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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 05:12 PM
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The Center Cannot Hold: The Bush Regime in Crisis
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 05:14 PM by Independent_Liberal
It's over. Bush is finished. This says all.

http://the-fourth-world.blogspot.com/2006/09/center-cannot-hold-bush-regime-in_22.html

The Center Cannot Hold: The Bush Regime in Crisis

by Juan Santos

<snip>

The headlines tell the tale:



From the Washington Post: “Torture Is Torture”


From the Boston Globe: “Rebelling against torture and Bush”


From Fox News: “Bush Faces Election Year Revolt in Own Party”


From Legal News Television: “Bush Fears War Crimes Prosecution”



The President is naked: He is no longer a “wartime president” – he’s now the Torture President.


Officials in the Bush White House could be charged with war crimes.


So they were warned by then – White House Counsel Alberto Gonzalez after they launched their war against Afghanistan, according to documents obtained by Newsweek last Spring. Gonzalez warned that violations of the War Crimes Act can be punished severely – including by death, and that it was “difficult to predict with confidence” how a future Justice Department might apply the law.


Special focus was placed on language in the Geneva Conventions that condemns "outrages upon personal dignity" and "inhuman treatment" of prisoners. These crimes were "undefined," according to Gonzalez, the same plea we hear today from President Bush.


Warning the administration of its potential culpability, Gonzalez urged the President, to, in effect, bluff it out. He wrote, "Your determination would create a reasonable basis in law that (the War Crimes Act) does not apply which would provide a solid defense to any future prosecution."


A series of Administration torture memos have been made public, memos vetted by Gonzalez, lawyers at the National Security Council and staffers for Vice President Dick Cheney. They were meant to provide the regime with legal cover for state-approved torture and held that Bush, as Commander-in-Chief, was above the law.


According to a Justice Department memo on August 1, 2002, the administration’s “ban on torture is limited to only the most extreme forms of physical and mental harm" – actions that might cause "death or organ failure." Anything “less,” the regime defined as mere “abuse.”


“Abuse” would seem to include these techniques used against detainees in Iraq, according to an FBI memo released by the ACLU: “strangulation, beatings, placement of lit cigarettes into the detainees ear openings."


In a February, 2002 letter, Bush took the matter of torture on himself: "I accept the legal conclusion of the Attorney General and the Department of Justice that I have the authority to suspend Geneva (conventions) as between the United States and Afghanistan. I reserve the right to exercise this authority in this or future conflicts."


That defense evaporated with the recent Supreme Court decision in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, which held that the US is bound by the letter of the Geneva Conventions.


The administration, facing the reality of potential prosecution as war criminals, is increasingly desperate.


The GOP is a party in revolt against itself, one trying to distance itself from itself, ducking for cover from itself and from the fallout of simultaneously being too fascistic and not fascistic enough.


The Bush regime and the Republicans are in profound danger on other fronts as well. Following the lead of imperialist strategists from Democrat Zbignew Brzezinski to the Project for a New American Century, the regime committed itself to a plan of conquest in the Middle East and Central Asia, and to a fascistic program of political and racial repression at home, all under the rubric of a “war on terror.”

>>>>More at http://the-fourth-world.blogspot.com/2006/09/center-cannot-hold-bush-regime-in_22.html
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 05:18 PM
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1. INCREDIBLY recommended!!!
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 05:25 PM
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2. now that the "rebel" repug senators are back in the fold all will be fine
I hope you are right, it's just that I fear the october suprise will be a new front in the ever popular war on terra opening in Iran, and all the koolaide drinkers will get that glazed over patriotic glee watching shock'n'awe redux and then rush to the polls to vote for repugs because we must stand behind the prez in times of war.....


:eyes:
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 05:44 PM
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3. I wish I were so sanguine.
On another board, not political, a friend of mine suggested the same thing: that advocating torture would be the end of the Bush administration. But why should we think that? How many other times have we said, "surely, now, the tide will turn and this beastly president will be impeached"?

There is a koolaid drinking country out there. They are fine with torture.

