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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:26 PM
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Who gives a shit that Allen has Jewish ancestry?
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 09:27 PM by Ignacio Upton
Those on the right who are claiming that we are being anti-Semitic for asking about his ancestry is bullshit. I'm wondering though, why Allen is uncomfortable with talking about whether or not he's Jewish. I honestly don't care what religion he is, because he's still a racist douchebag anyway. I'm thinking that he doesn't want to alienate the bubbas because, gosh darnit, they ain't gonna vote for no Joooos!
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:28 PM
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1. Obviously, he does.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:28 PM
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2. Some of his base perhaps?
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:30 PM
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3. Makes sense
It's only hip to be "pro-Israel" among conservatives because they want to bring about the rapture. And when that happens, the majority of the Jews are supposed to be killed, so sayeth the fundies.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:32 PM
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4. The Mormons?
I mean they like that stuff don't they?

:) :evilgrin: :spank:
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:33 PM
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5. I'm wondering if they'll posthumously baptize him when he dies?
n/t.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:34 PM
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6. Allen's just trying cover up he's French
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:36 PM
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7. Isn't Lumbroso an Italian name?
I've read about people with that name who are either Italian, French, Tunsian, or all of the above. Why are people from France with that name? Jews from Italy fleeing from persecution? I know that Lumbroso is a sephardic Jewish name.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:50 PM
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13. Some want to "tie up" his statement that he didn't
know what "macaca" means. My understanding is that it is a French colonial derogatory for the indiginous people. He can't bring himself to admit his mama taught him the word.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:06 PM
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16. IT'S NOT FRENCH, IT'S ITALIAN
in French it's "macaque" pronounced "MAKAK"and BTW not specially aimed at Arabs and it's not "colonial". A macaque is a kind of monkey and the word is used in a derogatory way mostly against non whites but sometimes even against whites.

macaca is Italian
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:01 PM
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15. Read here the Lumbroso background
Jewish families that flew the Inquisition in Portugal ended up in Italy where they become rich under Catherine of Medicis (among other activities were slave trade). Some moved to Tunisia but came immediately in conflict with the other "oriental" Jews alraedy living there. No marriages, own synagogues, own cemetary. They collaborated with the Italians against France.

They were formally "French" under the protectorate, very little Tunisian and very Italian-Jewish.

The source is a jewish sefarad source :

Ces derniers commercèrent avec l'Angleterre, la Hollande et la France. Ils durent précipitamment quitter au XVI éme siècle le Portugal. Un grand nombre s'est installé à Amsterdam, ou à Londres d'où ils partirent fonder des colonies dans le nouveau monde , d'autres, après avoir cherché asile en Europe, trouvèrent refuge en Italie, plus précisément en Toscane. C'est donc un siècle après l'expulsion, en 1592 que Ferdinand 1 er de Médicis, protecteur de Galilée les invite. Ils peuvent en toute liberté pratiquer leur religion, s'installer dans des villes en pleine mutation intellectuelle et architecturale comme Florence, Pise, célèbre par sa Tour penchée et Livourne, grand port de commerce de l'époque. La décision des Médicis n'était d'ailleurs pas innocente, car les juifs avaient non seulement le sens du commerce, mais gardaient des liens étroits d'amitié avec leurs coreligionnaires de l'empire Ottoman. Ils devenaient le trait d'union entre l'Orient et l'Occident. De Toscane, dès le XVIII éme siècle, des familles partirent s'installer à Tunis, et firent de Livourne et des princes de Toscane les interlocuteurs privilégiés des Ottomans et des Arabes : Rachat des esclaves faits prisonniers par les pirates, commerce de matières premières, d'épices et de produits artisanaux, ils participèrent à la création des premières industries, ces juifs parlaient l'italien, et ne se mariaient qu'entre eux.. On les appela les "GRANA" ou Livournais. Habillés à l'européenne, portant perruque, ils avaient leurs propres rites, leurs propres synagogues, leurs officiants et rabbins, leurs cacheroutes, leurs cimetières, et se considéraient comme le fleuron de la bourgeoisie venue d'Europe. Ils fondèrent le "Souk el Grana" qui fut le centre commercial de la veille ville. L'arrivée de cette nouvelle communauté provoqua la création d'un schisme qui divisa les juifs de Tunisie pendant presque deux siècles. Le premier accord a été ratifié par le très célèbre "Baba Sidi", Rav Abraham Taïeb en 1741, il concrétisa malheureusement la séparation des deux communautés Ils n'avaient pas ou peu de relations avec les juifs autochtones (TOUANSA) tunisiens qui eux parlaient le judéo-arabe se vêtaient à l'orientale. Les relations entre les deux communautés étaient tendues. Les "Grana" soutinrent l'Italie tout au long du XIXémé siècle dans sa lutte pour la colonisation de la Tunisie, contre la France. Les Beys de Tunis ne cédèrent pas à la pression. Ce n'est qu'à la fin du XIX éme siècle, après le décès du Grand Rabbin des Grana : Tapia, et sous la pression des autorités françaises que la fusion fut acceptée. Cet état de fait n'a été véritablement aboli que lorsque les autorités, au lendemain de la première guerre mondiale prirent la décision de raser le mur du cimetière de Tunis, qui séparait, même dans la mort les deux communautés. Quelques noms de Grana : Cardoso, Castro, Cassutto, Lumbroso, Mendoza, Moreno, Malka, De Paz, Louisada, Boccara,… Les DE PAZ construisirent une industrie basée sur les sucreries, les bonbons et surtout se rendirent célèbre en commercialisant le "Halva le Lion". La période de 1940 à 1944 fut tragique pour la communauté, mais seuls les juifs de Sfax portèrent l'étoile jaune, car malgré les ordres du gouvernement français de Vichy, le Résident Général de France n'appliqua pas à la lettre les décrets, mais un numerus closus fut imposé dans les écoles, et sous la pression des troupes d'occupation allemandes et italiennes, le travail obligatoire mobilisa tous les jeunes juifs dans les camps du Borgel et de Bizerte, quant au Bey, il protégea les juifs. La libération par les troupes alliées finit par arriver, à la tête des troupes libératrices le Général Montgomery.

