Enjoy your last weekend as a Democrat.

[BuyingThyme]

Yes, I know. You thought the GOP was the latest incarnation of the Nazi Party. I did too. But, as it turns out, they’re little more than modern-day Brownshirts -- common thugs tasked with bullying you into submission.

It’s your party, the Democratic Party, which is standing down as your Bill of Rights is surrendered to the latest Fuehrer. It’s your party, the Democratic Party, that is standing down as Dick Cheney is given the power to decide when you can be held without charges, when you can be disappeared to a secret prison, and when you can be tortured to death. It’s your party which trusted your future to the likes of John McCain.

And while your rights are being surrendered, Harry Reid is quietly wandering into the forest to gather nuts to prepare for another cold winter. John Kerry is again leaving the country, perhaps figuratively, likely literally. Miss Modulation will once again read a beautiful declaration of vigilance before retreating to her New York hideaway.

Nobody is lifting a finger for you. But in a few weeks you will go to the polls to cast votes for the fools who trusted your country to a man who previously crapped on the face of his own wife to serve his political aspirations.

“Subpoena power,” you say? Forget it. Next week, the Dry-powder Gang will give Dick Cheney the power to decide who can be subpoenaed, what the word crime really means, and which members of society are exempt from your silly system of laws.

And don’t buy what Randi Rhodes and company are selling today. We knew all along that the Republicans would go for this. It’s the Democrats who sold us out.

[Kolesar]

1. Can I "un-recommend" a thread?

Because I would like to "un-recommend" this one.

[Jacobin]

2. Unpleasant, no?

[Richardo]

11. Best. Possible. Reponse.

:rofl:

[grytpype]

21. Maybe the Drama Queen Faction would like to all vote for Nader.

The country has been taken over by some very evil and very incompetent people. They are calling the shots, not the Dems.

Does anyone think if the Dems were in charge we would be talking about torturing people? Of course not.

But a lot of people here who ARE NOT THINKING VERY CLEARLY are blaming the Dems for all this.

Why? Because they didn't jump on the land mine like Karl Rove wanted them to? Because they didn't hand Rove an issue to beat them with by making a futile effort to stop the torture bill? Because they didn't put on a show for you?

If the Repugs want to legalize torture, we can't do anything about it. They're the freaking majority right now.

And there is only one way to change that, and that is for the Dems to win the midterms.

If letting the Repugs have their way (for now!) on torture will help the Dems win, then f*ck yes, let them have their way. And sadly, a lot of Americans are too stupid and evil themselves to understand what's wrong with torture. Not us, obviously, but a lot of people, and those stupid motherf*ckers vote.

There is only ONE DAMN THING I want the Dems to do right now and that is WIN THE MIDTERMS. Nothing will change for the better unless that happens. The Dems need to do whatever is necessary to win the damn election. And if you can't understand that, just go f*cking vote for Ralph Nader, because you're worthless.

[patcox2]

26. An amazing imitation of the overwrought style of W.R. Pitt.

Though Pitt, bless his dramatic queenly soul, would not agree with the content.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

60. I think Will would agree with the content

I certainly do. And I also un-recommend this fucking "thread".

[ShortnFiery]

30. If Nader had a snowball's chance in hell of winning, I'd vote for him

in a heartbeat. :-) :hi:

[grytpype]

39. He would have to have a lot more than a snowballs' chance to deserve vote.

Dems have to start winning elections.

They have to fricking win elections.

They can't win by appeasing every liberal impulse, there are too many mouthbreathers in this damn country for that, and the Repugs have all the damn money and own everything.

If liberals were 80% of the country and owned the media, then fine, but they're not and they don't.

Sorry to interject some reality, but there it is.

[robertarctor]

3. Slow Friday in the RNC dirty tricks basement?

Here, read this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2198952

[fooj]

4. The people of this country WILL make a difference.

I don't buy into this "isolationist" BS. We are NOT alone. I will never give up on my country just as I will ALWAYS remain a Democrat. It's who I am.

IMO, Randi isn't "selling" anything. She is speaking to what she believes to be true.

Aren't YOU a Dem? Have you "sold out"? Do you really believe that Conyers is selling us out? Waxman? Feingold?

[BuyingThyme]

20. Feingold yes.

And as soon as this bill is signed, Conyers and Waxman don't matter.

