are rising up against American imperialism, who are shouting for equality, for respect, for the sovereignty of nations.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Yes, you can call us extremists, but we are rising up against the empire, against the model of domination.

The president then -- and this he said himself, he said: "I have come to speak directly to the populations in the Middle East, to tell them that my country wants peace."

That's true. If we walk in the streets of the Bronx, if we walk around New York, Washington, San Diego, in any city, San Antonio, San Francisco, and we ask individuals, the citizens of the United States, what does this country want? Does it want peace? They'll say yes.

But the government doesn't want peace. The government of the United States doesn't want peace. It wants to exploit its system of exploitation, of pillage, of hegemony through war.

It wants peace. But what's happening in Iraq? What happened in Lebanon? In Palestine? What's happening? What's happened over the last 100 years in Latin America and in the world? And now threatening Venezuela -- new threats against Venezuela, against Iran?

He spoke to the people of Lebanon. Many of you, he said, have seen how your homes and communities were caught in the crossfire. How cynical can you get? What a capacity to lie shamefacedly. The bombs in Beirut with millimetric precision?

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): This is crossfire? He's thinking of a western, when people would shoot from the hip and somebody would be caught in the crossfire.

This is imperialist, fascist, assassin, genocidal, the empire and Israel firing on the people of Palestine and Lebanon. That is what happened. And now we hear, "We're suffering because we see homes destroyed.'

The president of the United States came to talk to the peoples -- to the peoples of the world. He came to say -- I brought some documents with me, because this morning I was reading some statements, and I see that he talked to the people of Afghanistan, the people of Lebanon, the people of Iran. And he addressed all these peoples directly.

And you can wonder, just as the president of the United States addresses those peoples of the world, what would those peoples of the world tell him if they were given the floor? What would they have to say?

And I think I have some inkling of what the peoples of the south, the oppressed people think. They would say, "Yankee imperialist, go home." I think that is what those people would say if they were given the microphone and if they could speak with one voice to the American imperialists.

And that is why, Madam President, my colleagues, my friends, last year we came here to this same hall as we have been doing for the past eight years, and we said something that has now been confirmed -- fully, fully confirmed.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I don't think anybody in this room could defend the system. Let's accept -- let's be honest. The U.N. system, born after the Second World War, collapsed. It's worthless.

Oh, yes, it's good to bring us together once a year, see each other, make statements and prepare all kinds of long documents, and listen to good speeches, like Abel's (ph) yesterday, or President Mullah's (ph). Yes, it's good for that.

And there are a lot of speeches, and we've heard lots from the president of Sri Lanka, for instance, and the president of Chile.

But we, the assembly, have been turned into a merely deliberative organ. We have no power, no power to make any impact on the terrible situation in the world. And that is why Venezuela once again proposes, here, today, 20 September, that we re-establish the United Nations.

Last year, Madam, we made four modest proposals that we felt to be crucially important. We have to assume the responsibility our heads of state, our ambassadors, our representatives, and we have to discuss it.

The first is expansion, and Mullah (ph) talked about this yesterday right here. The Security Council, both as it has permanent and non-permanent categories, (inaudible) developing countries and LDCs must be given access as new permanent members. That's step one.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Second, effective methods to address and resolve world conflicts, transparent decisions.

Point three, the immediate suppression -- and that is something everyone's calling for -- of the anti-democratic mechanism known as the veto, the veto on decisions of the Security Council.

Let me give you a recent example. The immoral veto of the United States allowed the Israelis, with impunity, to destroy Lebanon. Right in front of all of us as we stood there watching, a resolution in the council was prevented.

Fourthly, we have to strengthen, as we've always said, the role and the powers of the secretary general of the United Nations.

Yesterday, the secretary general practically gave us his speech of farewell. And he recognized that over the last 10 years, things have just gotten more complicated; hunger, poverty, violence, human rights violations have just worsened. That is the tremendous consequence of the collapse of the United Nations system and American hegemonistic pretensions.

Madam, Venezuela a few years ago decided to wage this battle within the United Nations by recognizing the United Nations, as members of it that we are, and lending it our voice, our thinking.

Our voice is an independent voice to represent the dignity and the search for peace and the reformulation of the international system; to denounce persecution and aggression of hegemonistic forces on the planet.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): This is how Venezuela has presented itself. Bolivar's home has sought a nonpermanent seat on the Security Council.

Let's see. Well, there's been an open attack by the U.S. government, an immoral attack, to try and prevent Venezuela from being freely elected to a post in the Security Council.

The imperium is afraid of truth, is afraid of independent voices. It calls us extremists, but they are the extremists.

