What should be the Democratic position in regards to this compromise?

[kentuck]

Exactly how did they justify the torture under the "War Powers Act"? What is in the War Powers Act that permits torture which is forbidden by the Geneva Convention? How can one law override another? Should not one of them be "unconstitutional" if they are in conflict with each other? What exactly did McCain and Graham agree to? Has anyone seen any details? It sounds like they might have been taken out back and somebody put a boot up their righteous asses?

If the Democrats cannot unite against torture, then what could we possibly unite on? Are we that divided as a Party? If so, we need to take a long hard look in the mirror, in my opinion. We need to hear where our leadership stands on this. I hope they show a spine and a conscience.

[annabanana]

1. Every Dem should be screaming from the rooftops....

This, this compromise is a complete and insidious sham. It must be exposed.

[Dr.Phool]

2. Fillibuster!

It's the ONLY position!

And I swear to god. Never mind.

[rzemanfl]

3. They should all abstain on the grounds that it is an insult to the

nation that such a thing could even be discussed. Don't even dignify it with a vote or debate.

[jaysunb]

13. Amen !!

:toast:

[BootinUp]

4. No retroactive provisions!

Then we take the Hill.

[napi21]

5. It's too soon to answer you. None of us know what the agreement is.

Sit tight and wait. I can't see McCain, Warner & Graha agreeing to something they fought so intensly. Try not to get too excited until we find out IF there's something to fight here.

[kentuck]

6. Tony Snow says the President got everything he wanted....

and Graham and McCain were all smiles and concilatory in their press conference. They never said they were in disagreement over anything? What should we think??

[babylonsister]

8. What else could Tony Snow say? He's not always completely

'forthright'.

[Jack Rabbit]

9. Normally, I;d take McCain's and Warner's word.

Being able to lie with a straight face is part of the job qualifications in the White House. Mr. Snow worked for FoxNews for ten years, so we know he can do it.

[babylonsister]

10. Thanks for your voice of reason, napi21.

I'm waiting to hear the full story myself. IF it's even been decided yet.

[mike_c]

7. ANY agreement that results in diminuition of civil rights or POW rights...

...is a shameful defeat for America. ANY dem who fails to oppose such a bill betrays the principles America stands for, IMO. Or endorses the principles the neocons are substituting for American values. In either event, this is a shameful day in American history. I'm shocked and saddened that we're even having this discussion. This is not the America I grew up in.

[Eric J in MN]

11. Oppose the creation of military tribunals and the lessening..

....of prisoners' rights

We have federal courts in the US to try terrorists. We should use them.

We have standards for treating prisoners under the Geneva Conventions. We should follow them, and subject interrogators who break the Geneva Conventions to prosecution and lawsuits.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing

Edmund Burke

Hopefully, our "leaders" will do more than wring their hands while voting for torture, false imprisonment, and kangaroo courts.

[keopeli]

14. Answer: There is no room for compromise. Americans do NOT torture people

Keep it simple.
Repeat it over and over.
Americans do NOT torture. Republicans think otherwise.

[ewoden]

15. Can you point to me what is available. . .

in writing about the nature of the compromise? I don't even know what is in there. As far as I know, the administration lost the works and are just posturing about a victorious retention of tools to deal wioth terrorism. What's really in the final position?