Ok DU, Please Take Part In This Straightforward And Fair Poll. Re:Chavez

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

Poll question: Ok DU, Please Take Part In This Straightforward And Fair Poll. Re:Chavez

Please vote below your personal view on Hugo Chavez. It is a standard scale of 1-5 with 1 being 'very negative' and 5 being 'very positive'.

Just want to gauge the overall community mix. Thanks in advance for your participation.

[wtmusic]

1. Chavez is a thug

Was I first? Do I win? :shrug:

[RethugAssKicker]

23. WHY is he a thug?....

[Nutmegger]

2. Here's another interesting poll I conducted:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2183300&mesg_id=2183300

[dave502d]

3. Chavez is a thug. n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

4. Apparantly, most DU'ers agree with the delegates.

Who gave him an ovation.

[Clarkie1]

10. That's a black mark on this community. Nothing to be proud of. nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. Because they agree with the delegates to the UN?

Instead of with our spinelss "leaders" and Bush?

[KAZ]

16. Please explain Mr. Clarkie.

I'm a Clark guy too, but I'm still happy Hugo went off the deep end at the UN. Needed to be said.

[tnlefty]

25. I'd be interested in that, also. Afterall BushCo** did try a coup on

Chavez's behind in April '02, and if I were in his shoes I might have some hard feelings, too. Then Dimson** launches an illegal war, killing thousands of innocent Iraqi's and the world is leary of him, or hates his guts, and no one, no one is supposed to say anything questionable about him?

[IChing]

21. I didn't insult your vote

I'm not surprise though you insulted my vote.

[scarletwoman]

28. No, idiotic whole-hog swallowing of corporate media propaganda is the

REAL black mark on the DU community.

The uninformed/misinformed people who parrot the "Chavez is a thug" line without having done the least bit of research into the FACTS of his presidency and the Bolivaran Revolution that he has set in motion are the real black marks.

I am ashamed that so many DUers are such willing dupes to mainstream corporate propaganda.

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[personman]

31. It's a black mark on the democrats who are denouncing him.

Their impotence is exposed and perhaps their egos are hurting. Chavez showed what opposition to these villians in the whitehouse looks like and the world cheered him.
American's should be ashamed of their government and their politicians (atleast if the whole freakin' worlds' opinion is any indication). We can do better. If we can't do better, we deserve the scorn of the international community.

We need more progressive progressives and more democratic democrats.

[Cha]

44. Bullshit! n/t

[oblivious]

14. That's a gold star for this community. Somethig to be proud of.

[MrSlayer]

5. Indifferent.

I don't care about him one way or the other although he does say some amusing things about The Chimp.

[Generic Other]

6. Greg Palast interview with Chavez

He sounds pretty reasonable to me. Worth a listen.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2185389

[Clarkie1]

7. Chavez is a petty, childish, ignorant, lying thug not worthy of a DU poll.

More importantly, let's put our energy into winning in 06' and not make Venezuela's problem our problem.

Let's not support treating the U.N. like a primary school playground, irregardless of who is doing the name-calling.

[Minstrel Boy]

34. "not make Venezuela's problem our problem"?

Own up to your history and you'll learn you have no choice. The United States has made itself Venezuela's - and all of Latin America's - problem for more than a century. Chavez represents the spearhead of the solution.

[mike_c]

43. very well said....

:toast:

[Jcrowley]

8. More importantly what do the Venezuelan people think?

Over 85% of the working class and working poor voted for Chavez

I support people who support the people.

[mike_c]

9. chavez is a champion of the poor who is sticking a pin in U.S. hegemony...

...in the Americas. That alone deserves kudos IMO.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. How dare he attack our brilliant, humanitarian, prezdent???

Why, why, it might offend the "Love it or Leave it" flag waving moderates and interrupt their indifference to the crimes that BushCo has committed and continues to commit.

[The Straight Story]

11. Seems like more Hot threads attacking dems than bush tonight :)

And those threads are attacking dems for not spending more time attacking bush :)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

13. LOL!

:rofl:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

20. Welcome to the Democratic Party: We eat our own!

:9

[Idioteque]

15. I can't believe so many liberals admire an authoritarian socialist. n/t

[enigmacat]

18. Do you know what "authoritarian socialist" even means?

Or liberal?

[RC]

24. Socialism is bad because...?

Oh, yeah, it's the same as communism. Communism is the opposite of capitalism. Capitalism is good because The good 'ol US of A was made great because of Capitalism. :sarcasm:
Right wing talking point anyone?

Hugo Chavez is doing a lot better running Venezuela than the neocons are this country.

http://news.google.com/news?q=Hugo+Chavez&hl=en&lr=&sa=X&oi=news&ct=title

[Idioteque]

29. Socialism is bad because planned economies don't work. n/t

[RC]

47. In other words a commune.

so·cial·ism ( s½“sh…-l¹z”…m) n. 1. a. A social system in which the means of producing and distributing goods are owned collectively and political power is exercised by the whole community.

[enigmacat]

17. The "Chavez is a thug" comments, are incredibly laughable and lame.

Why? Because there is NEVER any supporting evidence. Case rests.

[Name removed]

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[mike_c]

33. Chavez was a hero long before he called Bush a devil...

...and he'll be a hero long after you finish calling him names.

[Clarkie1]

38. I agree Chavez is a hero.

Cesar, that is.

[Flanker]

36. Did you even READ your links?

1) was police corruption/brutality

2) was Chavez saying they suck

3) was police corruption/brutality

[Clarkie1]

37. Yep, I did. Obviously, you did not.

Where, exactly, does it say Chavez was saying his police/security forces "suck?"

