msnbc...telling people to boycott citgo...so let's BUY CITGO

[NotGivingUp]

[mnhtnbb]

1. I buy CITGO whenever possible and Exxon only when forced.

[NotGivingUp]

3. cool!

[JerseygirlCT]

68. Me too. Almost always Citgo

Not that I think Chavez is so wonderful. But I'd much rather pay for Venezualan oil than Saudi oil.

[Maat]

74. Me too! (n/t)

[XanaDUer]

2. Just filled up.

...

[TheDonkey]

4. Citgo, Exxon, BP, they are all laughing their way to the bank

don't think it matters in the least.

[sandnsea]

5. It's actually a boycott - buy cott debate

Sadly we don't have Rachel Maddow on there this morning - but MSNBC is presenting both sides.

[katmondoo]

6. I have been buying CITGO for 6 years

and will continue

[DrBlix]

49. Buy Citgo

[nolabels]

96. Last time I looked, Hugo hadn't invaded any other countries yet

The thing that fumes the wingers the most is truth. I do like hit pieces though, it shows some are paying at least some kind of attention while engaged in this march of fascism.

Clear and present Mr. Danger
Published September 24, 2006

The speech lasts three and a half minutes, and would pass for a Saturday Night Live skit if it weren't etched in reality television.

With a herd of cattle in the background, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez bashes President Bush with searing contempt. He calls him a coward, a drunk, a donkey, an assassin, alcoholic, immoral, ignorant, mentally deranged, a liar, genocidal, and derides him as "Mr. Danger" 16 times in a video filmed last April.

If only we could laugh it off and go on to the next comedic schtick.

But sadly, the real deal is this:

Chavez is truly Mr. Danger.

It is tempting for the Bush administration to dismiss him as a whack job, if only Chavez didn't have worldly power, influence, and a precious commodity called oil.

The ironic twist here is that the United States is one of Chavez's best buddies.

The U.S. is the top buyer of Venezuelan oil, pumping billions of dollars into the economy that fuel Chavez's military buildup. But with Chavez's political leanings swaying ideologically opposite of President Bush, the relationship epitomizes dysfunctional, much like Ike and Tina Turner in their glory days.
(snip)
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/orl-george2406sep24,0,5828173.column?coll=orl-opinion-headlines

[zulchzulu]

51. CITGO exclusively for me...

It's been hard a couple times on road trips, but I NEVER give money to the Sauds/Bush Crime Family.

[tavalon]

7. I have been doing that for most of the last year

and I still refuse to this day to shop at Exxon for anything. I know that all the companies do bad environmental things but they were so blatant about their cover up that I never forgave them.

[Maat]

75. AND, don't forget the time when the employees presented ..

the CEO of ExxonMobil the news about Global Warming. He basically said, "Eff that," and founded his own "institute" chock full of "scientists" who stated that there was no global warming that was the result of people buying and using his petroleum products.

Big Fat Bastard (recently retired) I call him. And, mark my words, he most probably was in Cheney's office with the now-infamous map of the Iraqi oil fields dividing things up with his Big Oil buddies BEFORE 9-11 and BEFORE we "had to" invade Iraq.

I've been buying Citgo for years and intend to continue to do so. ExxonMobil - no $ for you, unless it is an emergency.

[mcscajun]

8. There's no CITGO close by me here, but I get great pleasure out of

filling up at the CITGO everytime I leave the home of my one Republican friend down in VA.

:rofl:

It IS the little things in life that make us happy. :)

[joemurphy]

9. Let me get this straight. MSNBC wants us to boycott CITGO

because Hugo Chavez insulted Bush? Screw that. That gives me all the more incentive to buy ALL my gas from CITGO.

Hell, I may buy my oil, wiper-fluid, coffee, lawn furniture, etc. from CITGO too. Maybe the one we should boycott is MSNBC and all the stupid floozies that are supposedly so incensed that Chavez pointed to Bushie's pointed tail.

[populistdriven]

11. I bought scissors, toothpicks and glue at Citgo last week to make these:

http://www.madeyouthink.org/

[Iris]

22. that poor dog looks horrified! n/t

[weeve]

39. I haven't laughed so hard in a long time !

That's brilliant. Indeed that pooping pooch does look horrified. :hurts:

My 9 year old just said, "I think we should do that too!"

The young are so wise.