:grr:
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 06:07 PM
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4. Because the three Repub "Rebels" say it's okay for Bush to go
on playing GESTAPO...does not mean that the international courts and others who are signatory to the Geneva Convention rules agree. This thing is FAR from over, IMHO, even if this kkkeystone kkkangaroo kkkrap gets through this repub dominated rubber stamp kkkongress! All the repubs in congress are doing is putting more evidence into the congressional record that can and probably will be used later to implicate them too, in this highly unlawful and barbaric activity, that the PNAC and Bush are now CLEARLY involved up to their necks in.

Compassionate Torture and KKKollaterally Damaged and Deranged PNAC Family Values, ain't gonna' fly in international courts of law, I don't think...
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 04:38 PM
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11. Graham was CENSURED by the military court a few days ago...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2842136&mesg_id=2842136

Senator Graham Censured by Army Court
September 21, 2006 6:32 PM

Ellen Davis Reports:

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) has been censured by an Army court on the same day he agreed to a deal with the White House outlining new provisions for military justice in cases involving suspected terrorists.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces yesterday held that Sen. Graham violated the Incompatibility Clause of the Constitution when, as a Reservist, he sat on the Air Force's intermediate appellate court while also a member of the Senate.
<snip>

OUCH. Apparently, "double-dipping" isn't ok with our military. Smack down.

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 06:35 PM
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5. *shadow government* will look good after this. Brilliant post! KR
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 06:39 PM by autorank
We have reached a point of no return in the collapse of our collective domination fantasies.

We have engaged in the systematic torture of thousands and we're now justifying it through the
war on terror.

From the standpoint of the administration, the media strategy is a sensible one. They have an
awful story coming out. The best thing to do is tell it from their perspective. They think
that they can control the public perceptions.

What they have done, in fact, is place the attentive public in a state of mass shock. It's difficult
to integrate the notion of 14,000 imprisoned by "our" government who are systematically tortured on
a regular basis. Very difficult. Even I have trouble with it.

The shock will turn to anger as we proceed through this, particularly when the revelations are no
longer White House driven and managed.

Why are we engaged in "interrogation" techniques that, it appears are clearly rejected by any
experienced interrogators I see or read about.

How are those interrogations memorialized?

Who reviews them?

My line of questions stops there, pending more information. But you get the drift.

We're clearly just a fews days, weeks short of a long nightmare of collective revulsion and
guilt. That will strip away any notions we have of the tired and naive concept of
American "exceptionalism."

Welcome to the new millennium. Welcome to "the horror."


http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0608/S00070.htm
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 09:34 PM
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6. 2006 elections are a referendum
Not on bush and the republicans. On us as a people.

K&R!
:kick:
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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 12:05 AM
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7. That part of a quote 'The Center Cannot Hold' is from my favorite
poem that oddly makes sense in the context of this article.
It is, as most of you know, is from 'The Second Coming' by William Butler Yeats and I will post it here so y'all won't have to go looking for it.

The Second Coming



Turning and turning in the widening gyre

The falcon cannot hear the falconer;

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere

The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

The best lack all convictions, while the worst

Are full of passionate intensity.



Surely some revelation is at hand;

Surely the Second Coming is at hand.

The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out

When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi

Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert

A shape with lion body and the head of a man,

A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,

Is moving its slow thighs, while all around it

Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again; but now I know

That twenty centuries of stony sleep

Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,

And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,

Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?




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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 07:20 PM
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12. A beauty of a poem written (possibly)
To describe the horror of living in a place (Ireland)
that has been co-opted and tortured by an occupying culture
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 10:07 AM
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8. so sad.
Edited on Sat Sep-23-06 10:08 AM by antifaschits
Six years ago, it was inconceivable that MY COUNTRY was in the forefront of destroying a decade's old world-wide agreement against torture. Here we have one of the few proud examples of civilization actually working together, and we see it being eradicated before our very eyes. Yet, we are powerless to do anything about it, absent a revolution. The Republicans control the Congress, and those in control of the GOP are in lockstep with their neocon president. To make things worse, our Democrats never once used an actual parliamentary maneuver of any sorts, much less a filibuster, and for the most part, bent over and pleaded nicely for lubricant.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 12:46 PM
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9. the law still stands and will stand until the red cross/crescent
holds the next meeting in the next few years. george bush does not have to abide with the treaty if he choses not to. it will be up to us and the world to hold him responsible for his crimes.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 01:25 PM
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10. My dad laments that * keeps winning every battle, but
look at the battles they're "winning". It's all "I am not a crook" stuff.

They're going down.
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