And I would like to thank all the countries that have kindly announced their support for Venezuela, even though the ballot is a secret one and there's no need to announce things.

But since the imperium has attacked, openly, they strengthened the convictions of many countries. And their support strengthens us.

Mercosur, as a bloc, has expressed its support, our brothers in Mercosur. Venezuela, with Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, is a full member of Mercosur.

And many other Latin American countries, CARICOM, Bolivia have expressed their support for Venezuela. The Arab League, the full Arab League has voiced its support. And I am immensely grateful to the Arab world, to our Arab brothers, our Caribbean brothers, the African Union. Almost all of Africa has expressed its support for Venezuela and countries such as Russia or China and many others.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I thank you all warmly on behalf of Venezuela, on behalf of our people, and on behalf of the truth, because Venezuela, with a seat on the Security Council, will be expressing not only Venezuela's thoughts, but it will also be the voice of all the peoples of the world, and we will defend dignity and truth.

Over and above all of this, Madam President, I think there are reasons to be optimistic. A poet would have said "helplessly optimistic," because over and above the wars and the bombs and the aggressive and the preventive war and the destruction of entire peoples, one can see that a new era is dawning.

As Sylvia Rodriguez (ph) says, the era is giving birth to a heart. There are alternative ways of thinking. There are young people who think differently. And this has already been seen within the space of a mere decade. It was shown that the end of history was a totally false assumption, and the same was shown about Pax Americana and the establishment of the capitalist neo-liberal world. It has been shown, this system, to generate mere poverty. Who believes in it now?

What we now have to do is define the future of the world. Dawn is breaking out all over. You can see it in Africa and Europe and Latin America and Oceanea. I want to emphasize that optimistic vision.

We have to strengthen ourselves, our will to do battle, our awareness. We have to build a new and better world.

Venezuela joins that struggle, and that's why we are threatened. The U.S. has already planned, financed and set in motion a coup in Venezuela, and it continues to support coup attempts in Venezuela and elsewhere.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): President Michelle Bachelet reminded us just a moment ago of the horrendous assassination of the former foreign minister, Orlando Letelier.

And I would just add one thing: Those who perpetrated this crime are free. And that other event where an American citizen also died were American themselves. They were CIA killers, terrorists.

And we must recall in this room that in just a few days there will be another anniversary. Thirty years will have passed from this other horrendous terrorist attack on the Cuban plane, where 73 innocents died, a Cubana de Aviacion airliner.

And where is the biggest terrorist of this continent who took the responsibility for blowing up the plane? He spent a few years in jail in Venezuela. Thanks to CIA and then government officials, he was allowed to escape, and he lives here in this country, protected by the government.

And he was convicted. He has confessed to his crime. But the U.S. government has double standards. It protects terrorism when it wants to.

And this is to say that Venezuela is fully committed to combating terrorism and violence. And we are one of the people who are fighting for peace.

Luis Posada Carriles is the name of that terrorist who is protected here. And other tremendously corrupt people who escaped from Venezuela are also living here under protection: a group that bombed various embassies, that assassinated people during the coup. They kidnapped me and they were going to kill me, but I think God reached down and our people came out into the streets and the army was too, and so I'm here today.

But these people who led that coup are here today in this country protected by the American government. And I accuse the American government of protecting terrorists and of having a completely cynical discourse.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): We mentioned Cuba. Yes, we were just there a few days ago. We just came from there happily.

And there you see another era born. The Summit of the 15, the Summit of the Nonaligned, adopted a historic resolution. This is the outcome document. Don't worry, I'm not going to read it.

But you have a whole set of resolutions here that were adopted after open debate in a transparent matter -- more than 50 heads of state. Havana was the capital of the south for a few weeks, and we have now launched, once again, the group of the nonaligned with new momentum.

And if there is anything I could ask all of you here, my companions, my brothers and sisters, it is to please lend your good will to lend momentum to the Nonaligned Movement for the birth of the new era, to prevent hegemony and prevent further advances of imperialism.

And as you know, Fidel Castro is the president of the nonaligned for the next three years, and we can trust him to lead the charge very efficiently.

Unfortunately they thought, "Oh, Fidel was going to die." But they're going to be disappointed because he didn't. And he's not only alive, he's back in his green fatigues, and he's now presiding the nonaligned.

So, my dear colleagues, Madam President, a new, strong movement has been born, a movement of the south. We are men and women of the south.

