We need to be alert to Rovian tactics. We are being played

[DianeG5385]

See this thread from last week. The so-called Repub fight was as we thought; a ruse to make them look strong on security and the Dems weak. This comes the same week that Ahmadinejad and Chavez are out there poisoning the atmosphere. (See post 45)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2151155#2153507

[DianeG5385]

1. Kick!

n/t

[Monkeyman]

2. K&R

[ewoden]

3. We are being played on quite a few fronts. . .

Not the least of which is the degree to which DUers seem to be disgusted with the Dems that took Chavez to task. Whay do you think that the repubs said nothing? Because Chavez just proved to the republican body politic that bad guys hate the Republican way, thus more firmly ensconcing them into lock step with the administration. Meanwhile, good people in the Democrat camp wail and moan and call their leaders turncoats for supporting the ideal that Heads of State should not call each other names because that is no way to foster undertanding and an atmosphere of diplomacy! Will they then abandon them at the polls in November? Who will they then vote for? An independent? Nobody? Either way the Republicans win. Perhaps Chavez is sponsored by Rove?

[Singular73]

7. LOL

I wouldnt go that far.

It was just political opportunism at its finest.

The dems did exactly the right thing admonishing Chavez, but it STILL helped the tughlicans.

[KaptBunnyPants]

15. Chavez is not a bad guy.

If you keep letting them smear at will, you will run out of allies to discard. And Chavez is an ally, not just of us but of every decent human being on this planet.

[raysr]

4. Bush wants to

make what he's already done legal after the fact.

[Monkeyman]

5. Yep But lets not play just vote on it Get back on issues

We win we can take major action then

[Raffi Ella]

6. D.U.

is being played like a violin.

[Fovea]

10. We show our weaknesses and our strengths here.

When we pile on Chavez, even though he is not a Democrat or Republican, we show a weakness to KKKarl.

If we were better organized, we would be re-framing, not flaming.
I am going to try to focus on what hurts the puggies most in the coming weeks.

[Singular73]

8. Wrong on the infighting

If anything, this helped the democrats.

If the president is so "out of control" that "mavericks" <--- key term, in his own party are needed to stop him, then it only helps democrats.

Its not even a question.

It strengthens their campaign, which is to run against Bush.

McCain, who is a moderate, isn't helping this by fighting them.

What the Republicans WANTED was for the democrats to scream bloody murder. Instead, they got an insurrection.

It bit them in the ass, bigtime.

Thats why they had to patch this compromise together...it was killing them.

[Erika]

11. Yeah Americans don't really like torture

Except for the scaredy kat republicans. They don't even have the conscience to think about the fact they are allowing torture of people who never hurt us.

That is the point we need to make. At www.icasualties.org

We're helping with the genocide of Iraqis. This is what we need to be talking about.

[Canuckistanian]

9. Voice your own opinions!

Never mind what comes out of Nancy Pelosi's or Charlie Rangel's or Diane Feinstein's (or even Howard Deans's) mouth.

Form your own opinion and make it known to your reps!

[doublethink]

12. Best thread I can relate to tonight ...

fuck um, keep fighting. :)

[pat_k]

13. Dems need to stop worrying about what THEY may do and just . . .

. . .friggin' stand up and do their sworn duty.

They've spent WAY too much time paying attention to Republican propaganda ("We need to focus on a positive agenda," "Americans don't like devisiveness, so we'd better shut up")

As long as they continue to try to escape from their duty to demand Impeachment of Bush and Cheney, they will sound like morally confused, mealy-mouthed morons. As long as they continue to say "Don't worry, we have no intention of Impeaching the man," they are silenced on ALL the crimes being committed by the Bush syndicate.

The only way to fight war criminals is to tell the truth about them -- to accuse them and demand punishment. The only way to fight fascists is to overcome your fears and stand up and fight them.

The fascists are trying to pass the War Criminals Protection Act of 2006, pure and simple. The bill has NO other purpose than to gut U.S Code of any avenue through which the war criminals in the Executive Branch could be prosecuted.

If the Dems tell the truth, they must Impeach. But they are silenced and trapped in denial and delusion, holding on to their irrational fear that they must deny any intention to Impeach, or something BAD will happen.

It is UTTERLY Mystifying. More of us need to have conversations with these people, or with members of their staffs, to find out what in heavens name they could be thinking.

What "positive agenda" do they think they can accomplish when the White House is occupied by a man who rules by signing statement?

Winning the House or Senate is meaningless when the laws passed aren't worth the paper they are printed on.

Impeachment IS Our Positive Agenda -- it is the only way we can redemm our national soul.

What are they afraid of? That the right will get riled because the Dems will impeach?

The right already IS riled because they believe the Dems will impeach -- they just think Dems are too weak and hypocritical to admit it (and they are right -- except that unless we push them, most Dems will still be too wimpy to impeach even if they win). If Dems stood up and demanded impeachment right now, they would probably get some of those folks on the right just for showing they have the spine to stand on principle!

Nancy Pelosi sounded like a crazy person tonight on the Newshour -- blathering on about bi-partisanship, civility, yada, ysda. . . could she really have NO concept of the reality they face? It is physically painful to watch them shooting themselves in the head with their lunatic "strategery."

[femrap]

14. So Rove and Chavez are in cohoots????? nt