[mdmc]

5. HOPE = Bernie Sanders

www.bernie.org

If he was a Senator in 2000, we would have had someone to stand up for the Black Congressional Caucus.

Keep hope alive!

[wyldwolf]

18. Bernie Sanders = Not Democrat

No thanks!

[mdmc]

24. Zell Miller

:patriot:

[wyldwolf]

32. what about him?

[mdmc]

33. He is a right, honorable Dem

I would prefer a liberal progressive over a rat worm dem any day. Bernie Sanders is better then 98% of our party; we could all learn from him.

peace. peace and low stress...

[wyldwolf]

113. Miller a rat worm, yes. Sanders better than 98% in our party? NO.

[undeterred]

6. Hide thread.

[gully]

7. Where, show me the vote?

eom

[BuyingThyme]

97. You get to watch them stand down next week.

(After this weekend.)

[gully]

99. LOL.

How many will "stand down?" One, ten, twenty? What percentage do you predict will vote in favor of torture?

[BuyingThyme]

105. I suspect all will stand down; none will attempt to prevent a vote;

none will honor their oaths to protect the Constitution.

[gully]

111. So, filibuster or bust huh?

I get it, it's "don't let the vote go to the floor or else" time again? Ahh, that didn't take long.

[wyldwolf]

8. I'll be back Monday as a Democrat

[gkhouston]

9. auditioning for a role in the next production of the DU Drama Queens? n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

12. !

:spray: :rofl:

[wyldwolf]

13. I have a stronger description than that...

...but it would get deleted.

[NoPasaran]

15. Stiff competition, that!

[gkhouston]

17. we're doomed, we're doomed,

we're double-dog doomed!

Sorry, just getting warmed up for October, 'cause you know the fun is just beginning.

[crispini]

63. Wait, allow me.

Dooooooooooooooooomed! Doooooooooooomed, I say! :sob: :wail: :gnashteeth:

You needed a few more o's there. ;)

[gkhouston]

64. I am humbled in the presence of true greatness.

Or is that great awfulness? :hi:

[BuyingThyme]

71. Yes, to some the loss of rights is not dramatic.

Some are too simple to understand.

[LostinVA]

84. OOOH! Good line reading!

[BuyingThyme]

98. And to others the Bill of Rights is a joke.

[ShortnFiery]

10. Much of what you say rings true ...

but we can replace "sell-out" Democrats in their next Primaries, but still stay true to our Democratic Ideals. :shrug:

Here's an excellent site that has all the information those of us who feel totally disenfranchised by the "corporate loving elements" of OUR political party can seek justified retribution.

http://www.voidnow.org/2006/08/07/will_they_get_your_vote.php

As long as Our Votes are not totally Diebolded, We The People can FORCE our Representatives to do the right thing. We need to let them know that just because they NOW represent us, doesn't make it a done deal - that despite their large campaign chests, if they sell-out their interests to placing the Mega-Corporation's welfare above that of the Average Wage Worker, they will be replaced by the democrat who runs against them in their next primary. :grr: :nuke:

Please remember that it was The Will of The People of The USA that ended The Vietnam War, NOT, I repeat NOT - by the initiative of *any* of The Democratic Party Leaders. It's time to keep voting Democratic, BUT put the incumbents "on notice" that they are being watched closely to ensure that first and foremost they support the welfare of The Average Working American in their district and/or state. :thumbsup:

[mmonk]

14. _

[BuyingThyme]

22. Doesn't your library have a dictionary?

[mmonk]

29. !

[fooj]

31. A picture is worth a thousand words.

[MamaBear]

16. .

I'm feeling just the way you are today. I'm not sure that will save this thread from the padlock as the enraged moderates fling stuff at it.

[blondeatlast]

52. Oh, golly! She called me a MODERATE!

I'm so, so, so HURT!

Sheesh--yeah, now I'm a moderate.

Right.

MamaBear and Goldilocks (who encouraged us not to bother going to the polls the other day). Yeah, sister, I care so damn much what you think.

Time to trot out ol' reliable...

[DancingBear]

19. Oh, no!

You've missed the whole "minority party" meme.

It's ALL over DU today.

Why, we little ol' Dems can't do nuttin' - we're the MINORITY party, you know.

And besides, when we WIN all of a sudden Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu and Ken Salazar will all of a sudden gorw a pair, and will JUMP on the "Impeach Bush" bandwagon!

