Freep at work getting in a tizzy over Chavez...this is great

[YOY]

My freep co-worker who usually shuts her mouth over politics was all upset over Chavez today.

Mind you, I don't think Chavez is 100% spot on (hell...I'd say 50%) but she just took the cookie in being a dumbass!

"These foreigners come to our country and think they can talk that about our President! He doesn't have the right to! They have to respect him as our representative! Just because those who are ashamed to be American can say those things doesn't give him the right..."


I was on the floor...the sheer idiocy of just about everything she said. Living in a freaking bubble.

[Nite Owl]

1. These people are just

finding out I guess that the rest of the world doesn't think much of America any more thanks to *. It's like they just got the bad message and want to kill the messenger for the bad news.

[Parche]

2. free speech

I dont even know whey they implode over Chavez, he is good to his people, with his oil profits
maybe that is what they dont like.

[Ian David]

3. Reagan laid a wreath on graves of Concentration Camp guards in Germany

Like the Repukes should talk.

Pope John Paul II came to America-- and we paid for his security-- and he bashed America and American values.

While I think Chavez's remarks were "undignified" for the United Nations, it was less shameful than standing there and knowingly trying to deceive that same body into believing that Saddam's porta-potties were mobile weapons labs.

The UN is supposed to be a deliberative body of diplomacy. That's why we send cool-head consensus-builders like John Bolton.

Okay, bad example.

[YOY]

4. Basically how I feel...

But damn, did she sound f***ing idiotic.

[malaise]

11. Undignified?

There have been some great speeches at the UN -some very pointed.
Find Haile Selassie's famous speech from 1963.

Here's an excerpt.
That until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned: That until there are no longer first-class and second class citizens of any nation; That until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes; That until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race; That until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained; And until the ignoble and unhappy regimes that hold our brothers in Angola, in Mozambique and in South Africa in subhuman bondage have been toppled and destroyed; Until bigotry and prejudice and malicious and inhuman self-interest have been replaced by understanding and tolerance and good-will; Until all Africans stand and speak as free beings, equal in the eyes of all men, as they are in the eyes of Heaven; Until that day, the African continent will not know peace. We Africans will fight, if necessary, and we know that we shall win, as we are confident in the victory of good over evil.
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Marley immortalized this in "War"

[Ian David]

18. My beef isn't with it being pointed, critical or harsh. It's with language

In any forum other than The United Nations, I would applaud Chavez for calling Bush Satan and joking about smelling Sulfur.

I thought the speech itself was great.

I don't even have a problem with him doing it "on American soil."

In fact, I'd pay to see him and Stephen Colbert host the next White House Corespondent's Dinner.

However, it was unprofessional to resort to name-calling like that at The UN.

The UN is a deliberative body for adult conversation. Calling someone Satan, claiming to smell Sulfur, and crossing yourself for protection from evil spirits is not how adults at The UN are supposed to debate the weighty issues.

Even if he had compared Bush to Hitler, that would have been acceptable to me. At least, Hitler was a real, political figure with a known history and doctrine. Hitler and his aftermath are a key reason why we have a United Nations.

[Nutmegger]

5. Let me know when this happens:

Damn it, I couldn't find the gif lol.

[ldf]

6. it was brought up in my office today, too.

i took pleasure in bringing them up to speed on WHY chavez had every right to say what he said.

little steps....

[Dr.Phool]

7. He said that at the U.N., An International forum.

Next they'll be saying we can't criticize the chimp,er, prez.

Wait, they're already saying it.

Let's return to the simpler days when Kruscheve would pound his shoe on the table.

[LTR]

8. So, if they hated Clinton when he was president...

...does that make them ashamed to be American?

[sweetheart]

9. They love speaking for 'uz'

Its so apparent in every grab.

[InternalDialogue]

10. Not that it will matter to her,

but does she realize that the United Nations complex is technically international territory? When you enter the United Nations in New York, you effectively leave America. It's no more belongs to Americans than it does to Venezuelans.

[yorkiemommie1]

12. happened at my work too

I told her 'well * goes around calling everybody else evil'. she shut up.

[Beelzebud]

13. Was that Rangle or Pelosi? Must be weird working with them.

[Poll_Blind]

15. Somehow I missed your message before replying. Spot-on! n/t

PB

[Poll_Blind]

14. That idiot at work unknowingly parroted comments from top DEMS today.

To wit:

From Charlie Rangel (emphasis mine):

...together they can do, politically, what they see fit to do. But you don't come into my country, you don't come into my congressional district, and you don't condemn my president. If there is any criticism of President Bush it should be restricted to Americans, whether they voted for him or not. And I just want to make it abundantly clear to Hugo Chavez or any other president: Don't come to the United States and think, uh, because we have problems with our president, that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our chief of state.

Are there any questions?

I've said it all.

  You sure have, Charlie. You said it all.

  Please don't take my word for it, watch this on YouTube right now. I'm fairly shocked that the Democratic leadership and the GOP didn't hurry to the steps of the congress and sing The National Anthem in a panicked show of unity.

  So far, btw, Tom Harkin was the only one in Democratic leadership who did NOT echo your Freeper Co-Worker's sentiments, Liberty bless him!

PB

[YOY]

16. Or maybe wittingly trying to bait me

However, unlike her I don't feel the urge to lockstep with anyone with my party's affiliation when they speak.

[1932]

17. She sounds like Pelosi and Rangel.

[YOY]

19. Kind of sad isn't it?

n/t