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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 05:14 PM
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Transcript of Remarks by President Hugo Chavez at United Nations
Representatives of the governments of the world, good morning to all of you. First of all, I would like to invite you, very respectfully, to those who have not read this book, to read it. Noam Chomsky, one of the most prestigious American and world intellectuals, Noam Chomsky, and this is one of his most recent books, ‘Hegemony or Survival: The Imperialist Strategy of the United States.’

It’s an excellent book to help us understand what has been happening in the world throughout the 20th century, and what’s happening now, and the greatest threat looming over our planet. The hegemonic pretensions of the American empire are placing at risk the very survival of the human species. We continue to warn you about this danger and we appeal to the people of the United States and the world to halt this threat, which is like a sword hanging over our heads. I had considered reading from this book, but, for the sake of time, I will just leave it as a recommendation.

It reads easily, it is a very good book, I’m sure Madame President you are familiar with it. It appears in English, in Russian, in Arabic, in German. I think that the first people who should read this book are our brothers and sisters in the United States, because their threat is right in their own house. The devil is right at home. The devil, the devil himself, is right in the house.

And the devil came here yesterday. Yesterday the devil came here. Right here.

And it smells of sulfur still today.

Yesterday, ladies and gentlemen, from this rostrum, the President of the United States, the gentleman to whom I refer as the devil, came here, talking as if he owned the world. Truly. As the owner of the world.

I think we could call a psychiatrist to analyze yesterday’s statement made by the President of the United States. As the spokesman of imperialism, he came to share his nostrums, to try to preserve the current pattern of domination, exploitation and pillage of the peoples of the world.

An Alfred Hitchcock movie could use it as a scenario. I would even propose a title: “The Devil’s Recipe.”

As Chomsky says here, clearly and in depth, the American empire is doing all it can to consolidate its system of domination. And we cannot allow them to do that. We cannot allow world dictatorship to be consolidated.

The world parent’s statement — cynical, hypocritical, full of this imperial hypocrisy from the need they have to control everything.

They say they want to impose a democratic model. But that’s their democratic model. It’s the false democracy of elites, and, I would say, a very original democracy that’s imposed by weapons and bombs and firing weapons.

What a strange democracy. Aristotle might not recognize it or others who are at the root of democracy.

What type of democracy do you impose with marines and bombs?

The President of the United States, yesterday, said to us, right here, in this room, and I’m quoting, “Anywhere you look, you hear extremists telling you can escape from poverty and recover your dignity through violence, terror and martyrdom.”

Wherever he looks, he sees extremists. And you, my brother — he looks at your color, and he says, oh, there’s an extremist. Evo Morales, the worthy President of Bolivia, looks like an extremist to him.

The imperialists see extremists everywhere. It’s not that we are extremists. It’s that the world is waking up. It’s waking up all over. And people are standing up.

I have the feeling, dear world dictator, that you are going to live the rest of your days as a nightmare because the rest of us are standing up, all those who are rising up against American imperialism, who are shouting for equality, for respect, for the sovereignty of nations.

Yes, you can call us extremists, but we are rising up against the empire, against the model of domination.

The President then — and this he said himself, he said: “I have come to speak directly to the populations in the Middle East, to tell them that my country wants peace.”

That’s true. If we walk in the streets of the Bronx, if we walk around New York, Washington, San Diego, in any city, San Antonio, San Francisco, and we ask individuals, the citizens of the United States, what does this country want? Does it want peace? They’ll say yes.

But the government doesn’t want peace. The government of the United States doesn’t want peace. It wants to exploit its system of exploitation, of pillage, of hegemony through war.

It wants peace. But what’s happening in Iraq? What happened in Lebanon? In Palestine? What’s happening? What’s happened over the last 100 years in Latin America and in the world? And now threatening Venezuela — new threats against Venezuela, against Iran?

He spoke to the people of Lebanon. Many of you, he said, have seen how your homes and communities were caught in the crossfire. How cynical can you get? What a capacity to lie shamefacedly. The bombs in Beirut with millimetric precision?