Yesiree, they'll be right there with Conyers and Kucinich.

And Hillary will do whatever the convention wisdom OF THE HOUR tells her to do.

You're spot on, and I hope I get to post this before the "inside politics" folks here send you off to dreamland.

[geek tragedy]

43. If you want to discourage people from voting Democratic, go somewhere

else.

It's really quite simple. This is not "Green Party Underground" and it is not "Help Karl Rove keep his job Underground."

[LiberalUprising]

120. And it's not Democratic Mainstream either

Could be you need to go somewhere else?

[dolo amber]

23. I don't get it

:shrug:

[OzarkDem]

25. How much does the GOP pay you?

:eyes:

[quiet.american]

27. Huh?

ookkkayyyy.....

[warrens]

28. Do we have a "worst post of the month" category?

Man, this one is an instant winner.

[blondeatlast]

54. Well, that or Goldilock's "don't bother voting" thread from Monday.

And did you notice MamaBear echoed this OP's sentiments just upthread?

Sniff, sniff, nah, couldn't be...

[LostinVA]

85. Maybe some people have been living

Under a bridge? With a billy goat or two in the area?

[eppur_se_muova]

115. Hmmmmm...who enjoys pet goats ? nt

[elehhhhna]

34. I hate your post, and I know you, BT, are not an infil-traitor,

and I know it's also true.

NOW WHAT?

[Botany]

35. Sing Polly wolly doodle all the day

http://www.niehs.nih.gov/kids/lyrics/polly.htm

Oh, I went down South
For to see my Sal
Sing Polly wolly doodle all the day
My Sal, she is A spunky gal
Sing Polly wolly doodle all the day

Fare thee well, Fare thee well,
Fare thee well my fairy fay
For I'm going to Lou'siana For to see my Susyanna
Sing Polly wolly doodle all the day

Oh, my Sal, she is A maiden fair
Sing Polly wolly doodle all the day
With curly eyes And laughing hair
Sing Polly wolly doodle all the day

Fare thee well, Fare thee well,
Fare thee well my fairy fay
For I'm going to Lou'siana For to see my Susyanna
Sing Polly wolly doodle all the day

Behind the barn, Down on my knees
Sing Polly wolly doodle all the day
I thought I heard A chicken sneeze
Sing Polly wolly doodle all the day

Fare thee well, Fare thee well,
Fare thee well my fairy fay
For I'm going to Lou'siana For to see my Susyanna
Sing Polly wolly doodle all the day

[elehhhhna]

37. lmao.

[BuyingThyme]

40. Yes, many are clueless.

[blondeatlast]

57. And aren't afraid to show it, either.

Apparently you didn't see the amusing JPEG image accompanying the reply, but I did.

And I'm :rofl: at you for it.

[BuyingThyme]

82. Yes, that's what I was referring to, but you've proven my point.

[blondeatlast]

90. Riiiiiight...

:rofl:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

75. rotflmao....

[calimary]

36. I don't follow - "a man who previously crapped on the face of his own

wife"? Who are you referring to, Bill Clinton? 'Cause overall, he did a pretty damned good job as president. LIGHTYEARS better than this so-called one now.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

38. Thanks Karl..... We'll all be sure to vote Rep or not show up.

n/t

[geek tragedy]

41. Shame on anyone who recommended this raw sewage.

This is blatant vote suppression. I wouldn't be surprised if the OP has an IP of "hestert.house.gov."

[janx]

42. OK

[specimenfred1984]

44. You joining the Nazi party?

Enjoy prison.

[iamthebandfanman]

45. you're right

but i think we are all willing to look past them screwing us over in the past just to get something changed. itd be nice if we didnt have to bow to them as our alternative to what we have, eh ?

*sings* you say you want a revolution .... *sings*

[geek tragedy]

46. Are you going to vote or volunteer to help Democrats defeat

Republicans?

If not, no words of condemnation are too strong for you.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

47. Who put Chicken Little chickenfood in somebody's bowl?

[janx]

49. Ahead of any election, posts like this ooze out of the woodwork.

(...as you probably know.)

[blm]

48. Can you provide cites to back up what you said? I highly doubt you

concerned yourself with what Kerry has been doing for 35 years - and I doubt you lent him a hand when he was spending his time uncovering most of the corruption we know of today - cuz you would either be dead or without a job like most reporters.

