Under New Torture Rules The Interrogators Can Still "Pulpify" Legs?

[leftchick]

Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan is step one and ground zero for US torture as far as I have read. It is horrifying beyond belief what has gone on there including Homicide by torture. In Our Names!

This poor man was not "the worst of the worst" as torture defenders keep saying! He was fucking INNOCENT! It has happened time and again that the US has and is holding innocent people and torturing them sometimes to DEATH!!!

Where the hell are the Democrats on that very important point? And I can only imagine what the animals who do this are like once back in civilian life......

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HOMICIDE

Dilawar was a twenty-two-year-old farmer and taxi driver, whom American soldiers tortured to death over five days at Bagram Collection Point in Afghanistan in December 2002. When the soldiers pulled a sandbag over his head, Dilawar complained that he could not breathe. He was then shackled and suspended from his arms for hours, denied water, and beaten so severely that his legs would have been amputated had he survived. When he was beaten with a baton, he would cry "Allah, Allah!," which guards found so amusing that they beat him some more just to hear him cry. During his final interrogation, soldiers told the delirious, injured prisoner that he would get medical attention after the session. Instead, he was returned to a cell and chained to the ceiling. Several hours later, a physician found him dead. By then, the interrogators had concluded that Dilawar was innocent and had simply been picked up after driving his new taxi by the wrong place at the wrong time.

Dilawar's death was predictable and preventable. The counterintelligence team was inexperienced; only two of its thirteen soldiers had ever conducted interrogations before arriving in Afghanistan. The officers knew that President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld had ruled that the Geneva Conventions did not apply to Afghanistan. The interrogation policies were unclear. The base commander had ignored Red Cross protests about the treatment of prisoners, including the practice of suspending them. Army and intelligence officers who knew of the ongoing pattern of abuses at the Bagram facility did not intervene to stop them. In fact, another prisoner, Habibullah, had died at the same facility under similar circumstances six days before Dilawar's death.

An autopsy on December 13 found that Dilawar's death was a homicide, caused by extensive and severe "blunt force injuries to lower extremities complicating coronary artery disease" (inexplicably, "coronary artery disease" is typed on the death certificate in a different font). The Pentagon reported that the prisoner died of natural causes. Later, a coroner testified that Dilawar's legs were "pulpified" and that the body looked as if it had been "run over by a truck." Soldiers delivered the body and an English-language death certificate to his wife and two daughters in January 2003. The family could not read English.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5516533

:puke: :cry: :puke

[Skidmore]

1. What can you say?

Any legislator that votes for condoning this treatment is not worth keeping. This is the America we want to present to the world? I think not. Not in my name or the names of my children will we treat people in this way and claim legitimacy. Not in our names will we cover for leaders and legislators who promote and order war crimes. This is beyond the pale.

[annabanana]

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[mike_c]

2. those fucking animals did this in OUR NAMES....

I am so angry I cannot find words to express my contempt for those pigs.

[htuttle]

4. "Soldiers delivered the body and an English-language death certificate..."

"Well, here's the receipt for your husband, and here's my receipt for your receipt."

"But what have you done with his body?!"

-- Brazil

[mcg]

6. like the Nazis delivering the ashes of a victim to their family

It's hard to believe this is happening, but it is happening.

[Canuckistanian]

12. I'm surprised they didn't present a bill for equipment used and "services"

Isn't that what brutal dictatorships and invading armies do?

[Rex]

5. Wow, turned his legs to pulp.

That is beyond sick. :puke:

[Solly Mack]

7. "body looked as if it had been "run over by a truck."

"The Pentagon reported that the prisoner died of natural causes."

I guess to the US government torture is "natural" now

[leftchick]

9. The Big Story NO ONE has covered

is that it is not just "The CIA" doing these interrogation tactics. It is rampant through out all aspects of the DoD and the US military! I am reading "American Gulag" from the Sept. Harpers and it is just horrifying. I keep having to put it down because it makes me ill. But I have to say it should be a must read for our so called democratic leaders who are sitting on their asses and SILENT about what the US has become.

That article is where I found out about the deaths at Bagram and pulpified limbs. :puke:

where in the hell are our leaders? :cry:

[Solly Mack]

11. It is. It's an orchard of "bad apples"

and the government encourages it, condones it, promotes it...and now they want to legalize it.

It's systemic government policy...and commanders in the field are doing little to preserve integrity and instead are going right along with it

I read about the deaths at Bagram a while back..I think at the ACLU site, if I recall correctly...Dilawar's death has been in the news but never fully reported in the news (go figure, right?)