With this document, with these ideas, with these criticisms, I'm now closing my file. I'm taking the book with me. And, don't forget, I'm recommending it very warmly and very humbly to all of you.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): We want ideas to save our planet, to save the planet from the imperialist threat. And hopefully in this very century, in not too long a time, we will see this, we will see this new era, and for our children and our grandchildren a world of peace based on the fundamental principles of the United Nations, but a renewed United Nations.

And maybe we have to change location. Maybe we have to put the United Nations somewhere else; maybe a city of the south. We've proposed Venezuela.

You know that my personal doctor had to stay in the plane. The chief of security had to be left in a locked plane. Neither of these gentlemen was allowed to arrive and attend the U.N. meeting. This is another abuse and another abuse of power on the part of the Devil. It smells of sulfur here, but God is with us and I embrace you all.

May God bless us all. Good day to you.

(APPLAUSE)

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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:17 PM
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35. Beautiful
Not a word out of place. No matter who it offends.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 01:27 PM
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36. This is the REAL DEAL! Who can deny it?
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:09 AM
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89. Freepers deny it-that's who!
And I agree, that was a wonderful speech! :applause:
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watercolors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 02:02 PM
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41. All I can say is WOW!
Wonderful speech. he is so on target on all the issues.
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Justpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:51 AM
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104. This speech is childish and insulting,
but it is exactly the type of discourse that the right wing has engaged in for over a decade.
We have had almost fifteen years of the vulgar pig boy spewing lies and trash across our airwaves
and he gets paid millions for doing so thanks to his brain dead listeners. Ann Coulter can call
foreign heads of state ragheads and she is hailed as the voice of power and truth for her side.
Pat Robertson calls for the assassination of Chavez and the right wing shrugs.

The speech by Chavez yesterday was a mirror of their own foolishness.

The right wing has called anyone who disagrees with "godless", traitors and worse.
It seems that the demonization process is coming back to bite them in their self righteous asses.


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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 01:49 PM
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38. The Interpreter sure repeated his words with alot of emotion
Usually they don't show emotion, just translate the message...

This gal was aghast with her words... I thought I was listening to Ms. Grace's younger sibling for a moment there....
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Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 01:49 PM
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39. Well, my repub 'neighbor' calls b*sh the anti christ
all the time, openly. Still votes repub but not for 'el diablo'....go figure.

Go Hugo, tell it like it is. Somebody has to.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 01:54 PM
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40. The "brimstone smell" comment was funny
I thought the speech was funny
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:07 PM
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44. Chavez speaks the Truth. n/t
PB
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:10 PM
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45. Es la verdad
:applause:


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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:40 PM
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63. The exact image that came to mind!
:evilgrin:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:46 PM
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64. LOL!
:D

I just dropped that pic in another thread (poll). :hi:

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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:19 PM
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73. You know what - Hugo Chavez had the cajones to say exactly what the rest
of the world thinks of Bush. Okay, so it may have not been the most diplomatically presented speech, but I bet there isn't anyone, not even the people who may have criticized Hugo, who doesn't agree with his statement today, even if its silently.

I love that photo of Antichristus Bush that you did Swamp'r! It literally is the image that comes to mind....bet the whole world would agree.

:hi:
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bobbie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:21 AM
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94. I thought he got a pretty warm reception at the UN
Underplayed by the media whores of course.

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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:12 AM
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91. Is the Devil a Lizard?
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 02:15 AM by Moochy
:yourock: That picture is so Icke!
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:06 PM
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48. Well, he got that right. He mentioned the smell of sulphur accord-
ing to NPR report. He should have said "depleted uranium."
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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 07:29 PM
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49. of course you do realize that now the rite wing will link Hugo Chavez
to the Dems and say libs agree with him. Savage is already doing it right now on his radio show!
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:10 AM
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90. Oh my we better do what Savage Michael says!
Quoting Savage eh? Yeah lets let him define the issue.. pathetic.
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:42 AM
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101. Stop cowering.... Stand up and fight !
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:46 AM
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102. did you forget *'s rules of order?
"you're either with us, or with the enemy"-

"WE" have been the enemy all along. The link to anyone who disagrees with the right wing are automatic- Nothing has changed, except that someone in this world had some courage to call * on his 'accountability' for the actions he has taken in this world-

And it ain't pretty-

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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 07:47 PM
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51. Hey, the man was just telling it like it is!
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 07:56 PM
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52. I wish Hugo were my president!
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:04 PM
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53. Chavez speaks for me.
Seems like you have to be someone outside of U.S. politics to speak the truth anymore.

This guy tells it like it is. He speaks for a huge portion of world opinion that CNN
hypno toads do not get to hear.