This is crossfire? He’s thinking of a western, when people would shoot from the hip and somebody would be caught in the crossfire.

This is imperialist, fascist, assassin, genocidal, the empire and Israel firing on the people of Palestine and Lebanon. That is what happened. And now we hear, “We’re suffering because we see homes destroyed.’

The President of the United States came to talk to the peoples — to the peoples of the world. He came to say — I brought some documents with me, because this morning I was reading some statements, and I see that he talked to the people of Afghanistan, the people of Lebanon, the people of Iran. And he addressed all these peoples directly.

And you can wonder, just as the President of the United States addresses those peoples of the world, what would those peoples of the world tell him if they were given the floor? What would they have to say?

And I think I have some inkling of what the peoples of the south, the oppressed people think. They would say, “Yankee imperialist, go home.” I think that is what those people would say if they were given the microphone and if they could speak with one voice to the American imperialists.

And that is why, Madam President, my colleagues, my friends, last year we came here to this same hall as we have been doing for the past eight years, and we said something that has now been confirmed — fully, fully confirmed.

I don’t think anybody in this room could defend the system. Let’s accept — let’s be honest. The U.N. system, born after the Second World War, collapsed. It’s worthless.

Oh, yes, it’s good to bring us together once a year, see each other, make statements and prepare all kinds of long documents, and listen to good speeches, like Abel’s yesterday, or President Mullah’s. Yes, it’s good for that.

And there are a lot of speeches, and we’ve heard lots from the president of Sri Lanka, for instance, and the President of Chile.

But we, the assembly, have been turned into a merely deliberative organ. We have no power, no power to make any impact on the terrible situation in the world. And that is why Venezuela once again proposes, here, today, 20 September, that we re-establish the United Nations.

Last year, Madam, we made four modest proposals that we felt to be crucially important. We have to assume the responsibility our heads of state, our ambassadors, our representatives, and we have to discuss it.

The first is expansion, and Mullah talked about this yesterday right here. The Security Council, both as it has permanent and non-permanent categories, (inaudible) developing countries and LDCs must be given access as new permanent members. That’s step one.

Second, effective methods to address and resolve world conflicts, transparent decisions.

Point three, the immediate suppression — and that is something everyone’s calling for — of the anti-democratic mechanism known as the veto, the veto on decisions of the Security Council.

Let me give you a recent example. The immoral veto of the United States allowed the Israelis, with impunity, to destroy Lebanon. Right in front of all of us as we stood there watching, a resolution in the council was prevented.

Fourthly, we have to strengthen, as we’ve always said, the role and the powers of the secretary general of the United Nations.

Yesterday, the secretary general practically gave us his speech of farewell. And he recognized that over the last 10 years, things have just gotten more complicated; hunger, poverty, violence, human rights violations have just worsened. That is the tremendous consequence of the collapse of the United Nations system and American hegemonistic pretensions.

Madam, Venezuela a few years ago decided to wage this battle within the United Nations by recognizing the United Nations, as members of it that we are, and lending it our voice, our thinking.

Our voice is an independent voice to represent the dignity and the search for peace and the reformulation of the international system; to denounce persecution and aggression of hegemonistic forces on the planet.

This is how Venezuela has presented itself. Bolivar’s home has sought a nonpermanent seat on the Security Council.

Let’s see. Well, there’s been an open attack by the U.S. government, an immoral attack, to try and prevent Venezuela from being freely elected to a post in the Security Council.

The imperium is afraid of truth, is afraid of independent voices. It calls us extremists, but they are the extremists.

And I would like to thank all the countries that have kindly announced their support for Venezuela, even though the ballot is a secret one and there’s no need to announce things.

But since the imperium has attacked, openly, they strengthened the convictions of many countries. And their support strengthens us.

Mercosur, as a bloc, has expressed its support, our brothers in Mercosur. Venezuela, with Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, is a full member of Mercosur.

And many other Latin American countries, CARICOM, Bolivia have expressed their support for Venezuela. The Arab League, the full Arab League has voiced its support. And I am immensely grateful to the Arab world, to our Arab brothers, our Caribbean brothers, the African Union. Almost all of Africa has expressed its support for Venezuela and countries such as Russia or China and many others.