And yes, we ALWAYS tank up at CITGO !!

I think the fact that MSNBC has even put the word out that Venezuala owns CITGO is a good thing! The more people that know this, the more that are likely to fill up there.

Go Go Hugo !

[Garbo 2004]

20. No, MSNBC isn't telling people to boycott. They had people on discussing

the issue. Misleading text in OP. Might as well have also said "MSNBC telling people not to boycott" since it was a discussion not an editorial.

[Mr_Spock]

82. EXACTLY!!

I saw the segment and in NO WAY was MSNBC promoting a boycott.

I will still go out of my way to buy there now as they are not part of the Bushco machine.

[City Lights]

101. Thanks for setting the record straight.

I found it hard to beleive that MSNBC as a network was advocating a Citgo boycott. :eyes: It's just someone airing their point of view on MSNBC.

No big deal.

[wordpix2]

26. yeah, I'd rather buy from a Venez. pres who disses Bush rather than

from ME & multinational oil magnates who expect the US gov. to come running to help them increase profits and stop terrorist acts against their pipelines at every turn. Meanwhile the magnates couldn't give a shit about our oil and gas prices or how the "common man" is doing or being treated.

The only time they do anything for anyone other than increase their own war profiteering profits is when dimson convinces them to lower the price of oil and gas before an election.

[Schema Thing]

10. Hahahaha! I hope the boycott takes off... Chavez would just lower

prices, lol. He'd have lines at his stations!

[ellenfl]

12. i have a citgo station across from my office and

i try to buy there exclusively. like i told a bushie on another forum 'keep buying arab oil. al qa'ida needs the funds'.

my second choice is sunoco which comes mostly from canada.

ellen fl

[Initech]

13. I bought CITGO on Thursday night

[DireStrike]

14. Can I have a source? Who said this on msnbc? -nt-

[NotGivingUp]

15. i just caught a minute of it...don't know the guy that was on....

i'll see if i can find out.

[NotGivingUp]

19. yep...it was Ben Ferguson

[sandnsea]

77. Nobody

It was a couple of radio show hosts debating, nobody from MSNBC was advocating a boycott. One of those occasions where DU competes with the Bushbots for running with hyperbole instead of facts.

[RufusEarl]

16. Just topped of the car!

[malaise]

17. Ben Ferguson has no manners

He gives no one a minute to say a word. The only person who silenced that moron was Randi Rhodes.

[Ken Burch]

18. Are Citgo shares trading on the NYSE?

nt

[NotGivingUp]

25. no...went to their site...

CITGO is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Petroleos de Venezuela, S.A., the national oil company of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela. As a result, we have no publicly-traded equity securities and no stock ticker symbol.

[Ken Burch]

50. It'd be great to invest in them if possible.

nt.

[1932]

59. They had publicly traded bonds for a while, but they bought all their debt

back.

So they make no money for Wall St anymore.

[dogday]

21. They don't care if Citgo is willing to help

the poor in this country. Where are our oil companies stepping up to the plate to help the poor with home heating oil? I don't see even one... If they want a boycott, boycott those companies who keep getting billions in quarterly profits but do nothing to help the poor whatsoever... They should be ashamed and MSNBC should be ashamed...

I can't believe people in this country can't see the good this guy is doing... My husband was not so sure of him either because he had heard the usual spin, but when he just listened to Chavis speak, he said, "this guy is not a bad guy, whey do people say this about him?"....

Good question... Why do we only have conflicts with countries who have oil and gas????

[Cha]

32. That's right..they don't give

a shite about the poor in this country. Look what they did when Katrian hit.

[nolabels]

95. You know corporate media is getting desperate about such a frank fellow...

as he is when the have sportscasters bring Hugo's name up just out of the blue to dis him

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

23. Been doing it for several years here...

Silent protests.... gotta loe 'em!

[CraigHinTenn]

24. CITCO was advertising on G. Gordon Liddy's radio show in

Nashville (WTN 99.7) last week. I think it's hilarious, Liddy blasting Venezuela as an enemy of America, but not a shamed to take their money! Republican governing...it's all about the dollar.

[NotGivingUp]

29. low-life greedy bastards!