[leftchick]

13. I don't think the news ever reported he was innocent

he was guilty of driving his new taxi in the wrong place at the wrong time. US soldiers snatched him up, tortured him for five days until he died of his wounds. US SOLDIERS did this to him! Not CIA interrogators. This is totally lost on the US public and apparently on Democratic representatives as well.

Damn I am so pissed off.

[glitch]

15. WHERE IN THE HELL ARE OUR LEADERS???

What you said, only I needed to scream it.

[magellan]

8. K&R

I can't do anything but :cry:

[unblock]

10. if there's no organ failure, what's the big deal?

at least, i believe that's the shrub standard.

legs aren't organs, so they're fair game.


:wtf:

[Kolesar]

14. They are trained to strike a nerve located at the outside of the knee

I never thought that I would see Americans doing this in an "official" capacity. Outrageous.

This is worse what the Soviet police were doing in "The Gulag Archipelago"

[Auntie Bush]

16. That's how Compassionate Conservatives operate.

And to think these men/thugs/criminals (not worthy of being called soldiers) are never going to be prosecuted? They'll probably go home and do the same to their wives or kids or someone that ticks them off.

[ShortnFiery]

17. Have we no shame? This is just wrong!

:cry: :grr:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. Makes one proud to be an American, doesn't it?

I've always wondered how the Germans must've felt when the real extent of the Nazi horrors were revealed. Of course, there were the willfully ignorant "good Germans" who "knew nothing".

I guess we know now.

[Acryliccalico]

19. .

:cry:

[AzDar]

20. Sickening, and IT MUST BE STOPPED!!! n/t

[we can do it]

21. I Am Just Sick and Furious Over This - Everyone Needs To Know About This

The sick bastards need to be put away....in a cage with boosh, cheney, et al - and anyone who thinks this is somehow ok.


:mad:

[countryjake]

22. Listen to Tim Golden's report in "The Bagram File"

He says that Dilawar's torturers knew he was innocent, all along.

The Bagram File
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/khtml/2005/05/19/international/20050520_ABUSE_FEATURE.html


In U.S. Report, Brutal Details of 2 Afghan Inmates' Deaths
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/20/international/asia/20abuse.html?ex=1274241600&en=4579c146cb14cfd6&ei=5088

~snip~

"Yet the Bagram file includes ample testimony that harsh treatment by some interrogators was routine and that guards could strike shackled detainees with virtual impunity. Prisoners considered important or troublesome were also handcuffed and chained to the ceilings and doors of their cells, sometimes for long periods, an action Army prosecutors recently classified as criminal assault.

Some of the mistreatment was quite obvious, the file suggests. Senior officers frequently toured the detention center, and several of them acknowledged seeing prisoners chained up for punishment or to deprive them of sleep. Shortly before the two deaths, observers from the International Committee of the Red Cross specifically complained to the military authorities at Bagram about the shackling of prisoners in "fixed positions," documents show."

[leftchick]

23. thank you cj

this is truly horrifying stuff. Where the hell is the american outrage??? I am so afraid this country is too far gone.

:(

[riderinthestorm]

24. Oh my god. Just... oh my god.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

"Coronary artery disease"??? On a 22 year old???

Oh. My. God.

Bet this is put down by the Army as just a perfectly legal "stress position" gone wrong....

Time to weep again.

[leftchick]

25. the outrage as well is that he was a poor taxi driver

who had NOTHING TO DO WITH TERRORRISM!!!! And the US soldiers had a good old time torturing him to death for FIVE fucking days!

:cry:

[BeFree]

26. He could have been one of us

One of us might meet the same fate.

The law has been broken, and we need to quit coddling the criminals. If these criminals get away with this, anarchy will ensue.

He could have been one of us......... He was. He is. No more.

[riderinthestorm]

27. Yup, I'm a farmer

I can see the equivalency of "farmer" to taxi driver in their minds. I'm dead serious, I can. No power, not one of the "elite", no connections - just a working stiff of minimal import.

It really could be one of us. That is why it hurts so much to read about this.

[Poiuyt]

28. Can the interrogators still sodomize children?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2148785

[windbreeze]

29. We, as a country....will pay for this..

every one of these deaths, are on our shoulders....no wonder we're hated around the world...to think...to think...that soldiers in our armed services could do this to another human being...how do they sleep at night?...how do they look in the mirror?...whatever happened to treating others as you would have others treat you??? I can't fathom how our men/women could do these things...other than right here, where is the outrage?? Where is the demand that it be stopped??
windbreeze