I thank you all warmly on behalf of Venezuela, on behalf of our people, and on behalf of the truth, because Venezuela, with a seat on the Security Council, will be expressing not only Venezuela’s thoughts, but it will also be the voice of all the peoples of the world, and we will defend dignity and truth.

Over and above all of this, Madam President, I think there are reasons to be optimistic. A poet would have said “helplessly optimistic,” because over and above the wars and the bombs and the aggressive and the preventive war and the destruction of entire peoples, one can see that a new era is dawning.

As Sylvia Rodriguez says, the era is giving birth to a heart. There are alternative ways of thinking. There are young people who think differently. And this has already been seen within the space of a mere decade. It was shown that the end of history was a totally false assumption, and the same was shown about Pax Americana and the establishment of the capitalist neo-liberal world. It has been shown, this system, to generate mere poverty. Who believes in it now?

What we now have to do is define the future of the world. Dawn is breaking out all over. You can see it in Africa and Europe and Latin America and Oceanea. I want to emphasize that optimistic vision.

We have to strengthen ourselves, our will to do battle, our awareness. We have to build a new and better world.

Venezuela joins that struggle, and that’s why we are threatened. The U.S. has already planned, financed and set in motion a coup in Venezuela, and it continues to support coup attempts in Venezuela and elsewhere.

President Michelle Bachelet reminded us just a moment ago of the horrendous assassination of the former foreign minister, Orlando Letelier.

And I would just add one thing: Those who perpetrated this crime are free. And that other event where an American citizen also died were American themselves. They were CIA killers, terrorists.

And we must recall in this room that in just a few days there will be another anniversary. Thirty years will have passed from this other horrendous terrorist attack on the Cuban plane, where 73 innocents died, a Cubana de Aviacion airliner.

And where is the biggest terrorist of this continent who took the responsibility for blowing up the plane? He spent a few years in jail in Venezuela. Thanks to CIA and then government officials, he was allowed to escape, and he lives here in this country, protected by the government.

And he was convicted. He has confessed to his crime. But the U.S. government has double standards. It protects terrorism when it wants to.

And this is to say that Venezuela is fully committed to combating terrorism and violence. And we are one of the people who are fighting for peace.

Luis Posada Carriles is the name of that terrorist who is protected here. And other tremendously corrupt people who escaped from Venezuela are also living here under protection: a group that bombed various embassies, that assassinated people during the coup. They kidnapped me and they were going to kill me, but I think God reached down and our people came out into the streets and the army was too, and so I’m here today.

But these people who led that coup are here today in this country protected by the American government. And I accuse the American government of protecting terrorists and of having a completely cynical discourse.

We mentioned Cuba. Yes, we were just there a few days ago. We just came from there happily.

And there you see another era born. The Summit of the Fifteen, the Summit of the Nonaligned, adopted a historic resolution. This is the outcome document. Don’t worry, I’m not going to read it.

But you have a whole set of resolutions here that were adopted after open debate in a transparent matter — more than 50 heads of state. Havana was the capital of the south for a few weeks, and we have now launched, once again, the group of the nonaligned with new momentum.

And if there is anything I could ask all of you here, my companions, my brothers and sisters, it is to please lend your good will to lend momentum to the Nonaligned Movement for the birth of the new era, to prevent hegemony and prevent further advances of imperialism.

And as you know, Fidel Castro is the President of the nonaligned for the next three years, and we can trust him to lead the charge very efficiently.

Unfortunately they thought, “Oh, Fidel was going to die.” But they’re going to be disappointed because he didn’t. And he’s not only alive, he’s back in his green fatigues, and he’s now presiding the nonaligned.

So, my dear colleagues, Madam President, a new, strong movement has been born, a movement of the south. We are men and women of the south.

With this document, with these ideas, with these criticisms, I’m now closing my file. I’m taking the book with me. And, don’t forget, I’m recommending it very warmly and very humbly to all of you.