[LTR]

92. You ain't kidding

Liddy's network will even take in junk cars for donations:

http://ltradio.blogspot.com/2006/09/conservative-radio-chop-shop.html

[AnneD]

27. Here in Houston...

Citgo is the workers friend. They are constantly the lowest price in town. I get my gas at either Costco or Citco. Shell, Exxon, and Mobile are as much as 30-40 cents higher. They must be inhaling fumes.
Chavez sent petroleum for the poor and elderly last winter. All I saw from those folks were higher profits. There are some things about Chavez that concern me but he is the elected leader of his country and some of these folks in power had just better get over it.

[flyarm]

28. i say we ll write MSNBC and ask when they are going to run a

boycott on SAUDI ARABIAN oil..the very people who killed 3000 of our citizens!!

fly

[NotGivingUp]

30. great idea!

[Garbo 2004]

35. MSNBC isn't advocating/running a boycott. n/t

[NotGivingUp]

41. guess i phrased it incorrectly...but they did air a program where

ferguson was advocating a boycott. they know that airing a program like that will incite people to boycott so they accomplish their goal regardless.

[Garbo 2004]

44. You caught "a minute" of a discussion where an alternative view

also was expressed but which you apparently didn't see. If you had caught "a minute" of only the anti-boycott, buy Citgo view expressed on the program, would you have posted here that MSNBC was telling people to buy Citgo?

[NotGivingUp]

47. hmm...maybe you didn't read what you just replied to...

where i alreay said i phrased it incorrectly

[Garbo 2004]

48. I read it and also read your assertion that having Ferguson on was

essentially the equivalent to advocacy: "they know that airing a program like that will incite people to boycott so they accomplish their goal regardless."

But since MSNBC also had the contrary "buy Citgo" view, given your logic and only taking one side of what was presented, one could then similarly assert that MSNBC's "goal" was to promote Citgo. I imagine that would be the kind of slant Billdo would take, by cherry picking "a minute" out of context and therefore creating a false impression of the discussion as a whole. Which is what you have done here. Or is it only not acceptable when only Billdo et. al. does that sort of thing?

[NotGivingUp]

54. you're right. i did post so that people would know it wasn't msnbc

advocating anything and that they aired both viewpoints.

[KAZ]

66. By hyping an upcoming segment with...

..."should Americans boycott Citgo", over and over again, it's the same thing as advocating. And spewing the same old crap of "tyrant", "anti-american", "insulting the president", etc. What, you want them to say "boycott Citgo"? Well my friend, as far as the message received by the masses, they just did.

[NotGivingUp]

67. Yes, you are absolutely right!

[Cha]

31. I always did buy Citgo when I

had me car..now I just buy good food to keep my legs in excellent condition.

Go Chavez, you Venezuelan Renegade!

[NotGivingUp]

33. i'm gonna have to drive a little further, but it will be well worth it!

it will be the only place i will buy gas from now on.

[HockeyMom]

34. CITGO is back to being the cheapest gas around

Coincidence? This just happened in the last week. There is one very small station near where I used to live. For TWENTY YEARS this station was always the most expensive around. Now, it is the cheapest (same owner).

Viva, Hugo!!!!!!!

[Nutmegger]

36. I have always bought Citgo when I found out that Chavez was giving

discounted heating oil to poor residents last year.

[me b zola]

89. That's when we switched too

We drive about 3 miles out of our way to buy CITGO, but always feel good that we did! :)

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

37. Proud to give the Fifthe Rec!

Now hit that button, people!

[SammyWinstonJack]

38. I already buy from CITGO, so thanks MSRNC , you suck!

[Downtown Hound]

40. Really? Well, I'm off to Citgo then!

[w4rma]

42. I try to only buy Citgo. Exxon propagandizes Global Warming. BP lets

their infrastructure rot in Alaska, while they have record profits, spilling oil all over the tundra (while firing whistleblowers and threatening anyone who writes a bad report). Btw, Exxon still hasn't paid for the Valdez spill cleanup, but they have spent *hoards* of money on lawyers (probably more than it would have cost to clean it up) trying not to clean it up. And Chevron is just as bad as Exxon and BP and Texaco.

I'm buying Citgo. They don't propagandize against global warming. They clean up after themselves. They spend the most money on the poor of any of them (easily).

