If you want to get a Dem away from the subject of Iraq, bring up smoking.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

That is all.

On edit: We have more than our own share of "morans."

[lonestarnot]

1. Iraq is a given pile. Iran is going to be the new front.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

2. You're right...

but there's more than enough "shiny things" to keep the denizens of this board away from the real topics.


While we're the brightest party, we're still pretty fucking stupid.

[sir_captain]

5. Aren't you the one who brought up smoking?

[ComerPerro]

10. anything to invoke moral superiority

[Dem2theMax]

30. And on three different threads no less!

Well, three is what I've seen so far. There could be more. :crazy:

(I'm guessing someone told him to quit and he's quite cranky over the whole thing.) ;)

[ComerPerro]

3. You're libertarian. You simply don't care about liberal issues

you just want what you want and what you got, no matter what.

Screw helping the poor and working for health coverage.

I wanna smoke, dammit.

[lonestarnot]

4. My my but aren't we testy tonight.

Here you go. :smoke:

[Sugarcoated]

13. When it gets chilly outside

some cancer-stick chogers do get testy.

[lonestarnot]

16. What's a choger and why when it gets chilly.

[Sugarcoated]

24. Choger is another word for smoker

and it must suck to smoke outside in the cold. I'm sure glad I don't have to.

[lonestarnot]

26. Bet it does. I hate cold weather, makes me ache.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

6. I'm not libertarian. I'm a smoker...

And have been in this game longer than you, by god. I protested Nixon and Calley and supported Ellsberg... I have had countless candlelight vigils for the Iraq war... etc...

Bugger off, lightweight.

What did you do in the war, daddy?

[ComerPerro]

8. Daddy, what did you do when the fascists came?

"Well, son, not much. I just kinda let it happen. But at least I can still smoke, by God"

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

15. That and my gun

[ComerPerro]

20. they let you keep your gun because they know you're harmless

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

17. You just want to control the lives of others...

It's okay.... Lots of people like that idea.

[ComerPerro]

22. Back in a second, I gotta go get a quick hit off my tailpipe

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

27. Sute... as bright a response as a ...

Fill me in here.

[ComerPerro]

29. Still huffing exhaust fumes

[karlrschneider]

9. Didn't we meet at a protest in Minneapolis in 1970?

Some cool guy bummed a cig off me there...wuz dat u?
:D

[whistle]

7. Wasn't Ayn Rand diagnosed with lung cancer and had major

...surgary to remove the cancer in 1974? I believe that to be the case. Then eight years later in 1982 you died of congestive heart failure a leading cause of death among heavy smokers.

[Dr.Phool]

11. Tom Y Joad died?

I could have sworn, I'd just seen a post by him.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

19. Yeah. 24 Years Ago. God Bless Tom J. At Least We Know Heaven Has DU!

[whistle]

32. Sorry, Freudian slip, I meant Ayn Rand died of congestive heart failure

...Ayn Rand was also a chain smoker who romanticized smoking in many of her novels. Smoking a cigarette was symbolic to Ayn Rand, as one character in Atlas Shrugged said,

"I like to think of fire held in a man's hand. Fire, a dangerous force, tamed at his fingertips. I often wonder about the hours when a man sits alone, watching the smoke of a cigarette, thinking. I wonder what great things have come from such hours. When a man thinks, there is a spot of fire alive in his mind--and it is proper that he should have the burning point of a cigarette as his one expression."

Here is what Murray N. Rothbard (1926–1995), said about the rationale used by Randians for smoking:

The all-encompassing nature of the Randian line may be illustrated by an incident that occurred to a friend of mine who once asked a leading Randian if he disagreed with the movement’s position on any conceivable subject. After several minutes of hard thought, the Randian replied: "Well, I can’t quite understand their position on smoking." Astonished that the Rand cult had any position on smoking, my friend pressed on: "They have a position on smoking? What is it?" The Randian replied that smoking, according to the cult, was a moral obligation. In my own experience, a top Randian once asked me rather sharply, "How is it that you don’t smoke?" When I replied that I had discovered early that I was allergic to smoke, the Randian was mollified: "Oh, that’s OK, then." The official justification for making smoking a moral obligation was a sentence in Atlas where the heroine refers to a lit cigarette as symbolizing a fire in the mind, the fire of creative ideas. (One would think that simply holding up a lit match could do just as readily for this symbolic function.) One suspects that the actual reason, as in so many other parts of Randian theory, from Rachmaninoff to Victor Hugo to tap dancing, was that Rand simply liked smoking and had the need to cast about for a philosophical system that would make her personal whims not only moral but also a moral obligation incumbent upon everyone who desires to be rational. <more>

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard23.html

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

33. I am posting from beond the grave!!!!!!

Someone call the SciFi channel!

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

12. Smoking what ?

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

14. Point fucking made.

[ComerPerro]

18. How, exactly? It is possible to discuss multiple topics at once

mostly because I don't have to run off every few minutes to smoke

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

21. Oops. I Thought He Meant The Part About The Morans.

:rofl:

[ComerPerro]

23. Maybe he did, for all I know

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

25. I Was Kinda Faking Naivity There, For The Record.

Didn't really matter to me which of the two he meant. I know which of the two I meant LOL

[countmyvote4real]

28. I love to laugh, drink and smoke.

This thread has been a spectacular enhancement.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

31. As it should have been!

:toast:

[Moderator]

34. Locking

Flamebait.