http://janine.sefarad.org/dossier.php/id/50/
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:52 PM
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17. So Allen is technically Italian-Jewish
By way of French-Tunisia.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:45 PM
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8. All those closet KKK members will remember come election day
I remember driving from Richmond to Roanoke in the 90's for work and seeing LOTS of triple crosses along the highway up on farms. THAT is Klan country, and they don't care about nothing but Christian and racial purity, and since it was hidden by Allen, it will piss themn off wven more.

They won't show up to vote. If they do Webb will get it because he is military.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:46 PM
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9. I have no problem with his Jewish ancestry.
But, I do have a major problem with his racism. And just about every vote he's ever cast in the Senate.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:47 PM
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10. Right wing nutjobs, that's who
And that's the beauty of the whole thing.

Beauty: This whole question about Allen's ancestry would NEVER have started if it hadn't been for his OWN bullying of a young photographer, when Allen himself aggressively tried to embarrass and threaten the guy, calling him "macaca" more than once.

Beauty: While the wingnuts laugh at us for being angry that Allen was using a racial slur on a young man--who, unlike Allen, is a native Virginian--with Indian ancestry, those same wingnuts are also saying to themselves, "Whoa! I really liked Allen, what with all his affinity for the implied white supremacy of this bullshit macho cowboy 'southern man' act he put on! But now... gee... he's half Jewish (and he ain't no Kinky Friedman) and he's... half FRENCH... sheesh... How'm I supposed to find commonality with my white Amurican roots in a guy like THAT?"

A thing of beauty is a joy forever... or at least through 2008.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:48 PM
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11. I don't. Wasn't the issue with his mother supposed to be that she came
from an area where Macaca would have been a common insult and that's where he picked it up? Exactly how did it morph into this?
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:50 PM
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12. The Babtists in his state don't care much for the jooooz.
That's why he's trying to distance himself.

(the above misspellings were intentional BTW)
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:51 PM
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14. I don't care if he has Martian bacteria ancestry. However,
I don't like liars or bigots and that is the reason I loathe the racist Allen.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:58 PM
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18. The grand wizards won't be pleased
And Allen knows it.

He pretty much exposed his shame for being Jewish when he was talking about his mother to Blitzer. I don't believe for a second that he didn't know he was of Jewish descent, and I don't buy his mother being afraid to admit it all these years. What was interesting though, Allen said his mother was afraid her friends wouldn't like her anymore if they found out she born a Jew. There's obviously shame in the Allen household, shame of their ancestory, so they've painted themselves to the world as something they are not. I believe "phony" is the word. Couldn't happen to a better scumbag. :D
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 11:05 PM
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19. I think it's the hypocrisy factor.
Sort of like being gay and hating gays.
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