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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:27 PM
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57. that may be, but he does NOT speak for the majority of Americans
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:17 PM
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62. Majority of Americans believe in the Rapture too
I don't think they are right about that either.

Don
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:55 AM
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84. I do believe it.
and I also think Chavez is speaking what the world generally thinks of Bush - and that he's a devil. I don't know if he's the devil, but he's so blindly pushing for torture and murder of iraqis all while swigging "jeesus juice" and ignoring the true tenets of Christianity, because he apparently isn't one.
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:01 PM
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69. I wonder who does speak for the majority of Americans?
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 10:02 PM by niallmac
Is it the main stream media? Is there a real center that speaks to the
majority of Americans or has Bush and company successfully
Balkanized our country into polarized minorities?

What does the majority of America think and where do they disagree with
Chavez? I know he's not perfect but neither is this dummy down
media led group think that some want to pass off as a vibrant democracy
enjoying the mix of differing opinions and daring to question authority...Not.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:13 AM
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92. Bullshit! Chavez speaks for the majority of the population.
Deal with it.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:26 AM
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95. I dunno about you, but I didn't vote for the guy
He speaks for himself.

I speak for myself, thank you very much.

Unless, of course, you have a poll you can point to or somethin'
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 08:11 AM
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97. Did you see this poll?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2183526&mesg_id=2183526

BTW-did you even read Chavez's speech? Because it was well worded and needed to be said. Most REAL LIBERALS/PROGRESSIVES can see that! Perhaps you are lost and on the wrong web site? :eyes:
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:32 PM
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58. Bush is NOT the Devil.
To quote Jed Bartlet, America's greatest fictional President: "You're not Satan. You're the guy who runs into the 7/11 to get Satan a pack of cigarettes."
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kitty1 Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:56 PM
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66. The Cheney Repug revenge on Chavez will not be pretty...nt
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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:02 PM
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70. This just in - Satan to sue Chavez for slander
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:02 PM
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71. He is correct.
Chavez speaks the Truth.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:56 PM
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72. HEY MODS! How about a Hugo Chavez avatar?
Thanks for considering this . . .

Mr. T.
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kdpeters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 12:39 AM
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76. That Chavez. So rude at the UN. Good thing we have John Bolton.
Chavez could take a lesson or two because he doesn't come close to conducting himself the way our representative does.
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Ferret Annica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:04 AM
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86. He is a devil

For slaughtering people and destroying an entire zip code of New York, for mis- leading and lying to the American people and the world in launching the most idiotic war since Emperor Augustus lost an incredible number of legions he had sent into the land that has become Germany back in 9 B.C., Bush and anyone associated with him deserve to be ripped from power, adjudicated and punished as severely as possible.

Horrible crimes of blood and deceit of this magnitude insure him a place in history with the worst of the worst. By contrast the one time military hero Benedict Arnold is a moral and brave man of character. By contrast Charlie Manson was an amateur. Without a doubt he is the worst monster of the 21st Century so far.

Let us pluck this foul cancer from our fold and demonstrate decisively we the People of the United States are the masters of our own house, and that we want a world of peace, justice and tranquility. Let us set an example that warns decisively anyone who would follow the same path that only disaster awaits them should they do so.
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bobbie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:18 AM
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93. President Chavez is so correct
And so brave. "Smells of sulpher." Good one.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 06:51 AM
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96. Listened to much of this speech on radio.
NPR - what a great speech. Then TOTN brought on an Official Asshat to explain how it was all wrong and how Chavez is out of control etc. etc.

Hugo quoted Chomsky! How great is that?
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:36 AM
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99. So Venezuela has a jackass leader, and we do to.
It's good to know we aren't the only country in the world being ran by a jackass that would rather crack lame jokes than be an actual leader.
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:47 AM
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103. Mlan, you need to educate on the incredible successes
Chavez has had..
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 03:53 PM
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122. Im not convinced Chavez is the progressive he portrays him self as
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:28 AM
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108. Actual Leader
You mean one that grovels at the feet of US Oil interests? That kind of Actual Leader?

What unintelligent spew.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:38 AM
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110. The unintelligent spew occured yesterday, and the day before.
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 10:40 AM by Beelzebud
If Chavez were a great world leader, I would expect more from him. The meat of his speech was great, but he made about 90% of regular people roll their eyes and tune out, with his little "comedy" routine.

He behaved like the ying to Bush's yang.

Bush is a fucking idiot. I expect nothing from him. I expected more from Chavez.

Get it through your head. Both of these guys are jackasses.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:45 AM
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111. Did he nationalize your assets?
Did you own stock in a some Venezuelan Oil fields?