We want ideas to save our planet, to save the planet from the imperialist threat. And hopefully in this very century, in not too long a time, we will see this, we will see this new era, and for our children and our grandchildren a world of peace based on the fundamental principles of the United Nations, but a renewed United Nations.

And maybe we have to change location. Maybe we have to put the United Nations somewhere else; maybe a city of the south. We’ve proposed Venezuela.

You know that my personal doctor had to stay in the plane. The chief of security had to be left in a locked plane. Neither of these gentlemen was allowed to arrive and attend the U.N. meeting. This is another abuse and another abuse of power on the part of the Devil. It smells of sulfur here, but God is with us and I embrace you all.

May God bless us all. Good day to you.

(APPLAUSE)





I personally find very little to criticize in the remarks of Hugo Chavez. I do find much that shames me ... as an American. Our nation has lost its honor as we continue to permit an administration make outlaws of us all as a nation. Unless and until we assume control of our democracy and submit those who have, in our names, violated both our Constitution and International Treaties in committing war crimes and crimes against peace for trial, preferably in The Hague, we continue to be an outlaw nation - a nation of bullies and cowards.


I apologize if this is a duplicate. I searched and did not find this posted at DU ... despite the furor and gnashing of teeth regarding his remarks ... remarks which I'm skeptical have been read by many of those who've expressed such passionate opinions. (Passion, I've found, is often a substitute for reason.) I'm adding this to my DU Journal, for current and future reference. Please - READ.

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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 05:49 PM
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1. what does not get mentioned in the fallout
of his speech is the long and loud laughter and applause from the crowd at the UN. He dared to speak out to the bully whose mantra is "our way or bombs away"
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 06:14 PM
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2. (Shhh!) Quiet. The American People are asleep in Disneyland.
"You don't want to know the truth!"

There has rarely been a more apt movie quote. It characterizes the core attitudes of right-wing insiders.

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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 06:24 PM
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3. What is next? A concentrated effort to invade the US and "pay us
back?"

There is a way of criticizing the US (Lord knows we fail in many ways) forcefully and legitimately but to come to our country and basically insult every American repeatedly is simply not the way that a responsible person who wants to be on the world stage and respected should behave.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 06:47 PM
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4. "... insult every American repeatedly ..."?? Did you actually read it?
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 06:49 PM by TahitiNut
I must be pretty stupid. I've read Chavez's remarks 'repeatedly' and, as an American and a Viet Nam veteran, did not feel insulted in the slightest.

Please ...
pretend I'm a reasonably intelligent 12-year-old and explain to me, in detail and quoting Chavez, why I, or anyone like me, should feel insulted.

I await enlightenment with 'bated breath.

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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 07:10 PM
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6. Let me see:
"That’s true. If we walk in the streets of the Bronx, if we walk around New York, Washington, San Diego, in any city, San Antonio, San Francisco, and we ask individuals, the citizens of the United States, what does this country want? Does it want peace? They’ll say yes.

But the government doesn’t want peace. The government of the United States doesn’t want peace. It wants to exploit its system of exploitation, of pillage, of hegemony through war."

"This is imperialist, fascist, assassin, genocidal, the empire"

"if they could speak with one voice to the American imperialists."

"hunger, poverty, violence, human rights violations have just worsened. That is the tremendous consequence of the collapse of the United Nations system and American hegemonistic pretensions."

"The imperium is afraid of truth, is afraid of independent voices. It calls us extremists, but they are the extremists."

"They were CIA killers, terrorists."

"This is another abuse and another abuse of power on the part of the Devil."

Like I said, we have had a lot of issues in the past but frankly, his remarks were over the top, and I find them insulting.

In addition, I dislike George Bush, and I have worked hard to get Democrats into Congress so we can freeze his agenda, but he is the President of my country and so I think that while in America, Chavez should have been forcefull in his remarks but not insulting.