[BuyingThyme]

51. Oh, is Kerry going to kill this bill? Tell us more.

I can't believe I got this so wrong.

[geek tragedy]

53. You'd rather whine than help Democrats become the majority

party.

Makes you a Karl Rove Democrat.

Trying to discourage Democrats from voting should be an instantly bannable offense.

[BuyingThyme]

56. Yes, your ban on speech explains your position perfectly.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

69. your lack of support for Democrats

good Democrats like John Kerry, speaks volumes as well.

[blondeatlast]

79. Regarding your last line--I so agree.

I'm going to write to tha Admins now, in fact.

This is about the fifth thread I've seen this week advocating not voting or voting for other than Dems.

[LostinVA]

87. I know -- sickening

[blm]

55. If you're talking about the torture bill - A Dem majority could REVISIT

such a bill that a GOP majority would not.

[BuyingThyme]

59. I don't like having to VISIT my rights.

But your words ring powerful.

[blm]

61. I understand, really I do - but it always comes down to the math.

.

[draloo]

50. "There's not a dimes worth of difference between the two"

I am afraid that if one looks back over the last six years, you will see that Gov. Wallace was correct. "There's not a dimes worth of difference between the two"

[blondeatlast]

58. Never mind. nt

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

62. Obviously A Statement From Someone Completely Ignorant Of The Situation.

Anyone who thinks there isn't a dimes worth of difference between the two parties is grossly misinformed and completely ignorant of facts.

[SammyWinstonJack]

70. Ralph?

:shrug:

[draloo]

104. Casey Jones-Red or Blue

That's the problem. There is no alternative. Murtha is corageous but the people write him off as a crackpot. It doesn't matter whose hand is on the throttle of the economic trainwreck coming. Americans survived the Great Depression because people were essencially more civil with each other and because a large portion of the population lived on farms and could at least produce food. When the economic displacement coming occurs, chaos will rule.

[blm]

73. Tell that to the women's clinics, teachers, nurses, the VA, the military,

the environment. Heck Usama Bin Laden was AFRAID Bush would lose in 2004, and he couldn't lose his best recruiting tool.

Seems House of Saud and the oil companies and developers DO see a difference that YOU don't, and that's why we're in this predicament.

[applegrove]

65. The ghost of Ralph Nader. GOP working hard on apathy. Thanks

for this brilliant parody of how stupid the GOP really thinks Dems are.

:rofl:

[specimenfred1984]

66. No mention of torture, why not?

Well?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

67. Ever Think Of Writing For SNL? You're A Really Good Comedic Writer!

[BuyingThyme]

72. Please tell us why the rights of Americans are a joke to you.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

76. Whoa! Now You Get The Emmy For Strawman Of The Year!

:rofl:

[BuyingThyme]

77. You're the second person in this thread who's misused the word STRAWMAN

while making light of an important issue.

But we're all impressed with the rofl.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

78. No, As A Matter Of Fact The Post Referenced Was The Epitomy Of A Strawman.

[BuyingThyme]

81. Okay; explain. Yours will be the first intelligent flame in this thread.

Good luck.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

86. I Have No Desire To Teach You The Concepts Of A Strawman Nor Waste My

time debating such off-tangent concepts. You can do some very simple self research on forging a strawman argument and it would take you less than a minute to find examples that will grant you the knowledge to realize how obvious a strawman your argument was. A conversation of "I find your overly dramatic interpretation in the OP to be comical" with a response of "I guess that means the rights of Americans are a joke to you" could be used as a textbook example of a forging a strawman argument. But you can find that out for yourself.

As far as intelligent debate goes, I have zero motivation to actually lend credence to nor debate the overdramatized premise in the OP. I also would have no desire to debate someone claiming Jeb bush is an alien that is forming an army of pod people.

[BuyingThyme]

92. Wow! You sure said a lot about what you don't want to say anything about.

Is there going to be a Part Two? Or have you demonstrated everything you don't know?

[eppur_se_muova]

117. Karl -- he knows about the pod people. Take care of it. JEB

This goes directly to your mailbox, right?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

119. Ummmm, Uddah Wha Now?

[Vinnie From Indy]

68. Personally, I'll take the "devil" I don't know in the Dem party rather

than the devils I do know in BushCO.

[emanymton]

74. What Are You Going On About?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

80. Brilliant piece of satire. Maybe this guy is a budding Colbert....

He's pointing out to use how utterly ridiculous that sort of sentiment is by going waaay over the top.