[IChing]

39. I read them and the complaints came from the far right.

But he doesn't read them does he?

[Clarkie1]

40. The complaints came from international Organizations such as the Red Cross

Please read.

[IChing]

41. Those reports are lame as compared to our government"s shit

http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/usa-summary-eng

20/09/2006 USA: Rendition - torture - trial? :The case of Guantánamo detainee Mohamedou Ould Slahi (REPORTS)
AMR 51/149/2006
18/09/2006 USA: Justice at last or more of the same?: Detentions and trials after Hamdan v. Rumsfeld (REPORTS)
AMR 51/146/2006
18/09/2006 USA: 'War on terror' detentions at a crossroads: New AI report on detentions and trials following the US Supreme Court's Hamdan v. Rumsfeld ruling (REPORTS)
AMR 51/148/2006
07/09/2006 USA: Government must end all secret detention and guarantee fair trials (NEWS)
AMR 51/143/2006
05/09/2006 USA: Further information on prisoner of conscience, Kevin Benderman (m) (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/142/2006
01/09/2006 USA (Oklahoma): Further information on Death penalty / Legal concern: James Patrick Malicoat (m) (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/140/2006
01/09/2006 Jordan: Amnesty International's campaign to stop torture and ill-treatment in the "war on terror" (REPORTS)
MDE 16/010/2006
01/09/2006 The Wire, September 2006. Vol. 36, No.8. (REPORTS)
NWS 21/008/2006
30/08/2006 USA (South Dakota): Further information on Death penalty / Legal concern: Elijah Page (m) (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/139/2006
14/08/2006 USA (Montana): Further information on death penalty: David Thomas Dawson (m) (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/137/2006
11/08/2006 USA: No impunity for war crimes: US administration seeking to amend the War Crimes Act (REPORTS)
AMR 51/136/2006
09/08/2006 USA (Ohio): Further information on death penalty: Darrell Wayne Ferguson (m) (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/132/2006
09/08/2006 USA / Macedonia / Germany: The Rendition of Khaled el-Masri (REPORTS)
AMR 51/133/2006
04/08/2006 USA (Oklahoma): Death penalty / Legal concern: James Patrick Malicoat (m) (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/129/2006
03/08/2006 USA (Ohio): Death penalty: Darrell Wayne Ferguson (m) (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/128/2006
02/08/2006 USA (South Dakota): Death penalty / Legal concern: Elijah Page (m) (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/126/2006
02/08/2006 USA: Further information on: Incommunicado detention/detention without charge/legal concern, Ali-Saleh Kahlah al-Marri (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/127/2006
01/08/2006 The Wire, August 2006. Vol. 36, No.7. (REPORTS)
NWS 21/007/2006
28/07/2006 USA: UN expert body critical of US human rights record (NEWS)
AMR 51/124/2006
24/07/2006 USA: Further information on health concern/torture: Jumah al-Dossari (m) (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/122/2006
21/07/2006 USA (Virginia): Death penalty / Legal concern: Brandon Wayne Hedrick (m) (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/121/2006
20/07/2006 USA: Further information on legal concern/death penalty/torture/health concern (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/120/2006
19/07/2006 USA (Montana): Death penalty: David Thomas Dawson (m) (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/119/2006
18/07/2006 Syria : Further information on fear of torture/incommunicado detention: 'Abd al-Rahman al-Musa (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 24/050/2006
17/07/2006 USA (South Carolina): Further information on death penalty / legal concern: William Downs (m) (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/117/2006
14/07/2006 USA: Who are the Guantánamo detainees? Case sheet 17: Mohammed Al-Amin (REPORTS)
AMR 51/114/2006
14/07/2006 USA: UN Human Rights Committee to scrutinize US record at home and abroad (NEWS)
AMR 51/116/2006
14/07/2006 USA (Virginia): Death penalty / Legal concern: Brandon Wayne Hedrick (m) (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/115/2006
13/07/2006 USA (Mississippi): Further information on Death penalty / Legal concern: Bobby Glen Wilcher (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/112/2006
13/07/2006 USA (Ohio): Further information on Rocky Barton (m) (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/113/2006

50 more pages if you would like

[Clarkie1]

45. You have conceded defeat by changing the topic. nt

[IChing]

46. OK, three complaints and we have 50 pages of reports?

If you base your displeasure of Chavez on three reports vs 50 pages of reports then I see your point which is lame.

http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-usa/index link added so you can go through 50 pages of 50 complaints per page.

[IChing]

48. SO you concede defeat now with your lame comparisons

saying look, look, look, he has three complaints he is bad.
Point, match and set.

[RethugAssKicker]

22. Chavez is a hero in Latin America

and soon to be one around the World..

He fights for the common man, therefor he is ostracized.

Moderates will never be for him as you can see here by the negative responses... They bought the propaganda...

He's also a dark skinned Hispanic... I wonder if that has something to do with the negative attitued towards him... Ummmm

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

27. Hmmmm, So By That Logic,

I guess that as can be seen here by the positive responses, that his being a dark skinned hispanic is why they have a positive attitude towards him... ...Orrrrrrrr maybe bringing race into the equation as a leading factor was just nothing more than plain silly.

[RethugAssKicker]

30. Race is always in the picture here in this country.

I didn't make it that way.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

32. What An Absolutely Ridiculous Broad Brush Sentiment That Is.

[RethugAssKicker]

35. You have your opinon

and experiences. I have mine.

I think you're ridiculous!

[TheFarseer]

42. He is using questionable means to a good end

Heart is in the right place and he is trying to do great things for his people, but some of the stuff he's doing in order to achieve good means is difficult to defend at times. Not like bush, who's means are well beyond defensible and whose ends frankly don't make any sense.