I also find it odd that you feel the need to bring up your military service.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 07:29 PM
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7. Specifically, what in those remarks do you find false?
Remember, you said "every American" ... and it's my opinion that the plurality, if not the majority, would be appalled if they were fully informed regarding the behavior of their government, particularly today. Clearly, however, even if a minority would, it's certainly not "every American." Virtually everything Chavez said is amply documented, both domestically and by international humanitarian organizations, and is recounted in Chomsky's book ... which Chavez held up and recommended.

It's abundantly clear to me that the Bushoilinis do not have "peace' as a primary objective ... unless it's the "peace" of surrender, the "peace" of subjugation, and the "peace" of compliance to global corporatism.

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 09:48 PM
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15. I find nothing wrong or insulting in what Chavez said!
He diferentiated between our government (Bush also known as Devil) and the people who he says want peace.And I have no problem with him denigrating Bush as I don't consider him the president of MY country. He wasn't even legitimately elected. JMHO.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 02:07 AM
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22. Saracat, I do not have to like someone coming to my country and yelling
about my country. I never said he had bad points, just that he should not have said such insulting things. Wrong language.

It would be as if I was president, went to visit his country and then proceeded to claim because the people in that country did not burn down his house they were evil. It would not be right to do that. And I would be rightly called down on that.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 03:26 AM
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23. "because the people ..did not burn down his house they were evil"
Except that Chavez didn't say anything like that.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 11:17 AM
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28. If I went to Hitler's Germany and stated that Hitler were a monster,
I don't think I would be wrong, and if the then German's were insulted, then they deserved what they felt. I guess we are in that position.We deserve to be.We should never have allowed this monster to be elected.I am not sure he was but he is in the White House and ought not to be allowed to be occupying it and most Americans just either supported him or "allowed" it. I don't think Chavez was insulting to the American people in the least.He differentiated between us and Bush, and that was kind of him.As for your " not burning down his house " analogy, I simply don't understand it. The US illegally tried to remove Chavez. Is that what you are referring too?
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RandiRhodesArchives Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 01:05 PM
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32. The UN is NOT part of Ameirca n/t
n/t
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 12:53 AM
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21. his remarks were over the top, and I find them insulting. His remarks were

in fact quite humble and conciliatory.

In fact his remarks were quite factual.

There is not one country in SA where US
presence has not led to totalitarianism
and overt butchery of ordinary citizens.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 12:53 PM
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30. He's not insulting YOU
He says that ordinary citizens want peace and are stuck with a government that doesn't.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 02:23 PM
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35. The truth should never be regarded as insulting, imho.
The 'insult' is in the behavior of our (supposedly) elected political 'leadership' - not in mentioning it.

When the child said aloud that the emperor was naked, he wasn't being insulting!!!

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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-24-06 01:33 AM
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43. It is our government. n/t
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leanin_green Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-24-06 01:49 AM
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44. What government?
If you mean a government whose head writes presidential statements as to just what laws enacted by Congress he'll obey, who lies to the governed in order to lead them into preemptive war, who uses copies of the Constitution to wipe his ass, then I say there hasn't been a government since GWB. So let it be known that from this day forward, the timeline for the great experiment called America, shall be demarcated as BGWB(Before George W. Bush)and AGWB(After George W. Bush). Because BGWB, your arguement had validity. But now, there isn't any government.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 02:26 PM
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37. SAYING THE EMPEROR IS NAKED IS NOT AN 'INSULT'!!
Edited on Sat Sep-23-06 02:26 PM by TahitiNut
How much clearer can it be?

People claiming this are just like the so-called 'adults' at the Emperor's parade ... chastizing the child for an "immature" remark ... because all the "adults" were so well-trained to be courteous and mouth lies regarding the "new clothes."

Fuck any PERVERTED notion of "courtesy" when it's used to hide the truth and spread falsehoods!