[LostinVA]

88. No, he scarily isn't...

[LostinVA]

83. WTF???

[beachmom]

89. You know, this is foolish

Sure I am diappointed thus far in how Dems fought this thing but it is hardly over. Congress adjourns next Friday. There's a good chance this bill will not have enough time to go through the whole process. It may have to wait until the next session.

And starting Monday, I will STILL be a Democrat thank you very much.

[BuyingThyme]

94. But what will it mean to be a DEMOCRAT?

[Ksec]

91. In two months this will all be over...fingers crossed

Im holding out hope ..

If we lose , the nightmare on Pennsylvania Avenue continues. Thats my cue to get a passport and look for a new country to live in.

[sweetheart]

93. We sold our soul to corporatism

Spent the retirement on a war,
Sold our soul to torture for,
waste your vote walmart more,
All's a prison, love is war..

...and other tunes on this 12 hit 1-time album
of Elton John's antiwar lyrics. ;-)

[w4rma]

95. …

doublepost

[w4rma]

96. Im sick of hearing Ralph Nader's bullshit that helped us into this mess.nt

[BuyingThyme]

100. Can you be more specific?

[tblue]

101. Please take some Zoloft

We can't accomplish anything with an attitude like this. We are better than this. Now is the time to be stronger than we ever thought we could be. Stay informed, keep communicating, donate to your favorite candidates, volunteer, get your friends and family to vote. Isn't this democracy worth it, or are you content to sit back and let it go to pot? If so, please step aside. The rest of us have got work to do.

[pinto]

102. What would you have the current Congress do? The Dems?

To be fair, we don't have the votes to uphold committee action, stop a vote or defeat bills we disfavor.

I agree that the Administration is taking their advantage to the limit, constitutionally and legislatively, but I disagree that the Democrats "sold us out". We don't hold the power you say we will surrender to Cheney next week. The Republican Congress, hand in hand with the Administration, does and has sold the country out.

And, to be honest, our "silly system of laws", however flawed, seems better than any other alternative I've seen.

Thanks.

[Thickasabrick]

103. You know, I was all depressed and stuff yesterday after the

thugs agreed on how to legalize torture. But today is a new day - at worst we will have two more years of this shit. Any horrific bill they pass can always be changed.

I will not give in to defeatism.

[Swamp Rat]

106. I understand your frustration ... don't give up fighting!

If you are still (or ever were) a supporter of the Democratic party, I ask you to not give up the fight.

:patriot: AL GORE 2008!!! :patriot:

When we take back our government we will prosecute the entire Bushler Crime Syndicate via RICO, etc.

[seabeyond]

107. hyperbole. factually impotent. silly. happy weekend n/t

[BuyingThyme]

108. Any examples? Or just more projectionism?

[seabeyond]

110. is it really necessary..... to begin

last weekend as a democrat? not a little hyperbole there, not a little bit of factaul error? silly? and that is just your first sentence

[sendero]

109. Here's the problem..

.... the Democrats don't know how to frame this issue to make it a winner electorially.

It's really that simple.

I was mega pissed yesterday, and am still pissed - but here's the problem. If they try to stop this bill it will cost them any possibility of winning in November - because Average Americans don't give a shit about torture, don't give a shit about civil liberties, they don't even understand most of them.

The Republicans out-played us again, and this time I'm getting over it because they have trapped the Dems into a no win situation.

Getting control of SOME of congress is more important than ANYTHING right now. If we do, we can undo some of this bullshit. Also, the international reach of some of this verbiage is nil. Any torturer who thinks this law will protect their ass is a moron as well as a sadist.

[leftchick]

112. "Dry-Powder Gang" Indeed!

aka: Nazi Appeasers. We are so fucked. The Democratic party appears pretty damn useless.

:(

[ShaneGR]

114. I nominate this post for worst of the month..... nt

[Justice Is Comin]

116. Thank God pitchfork sales are up.

[Raine]

118. I'm a Democrat

till the day I die! :grr:

[pinto]

121. Locking. Please see this:

"Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office."

"Constructive criticism of Democrats or the Democratic Party is permitted. When doing so, please keep in mind that most of our members come to this website in order to get a break from the constant attacks in the media against our candidates and our values. Highly inflammatory or divisive attacks that echo the tone or substance of our political opponents are not welcome here."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

Thanks.