Or did he hurt your "National Pride" by insulting the C.I.C? :patriot: So fucking what if the UN assembled poohbahs and potentates rolled their eyes?

Ok, I guess if you say so, without any evidence to back it up except rehashed lies from the venezuelan and right wing media here in this country. Now I understand..

Bush Bad.
Chavez Bad!

Good work you've convinced me that decorum and diplomacy is way more important than telling the truth and standing up to the Devil. NOTE: since I dont believe in the DEVIL I can call Bush THE DEVIL without worrying about what the (R) voters are going to think, and allow their worst fears to paint me into a corner.

"Regular people" What the fuck? Have you got that elite liberal virus that is going around?
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:52 AM
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112. Regular people as in non-UN assembled poobahs.
Your average American idiot saw those remarks about Bush being the devil, and stopped listening to Chavez right there.

If Chavez wants people to listen to him, he sure has a bad way of opening up a speech...

I could care less if he wants to insult Bush, or nationalize the oil fields in his country.

My point is that he made a pretty shitty first impression to most Americans. Go to your local bar, and talk with some regular people about this.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:55 AM
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113. Why dont you go to a bar
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 10:56 AM by Moochy
and blog about it. All this inside politics bullshit on these threads is making me ill.

Seems like there are campaign advisors everywhere!

Is everyone who is against Chavez thinking in terms of "regular people" or just reacting with some kind of vestigial dysfunctional national pride.

"Hey he dun insulted mah leader" So dems must run from Chavez words? Gimme a break.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 11:00 AM
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114. I don't give a shit that he insulted Bush.
My whole point is that if he actually wanted people to listen to his speech (which wasn't bad), he shouldn't have started out by calling Bush the devil.

This was the first time many people saw the man speak, and that is the first impression he wants to give?

I'll say it again. He's a jackass.

Dems don't have to run from his words, but we also don't have to fucking embrace them just because he insulted Bush.

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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 11:05 AM
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115. Here's a clue, free of charge
Maybe he's not running for office in the US.
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 07:47 AM
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125. Chavez pretty much united the Repubs and Dems
in defense of the President. Somthing No domestic polititian could do. Great work bubba. :eyes:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 03:04 PM
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120. "Your average American idiot... stopped listening to Chavez right there."
Are you sure about that? The cafes in New Orleans are abuzz with the Chavez statement. The 'regular people' in my neighborhood (and in the bars down my street) were talking up a storm about it, which, as I have observed, has led to further discussions about what he said AFTER the comment.

Maybe he did make a shitty impression, but people are at least talking about him.
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 03:40 PM
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121. Dems disagree
REP.RANGEL: AN ATTACK ON BUSH IS AN ATTACK ON ALL AMERICANS... 'You do not come into my country, my congressional district, and you do not condemn my president. If there is any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans, whether they voted for him or not. I just want to make it abundantly clear to Hugo Chavez or any other president, do not come to the United States and think because we have problems with our president that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our Chief of State'...


Leading Bush critic at home calls Chavez a "thug"
http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060921/2006-09-21T164325Z_01_N21334844_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-VENEZUELA-USA-SPAT-DC.html

"Hugo Chavez fancies himself a modern day Simon Bolivar but all he is an everyday thug," House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said at a news conference, referring to Chavez' comments in a U.N. General Assembly speech on Wednesday.

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puffthemagicdragon Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 01:12 AM
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124. Fantastico Chavez!!! n/t
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 09:42 PM
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126. Chavez calls Bush "the devil" and dems go on the attack
These dems don't recognize one of their own. Chavez reminds me of the old time dems who still had passion and spine ... or maybe I've been down so long he looks like up to me. ..

Still, in this muck created by el Diablo, Chavez seems like the late Hughy Long reincarnated . You remember the guy... the former governor of Louisiana in the 30s who spoke plain English to folks and inspired them for awhile before he was shot. They're both sooo shootable. If you remember, this Hughy Long guy inspired Roosevelt's dragging dems to get off their asses. Then Roosey stole Long's ideas and called them "The New Deal. "

Too bad Hugo isn't a native and a survivor of New Orleans --

But here we go again, it seems it never fails... the first sign of stress or trouble, and the dems tend to circle the wagons and shoot inward. ...towards anyone who resembles a dem....

Reactions to Chavez comments in a U.N. General Assembly speech on Wednesday:

Rep Rangel: An attack on Bush is an attack on all Americans"

Nancy Pelosi" "Hugo Chavez fancies himself a modern day Simon Bolivar but all he is an everyday thug,"
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