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 09:47 PM
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14. I'm not insulted.....
You insulted? :shrug:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 12:26 AM
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18. Somehow, it seems to me that the greatest insult by far
... is having Emperor Imbecile and his sociopathic cronies and puppeteers committing war crimes from our White House. Quite frankly, I felt complimented by Hugo Chavez ... particularly in comparison to that.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 12:47 AM
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20. If it is so basic then explain to me why I should feel insulted
I didn't feel insulted, so what did I miss. Please fill me in so I can feel outraged and indignant. Thanks.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 06:27 AM
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26. he is not "insulting every American repeatedly," & the UN belongs to
Edited on Sat Sep-23-06 06:28 AM by ima_sinnic
every citizen of the world, it is enclosed by the borders of the U.S. but technically is not "your country." (The UN, i.e., the peoples of the world, as a matter of fact own tiny pieces of land throughout the United States that are being conserved as so-called Bioreserves, sources of genetic material (i.e., seeds) and also as a way to conserve diverse species.) UN delegates have the right to say whatever they want about other world leaders within the walls of the UN building.

The time for decorum and "politeness" passed about 4.5 years ago. Jr. S**t-Stain, the pompous-ass clown wannabe dictator, gives lip service to "wanting to be diplomatic" with the head of Iran but won't even talk to him and made a point of not inviting him to his special dinner or whatever it was at the UN. His despicable atrocities affect every living being on the planet so it is quite realistic to expect that we will be hearing from them about it.

A little later in this thread you quote some passages from the speech and I sincerely could find NOTHING at which to take offense.

You can waste your time and energy being "insulted" and "offended" because someone has the cajones to say the emperor has no clothes but I in fact greatly appreciate and admire it.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 06:49 PM
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5. Thanks...this transcript is MUCHO appreciated! n/t
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 07:34 PM
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8. The most helpful post about Chavez of all. Thanks.
Too bad that the corporate media won't let Americans hear what he actually said. Thanks.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 07:57 PM
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11. I find it impossible to recognize what he said by the 'coverage' it got.
All we get is the second-hand reflection in some distorted fun-house mirror from our corporate media. Every jingoistic, revisionist historian climbs on their high horse and peddles some ditto-headed distortion for this fast-food nation to swallow and get clogged arteries in their brains. The disconnect of We The People from our 'democracy' is virtually complete.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 04:15 AM
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24. Thank you for posting this! I consider myself well read on subjects and
yet, I hadn't read the full text and after reading it, I can only say "WOW!"

The corporate controlled mouthpiece of the Bush Regime called the Media only kept playing ad nauseum the video portion of Chavez calling Bush "The Devil". Then we all got treated for 3 days to all the radio talk show hosts (including so called "moderates" like Ed Schultz) having all the Republicans and Democrats alike (especially Nancy Pelosi) calling Chavez a "thug" and "how dare he come to our country and insult our President...." and yet, never did I hear or see anywhere this transcript of what he said in its entirety and its context.

I think its terrific. I just woke up a little while ago from having passed out from fatigue, exhaustion (both physically and emotionally) and wandering over to the computer. The first thing I saw was this post and I read it in its entirety. I was in awe. And I'm going to go get Chomsky's book and send it to other people to. I'm going to forward this transcript to everyone I know, because the truth needs to get out there.

Everything Chavez said is true in there. It's true about Bush and his hegemonic and despotic fantasies of world domination. It's true about the current role of the UN compared to what it was established for and what it could become again. It's true about how Americans (atleast 65% of them) and the rest of the world are feeling. It's true about the attempts to assasinate and overthrow Chavez. Chavez spoke the truth. And in the end, he asked that God Bless us all, not just the US, but the whole world including the US.

Yes, people are waking up around the world, just not in the US unfortunately, or atleast I should say, not enough people fast enough.

Thank you for posting the truth TahitiNut.... :hug:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 02:17 PM
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33. Our 'leaders' ('owners'?) don't want us to try to think.
Like autocratic parents, their own pathologies are projected onto others. Not having been decently nurtured by their own parents, being victims of arrested moral and emotional development, they must treat others as children to mask their own failures as adults. Thus, context is rated "R" and regarded as "Adults Only" lest we children actually learn to live more happily than them.

We see similar dysfunctions on DU. People who drag out their Amy Vanderbilt or Emily Post "rule books" seem incapable of offering a rational basis for their own reactions. Lacking the objective rationale, they resort to mere posturing and assertions ... or fall back to the most common fallacy of all: Attack the Messenger.

