The Chavez stuff is a Rove distraction - its not important

[OzarkDem]

Who gives a rat's ass about what someone said in a speech?

Heads up here, folks. We have an incredibly important election coming up less than 2 months away. Focus on getting people out to vote and helping Dem candidates win.

Getting a Dem majority back in Congress is the most important thing to focus on right now - so lets get to work.

If you're all wound up one way or another about someone's speech, try getting out to your local Dem campaign headquarters and signing up to volunteer for some phone banking or other campaigning.

Sheesh, this is silly. You're playing right into Rove's hands, he's loving it.

Let's get to work and save democracy.

[OzarkDem]

1. Kick

Testing for GOP disruptor factor.

[chat_noir]

34. K&R

[OzarkDem]

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[OzarkDem]

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[magellan]

4. Agreed, the Chavez stuff doesn't matter

But the fact that Pelosi and Rangel went out of their way to condemn it does.

Have they done that on torture yet? Secret prisons? How about the DSM and the Liar in Chief?

[OzarkDem]

6. They had to say something

But now its time to get back to important issues.

[cali]

25. Indeed they have

Why not do some basic research before making such insinuations. Rangel has been very outspoken on the torture issue. Sheesh.

[magellan]

28. Right. First of all, cali

...don't get snotty with me. I've done nothing to deserve your attitude.

Basic research? Done. Can't find anything about either Rangel or Pelosi having gotten in front of a corporate media camera since last Friday to say something about Bush**'s pro-torture tantrum, although I'd be happy to admit that I'm wrong if you'll provide links.

[geek tragedy]

5. K&R.

Amazing the stupid shit over which people will throw great Americans like Charlie Rangel under the bus.

[OzarkDem]

7. .

[VolcanoJen]

8. Ummm... I never thought I'd say this, but...

Amen, OzarkDem.

}( ;-)

[OzarkDem]

9. Thanks

This stuff gets old after a while, doesn't it? I've got insomnia tonight and I don't feel like reading a bunch of freeper talking points.

[VolcanoJen]

10. Now that Pelosi, Rangel and Clinton have buried the myth...

... that Democrats cheered on Chavez' comments, why do DUers continue to burn the straw man?

It's fuckin' maddening. Six weeks out. I can't belive this.

[KaptBunnyPants]

21. Because Chavez is a good man, who's used his political power

to benevolent ends. That means a lot to me. The reforms he's bring to Venezuela are bringing health care and the fruits of modern life to people who have never had that before, and politically empowering people who had previously just been part of the nameless, faceless underclass. We are talking about a country that, despite it's immense wealth of natural resources, had upwards of an 80% poverty rate when Chavez came to power. While other world leaders out there are just lining their own pockets, Chavez is actually addressing the needs of his people. He's a South American Huey Long, forcing energy companies to pay a decent price for their oil, and investing that money into infastructure.

It may have been politically easier for Pelosi and Rangel to buy into the beltway view of this incident, but I don't think it was right. And I doubt we will see the political benefits you imagine. The right will continue saying whatever they think will placate their audience, regardless of our response, but I doubt this episode could ever have gotten any real political mileage for Bush. People don't like him, and they haven't liked him for a long time; that's not going to change just because some guy named Hugo Chavez doesn't like him either. And most people I meet tend not to be as squeamish about namecalling as our political and media elite. Bush called a reporter a major league asshole, and I think that was one of the only endearing moments he had in the entire campaign. It didn't hurt him in the polls, and it made him appear almost human,(no small task)...

[found object]

11. A link to all the "silliness".

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=67379 Actual transcript of Hugo's speech.

[OzarkDem]

12. Right, its not important

[Change has come]

17. read these threads...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2193788

or this one,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2194112

or this one,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2190449

or finally this one,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2838993


and try not to get Excited! :bounce:

[rman]

13. Right - standing up to US imperialism is irrelevant.

Rather we should follow the ques of our supposed representatives and take the opportunity to rally around the asshole in chief.

[OzarkDem]

14. Right now

we need to focus on getting a majority back in Congress. If we can't do that, the rest is meaningless.

[FrenchieCat]

16. Amen, amen, amen!

I'm here to fight the Republicans........and win.

I ain't here to bury my own!

[VolcanoJen]

19. Why is it so hard to understand?

If you want results, you'll need power. You'll need to win one of the chambers of Congress back. Hugo Chavez has nothing to offer us to meet that end. There are no "Bush is Evil" fence-sitters. Either you think he's evil, or you don't, but you definitely made up your mind a long time ago. The current rhetoric stokes the flames, but it doesn't bring the votes.

And none of this, absolutely none of it, matters if we are defeated in November.

[longship]

15. Totally unimportant.

ChimpCo is afraid out of their minds. They don't know what to do. All they can do is exploit shit like this while they shake in their boots about November.

They are going to try all sorts of other shit before November. But everything I see is going against them.

I don't know what the Sam Hell is going on with the candidate polls, but they can't be accurate. The pollsters are missing something important going on under the radar.

