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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:54 PM
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Was it acceptable for Rumsfeld to call Chavez Hitler?
Did we forget WHY the Bush regime has been attacking Hugo Chavez?

Negroponte testified in a Feb.2 hearing that a combination of rising demand for energy and instability in oil-producing regions is increasing the geopolitical leverage of key producing states. "Record oil revenues and diversification of its trading partners are further strengthening the Tehran government." Negroponte warned the senate committee.

Oil was also on Negroponte's mind as he blasted Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez for his increasing relationship with Iran. Chavez "is seeking closer economic, military and diplomatic ties with Iran and North Korea," he said. Negroponte worried aloud in his statement that Chavez is looking to dump the U.S. as an oil trading partner in favor of customers like Russia and China. Although the U.S. presently gets about 60% of Venezuela's oil exports, Venezuela reportedly planned to double their exports to China by the end of the year.

Am I the only one who thinks it's out of line for the Director of National Intelligence to be musing about oil exports and alternative fuels? Not so unusual if you already consider that all of the Bush's military adventures into the Middle East are driven by their obsession for oil as well as for power.

So we shouldn't be surprised that our Secretary of torture, Don Rumsfeld, likened Hugo Chavez to Hitler. "I mean, we've got Chavez in Venezuela with a lot of oil money," Rumsfeld told the National Press Club. "He's a person who was elected legally _ just as Adolf Hitler was elected legally _ and then consolidated power and now . . . (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11780.htm)

Chavez has been the object of propaganda from our government and other interests who desperately want to control where his country's oil goes. It'sapparently fine for a senior member of the Bush administration to come out and call him Hitler, but not for him to respond (jokingly) in kind.

The hypocricy amazes me, but the lack of depth and balance given to explain the history that came before Chavez's jibe is typical. That's what folks are falling for. If the administration succeeds in demonizing Chavez they will move more aggressively against Venezuela's interests in having their own way with their resources. To ignore all of this and stretch to castigate the man makes Bush's job that much easier.

Now Chavez is to be made to blame for the unaccountable animosity of Bush and his henchmen toward Venezuela, just because he expressed his deep anger and resentment in a joke. Where's our outrage at the actions of our own government? Where's the outrage at the crimes the Bush administration is accused committing in their attempts to remove Chavez and install a puppet? All for their oil greed? All for their hunger to dominate and intimidate the world. Chavez had it right behind his joke. Bush acts as if he owns the world. That's what's keeping us locked in this military maddness. Nothing is more important than stopping him. Chavez has every right to defend himself and his country. We should have been actively helping him do that, or at least eliminating the illegal muckraking our government is doing in our name.

Instead, all our party leaders can manage is this weak 'go along, to get along' act that will prevent them from ever addressing the crimes of Bush (for oil) toward Venezuela in any effective way; all for the sake of politics and an election. It's no wonder why folks are so cynical about their commitment to the issues and concerns we care so much about.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:56 PM
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1. Did he do it on Venezuelan soil?
:sarcasm:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:56 PM
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2. How dare you criticize our Secretary of Defense!
You can't do that in this country!
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:57 PM
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4. Rumsfeld is the Devil - can't you smell the sulphur?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:58 PM
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5. Oh, you thug!
Oh, my stars and garters!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 01:03 PM
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13. that's just old age. He's getting close to spontaneous combustion.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:57 PM
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3. No.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:58 PM
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6. If Chaves is Hitler, does that make Rumsfeld Goebbels?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:59 PM
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7. Who would Jesus bump off?
Chavez, according to Falwell and Robertson.

In the world of what goes around comes around, anything goes.
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:59 PM
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8. How many Hitler can their be?
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 01:00 PM
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10. "The Boys from Venezuela"
Right continent, at least...

:sarcasm:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 01:00 PM
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9. No, but it might be acceptable for Rumsfield to call himself the devil
:-)
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 01:01 PM
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11. Impossible, * is Hitler.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 01:03 PM
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12. It's like Jeffrey Dahmer saying Lorena Bobbit was cruel for cutting off
her husband's weiner while he is loading a body into a barrel of lye.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 01:08 PM
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14. The point is it is unacceptable for Chavez to act like the Bush WH.
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 01:09 PM by applegrove
It is unacceptable for anyone including Bush to act "cowboy" "name-calling" on the world's stage. For sure point out dangers. I though Chavez commenting on "how * thinks he owns the world" was important. But that great point was diminished by the devil thing.

Would it be okay for you to start appealing to people's baser instincts..would that be good for the Democratic party? Nope. It is bad whoever does it. Chavez made a mistake. And we should not support him blindly. He has some issues. But yeah - I believe he is trying to make the lives of all Venezuelans better (for once). But why oh why did he have to let his message be taken over by childishness?

Bill Clinton said that Chavez could have 'just told the truth' and that is the message that would have gotten out: "Venezuela has tried democracy and trade to help its poor - now it is trying other stuff because the other two have not worked on their own". Or somethink like that.

Instead..the message is "Bush is the devil nah nah nah nah nah nah!" It in fact helps Bush's cause the destroy Chavez.





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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 02:34 PM
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18. Bill Clinton said that Chavez could have 'just told the truth'.....
Bwahahahaha

Isn't that kinda of the pot calling the kettle black ????

So, because Chavez showed a little poor decorum, but was absolutely on target we should all hate him now and condemn him???


I SURE WON'T BE BRAINWASHED !!!




VIVA CHAVEZ
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 02:41 PM
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20. Did Chavez get the all important message out that the poorer nations
need some redistribution of wealth and assest and land.. or no amount of trade will create a middle class? Did he get that very true thing out in front of the UN? I don't know..all I hear is he called Bush the Devil and smelt of sulphur. Not very productive for moving the world ahead..which is what leaders should do.

He was acting like *. And there is no excuse for that.

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 01:10 PM
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15. It's as American as torture. Our exceptionalism makes us better
so we can say and do anything we please...and it's AOK.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 01:34 PM
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16. No, it isn't. Not any time, not anywhere. nt
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 01:40 PM
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17. way out of line, but not delivered from the podium of the UN
Rumsfeld said it at a press club meeting. There is no excuse or justifcation for a Hitler reference and I don't like Chavez..

But it was not at the UN.

World of difference in my opinion.
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 02:36 PM
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19. Why don't you like Chavez??
Do you not like that he is helping the poor??
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 02:42 PM
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21. lots of people help the poor
I don't see him as a noble crusader. I think he acts like a bully, much like Cheney or Rumsfeld.
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