I've examined most of the threads in reaction to the Chavez/Rangle/Pelosi fisaco. Pelosi attacked the messenger ("thug"), not the message. Thus, I can only assume she's without a reasonble or rational argument with respect to the remarks. Those like Rangel (whom I like) who claim Chavez broke some sort of rule seem to ignore the fact that Freedom of Speech is a human right, not just an American entitlement. They then resort to some authoritarian stance regarding 'politeness' or 'courtesy' -- the elevation of the trivial beyond all measure when we're discussing the killing of hundreds of thousands and the oppression and exploitation of uncounted millions.

It's really an astonishing inversion of values. Since when does a vanishingly small and extremely fastidious lament about 'diplomacy' (courtesy) rise to the level of the enormous and abominable tyranny of anti-democratic attempts to violently overthrow an elected head of state? Aren't Haiti and Chile clear enough examples along with Venezuela? It'd be like invalidating the conviction of Ted Bundy because some member of the jury didn't wear the 'right' fashions.

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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 07:44 PM
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9. Thanks for posting this.
Chavez tells it like it is.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 07:56 PM
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10. Yay, TN! Good on ya for posting this! Thank you so much!
It's a powerful speech, ringing with truth. I love his humor and his optimism, as well as his intelligence.

Viva Chavez!
sw
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 08:14 PM
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12. This is the third time I've read it
and I still think its great!

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 08:24 PM
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13. If a DUer had written it, it'd hit "Greatest" at light speed.
(While the 'centrists' just ground their teeth.)
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 10:11 PM
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16. Thanks, TNut.
This was quite enlightening. It certainly clarifies Chavez's remarks for me.
K&R
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 10:20 PM
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17. It lets the fine words of truth waft over the eyes
like a fine wine over the pallet.

Mr. Chavez, I'll use your oil anytime I can to make sure my appreciation is refelected for your courage.

Thanks for displaying it Tahiti.
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 12:43 AM
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19. Thanks, TahitiNut!
Just caught that President Chavez had said some rude things about Bush and a lot of people had their panties in a wad over it.
He didn't say anything that wasn't true...or right...or that hasn't been said here...usually a great deal more forcefully and graphically.

I find Pelosi et al's attitude of:
"He may be a warmongering murdering chimpazoid asshole, but he's OUR warmongering murdering chimpazoid asshole!"
to be just a bit much. :banghead:
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 04:43 AM
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25. Goddamn context
It's so much easier to demonize people without it.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 06:45 AM
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27. I think almost all Americans want for the rest of the world what we want
Edited on Sat Sep-23-06 06:53 AM by 1932
for ourselves -- I think Americans don't believe that their own happiness and freedoms must come from the exploitation of others.

I have a hard time figuring out what in that speech would offend Americans.

In Stephen Kinzer's book Overtrhow, he says that American intervention has always occured where there are both ideolocial and economic justifications. So, we don't invade or overthrow nations where there's only an ideological excuse or where there's only economic motivation.

So, for the first half of the century, it was the merger of Christian zeal for civilization, plus the desire to contral trade routes (Philippines) or fruit crops (Hawaii and Guatemala). During the second half of the century, it was Anti-Communism and economics (Chile and Iran). Our current government is having a hard time finding an ideological basis to merge with the economic motivation that exists for its interventions. Terrorism seems to have worked for Iraq, but I think it's not quite as powerful an ideological motivation as Anti-communism and Christian White Man's Burden.

I think without that strong ideological motivation, Americans will express the more powerful impulse to go the other direction -- to realize that people like Evo Morales are motivated by the same desires that founded the Ameircan Revolution, and that we're on-board with that.
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Tigermoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 11:22 AM
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29. K & R for the people! (nt)
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 12:57 PM
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31. Once again the corporate media spin machine
Edited on Sat Sep-23-06 12:59 PM by Lydia Leftcoast
takes some less-than-polished statement out of context from a sequence of truthful statements and feigns righteous indignation over it.