Optimism rules:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2189847&mesg_id=2189847

[KaptBunnyPants]

18. Your right, it's not important.

Just depressing, that's all. I just hope there never comes the day when it will be politically expedient for the Democratic Party to condemn me.

[upi402]

20. agreed, corporate media distractions will be constant

I'm already yacking up syrup and cotton candy and I only watched 1.5 days of the crap.

I'd no idea what TV news had become since I couldn't stand it after the Iraq invasion lies. It's even worse!

Do people not see what's being perpetrated on them? Who watches that shyte?

[Bluebear]

22. So Rove wrote Chavez' speech?

:shrug:

[farmboxer]

23. What's the difference between the Pope Calling Bush the Antichrist

and Chavez calling him a Devil?! If you look at Bush's record, could you call him an angel?

Republican media is trying to bring up the polls in favor of Bush, however, the polls don't matter, the number of voters do not matter, it's the damned Republican voting machines that have been stealing the elections.

[geek tragedy]

31. The Pope never called Bush the antichrist. That was one of Wayne

Madsen's fiction pieces.

[The Backlash Cometh]

24. You're right.

Frankly, I think the Dem leaders, Rangel and Pelosi did what they had to do, now let's move on.

[im10ashus]

26. This is the best "Chavez" thread I've seen.

K&R!

:-)

[Tin Man]

27. K&R for the "Suicide by Chavez" crowd

[treestar]

29. If *'s unpopularity is where is allegedly is then these democrats

made a colossal mistake - they could have ignored Chavez, instead they rallied around Chimpy. What a way to alienate their base.

They are like the Washington Generals - just for show, intended to lose but there to put on a show of a game so the Globetrotters can show off.

These are the incumbents, too.

They also appear to think that they need to do this to win, which shows they think freepers are the majority, and so they are appealing to THAT, rather than their base. They are actually trying to appeal to the minority that still thinks Chimpy is the greatest and strongest leader ever. That's pretty sad, because those people are going to vote Rethug anyway.

We can comment on this stuff, even six weeks from the election, thank you.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

30. It shouldn't BE a big deal

but in the heartland it is. Right now you have millions of folks who voted Republican who don't like/trust the current administration anymore. They don't know WHAT the hell to do. Vote Democratic? Scary. Very scary. They are those folks who do all that radical stuff all the time....we're not sure they are even FOR America! They seem to want things to go bad for America. This Chavez feller comes in here and badmouths our government on our soil...well, that Rangel feller and that Pelosi lady... they did the right thing. That's the American way. We stick together. Nobody talks about our own that way except US. You know, I just might vote for those Democrats after all. They're REAL Americans.

This is what I am hearing now. It's all about spin and numbers and this won't play well in Peoria if the Democrats are seen as getting behind a foreign ruler.

Just my opinion...

[Hoping4Change]

33. I couldn't agree more. Actually its a win-win for Dems not to denounce

Chavez. Its a win because like you said it expresses the outrage in the heartland so its the right political move. But its also a win to denounce Chavez because no matter how much they denounce Chavez nothing is going to erase what he said. People in the heartland may feel outrage but as the saying goes "throw enough dirt on the fan, some sticks".

I think the remarks might have struck deep because they were so surprising and they were uttered by a Populist who was talking the language of an Christian Evangelical. Had he denounced Bush as a capitalist pig it wouldn't have had much effect.

[fed-up]

32. agreed-major distraction-Contitution or Chavez????? n/t

[kerry-is-my-prez]

35. Anthing that distracts people from the REAL issues helps Bush

expect them to keep pulling more and more stunts.

[katinmn]

36. Did we need this thread? I pass over the stuff that I think

is a waste of time.

Like so many other topics, Chavez is here today, gone tomorrow.

[Snivi Yllom]

37. it sure is important to those who are more upset Chavez got spanked

Judging by the real estate at DU currently devoted to Chavez's UN speech, the passion to defend Chavez's is far stronger than the passion to win back the house and senate.

[Nye Bevan]

38. I agree that it is a distraction, but how is it a "Rove" distraction?

Karl Rove asked Chavez to call chimpy the devil?

Or did he ask Pelosi and Rangel to condemn the speech?

[katinmn]

39. Rove wanted the natl discussion to be on terrorism. He was successful

until the UN meeting. :evilgrin:

[CelticWinter]

40. I said this last nite and will say it again tonite

I dont have time to worry about Chavez, I laughed my ass off when he called fratboy the devil, but it is time to move on and get our act together so we can get our country back! We have things to fix here and its not comparing notes to see if RoveBot told Chavez what to say. To be honest if you worry about it your playing right into KKKarl's blueprint for destruction. We have elections coming up and now is not the time to be distracted on the issues at hand. Repugs love it when we get our panties in a bunch and lose focus on whats going on....that is when they screw us and they dont give us a kiss in the process. The time is now to stay focused on the elections and getting the evil ones out of office.
Thanks for letting me rant
Celtic