The aim is to get the uninformed so indignant about Whatever that they won't bother to investigate the original (and dangerous to the powers that be) context for themselves.

Who needs censorship when you can simply persuade the masses that something is too terrible to see or hear?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 02:22 PM
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34. Thanks T.N. I hope more world leaders will speak as forcefully as Hugo.
And, some domestic "leaders" would find equal courage to do so.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 02:23 PM
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36. The entire speech must be read to appreciate his position
Chavez should give lessons in public speaking. His appearance was like a clap of thunder; waving Chomsky with one hand and pummeling Bush with the other. He managed to heap more muck on “Guantanamo Nation” than anyone since Harold Pinter gave his blistering Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech  on 12-7-05. That’s when Pinter said:

“The crimes of the United States have been systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless, but very few people have ever talked about them. You have to hand it to America. It has exercised quite a clinical manipulation of power worldwide while masquerading as a force for universal good. It is a brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis.”

Chavez matched Pinter word for word, exposing the hypocrisy, lies and brutality of an administration that never stops lecturing about freedom and liberation even though it grinds out mountains of carnage everywhere it goes.

And where was Bush when Chavez delivered his broadside ….hiding behind Karen Hughes skirts, picking out a new eye-liner for his next televised harangue against Muslims, retrieving his Yale pom-poms from the dry-cleaners?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15049.htm
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 02:44 PM
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38. I've been quite entertained
watching Ameicans' reactions to Chavez. The man was BRILLIANT! Someone should put together film clips of EVERY TRIP *dauphin has made abroad. HE NEVER FAILS to be rude, condescending, intemperate, incoherent, ignorant and just a big, expensive, destructive puffed-up BOOR!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 05:57 PM
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39. Let's have a competition.
Let's see which head-of-state can walk a longer distance, unattended, in the other's capital city, starting at the capitol itself. Hell, let's see which one can walk a longer distance, unattended, in their own capital city!

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 08:05 PM
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42. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 06:06 PM
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40. While I Have Some Reservations About Chavez...
Edited on Sat Sep-23-06 06:14 PM by tlsmith1963
...he was still correct about Bush. And Bush only considers Chavez a threat because he wants to control his oil. So while I do think that Chavez might be somewhat unstable, I love how he attacks Bush & drives him nuts. Buy Citgo gasoline!:evilgrin:

Tammy
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 06:44 PM
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41. That's exactly the point.
The validity of Chavez's remarks before the U.N. General Assembly are, in no way, affected by one's opinion of Chavez. The mere fact that his remarks were embraced with a standing ovation from the delegations in the General Assembly - at least those who had the courtesy to stay and listen - indicates that his is not some lunatic fringe perspective.

Which brings up another rather interesting point.

If Chavez was being so 'impolite' or 'impolitic,' the what do we call the behavior of those (including the US delegation) who rudely and insultingly exited the UN chamber in a fit of childish pique as Chavez was scheduled to speak?

I recall quite clearly the monkey shit we threw in the days of the Cold War when the USSR behaved 'rudely' and also recall that the U.S. took advantage of one of those occasions (in the Security Council) to obtain a resolution without the USSR present to veto it.


Clearly, this is ALL about forcing sovereign states to enact and enforce 'private' entitlements - the entitlements of global corporations to plunder the wealth of such nations. We must always keep in mind that corporations are nothing but creatures of entitlements - legislation, backed by police and military force, that grants some kind of title to that corporation and, under that title, 'ownership' of some part of the wealth of that nation.

When the head-of-state is some puppet dictator, on the payroll of the global corporations, obtaining such entitlements is merely a matter of a fat Swiss bank account. Corporations love to do 'business' with dictators and monarchs. Lacking that, they get the best 'governments' their money can buy ... or they make "offers that can't be refused" (like a carpet of gold or a carpet of bombs.)

Chavez seems not to have a price that the corporations are willing to pay ... and the threats (to depose or assassinate), so far, have been thwarted. (Our government is apparently in bed with some of the sleaziest criminals in the history of the world.)
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