[Catherine Vincent]

43. No worries. I've already decided that.

:)

[ShortnFiery]

45. I'm there!

BTW who's that broad "Contessa" on MSNBC this afternoon? I'd like to know if she's getting some cash under the table by the Pentagon's PsyOps people. Hell, Karen Hughes could not have been a more effective cheerleader for The Executive branch. She was shameless in her pro- Dear Leader bias. :puke:

[cascadiance]

46. Hey! Why don't we push the wingnuts to boycott Sequoia voting machines!

After all, that company is owned by Venezuelan interests. Do they have a deal with "the devil" there? Either they go through with it, or we expose their hypocrisy. Either way, we win and they lose!

[upi402]

52. I'm heading to Citgo in that case

Viva!

[NotGivingUp]

53. i phrased post incorrectly...it wasn't msnbc advocating a boycott.

i've been made aware that msnbc did air both sides...boycott AND anti-boycott. i just happened to catch the boycott part. sorry!

[madokie]

55. I read a few weeks back that Citgo was pulling out of this part of Ok

If we had any citgo stations here I would only buy their products.

[xynthee]

62. That's what I heard as well

Within a week of hearing about it at my gas station in Tulsa, the station had completely metamorphosed into a Shell. I'm devastated.

[madokie]

63. no kidding

Welcome to DU, I hope you find you like it here, it kinda' grows on ya

[greccogirl]

56. I've boycotted CITGO

for a lonnnngggggg time.................

[1932]

61. Why?

And what do you buy instead?

[Name removed]

64. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[bluedogyellowdog]

57. I have bought Citgo and only Citgo...

...for 2 years now. Citgo is the only oil company, and I mean the *only* one, that doesn't donate money to the Bush-Republican war chest. Even Hess and BP/Amoco give some money to Republicans. Citgo does not. I have my own thoughts about Chavez and Venezuela which will wait until another post. For now I'll just say Chavez is refusing to go along with the globalization scam, opposing "free trade" ideology, and openly taking an oppositional stance toward Bush. The media has been trying to portray Chavez as some kind of third world tinpot dictator. I don't buy it. He was democratically elected and Venezuela is a multi-party democracy. The only reason Chavez is getting this treatment from the media is he is speaking out against Bush. I'm not drinking the media's Kool-Aid. Chavez is a genuine populist.

[gully]

58. So we should buy from OBL's family instead huh?

Sorry, I'm sticking with CITGO!

[goforit]

60. Any chance I have I WILL buy Citgo!

[KAZ]

65. I've been an Amoco guy my whole life.

Time for a change. They've opened a new Citgo just outside of Shorewood, so I think I'll be paying them a visit. K&R!

[TacticalPeek]

69. Location locator:

http://www.citgo.com/CITGOLocator/StoreLocator.jsp

:patriot:

[NotGivingUp]

71. Good idea!

[progressoid]

79. Cool! - Thanks for that link.

[emcguffie]

70. It's the only gas I've bought for many months. NT

[Marrak]

72. Let me get this right....

boycott 18 percent of the supply of imported oil to this country...that's a brilliant idea if your the CEO of a rival oil company! Includes that sulfuric drift skyward of the price of gas! To be shared by all! Just Brilliant!<>

[specimenfred1984]

73. Citgo near me was packed full of people buying gas

Right-wingtard media no longer has any impact on anyone except brainwashed zombies. Oh yeh, that's still about 25% of our population!

[onecent]

76. FUCK MSNBC. n/t

[Marr]

78. As MSNBC's parent company is part of the oil market, I'd say

this sort of push for a boycot of Citgo seems highly inappropriate.

But either way, people will go where it's cheap.

[countryjake]

80. No Citgo stations around here, but I can still kick this for you.

[Mr_Spock]

81. I'm going to go out of my way to buy Citgo gasoline

Though the no-name gas I get from the Lebanese owned station is cool with me also. The guy is cool.

[shugah]

83. i always buy citgo - because FREE AIR!

within a 3 mile radius of my house, at least 8 gas stations. only citgo has a free air pump when i need air in my tires. the rest charge at least a quarter, and the closest place charges 50 cents for air. FOR AIR!!!

i just really have a problem paying for air. so, when i need to fill my tires, i go to citgo. and when i need to fill my gas tank, i go to citgo too. because they don't charge me for air.

[dweller]

84. umm... link please?

seems like an awful lot of discussion about what could be hearsay.

several other posters have stated there is no boycott statement.

dp

[Digit]

85. I have been buying ONLY Citgo for 6 months now.

There is a station on my way to work. :hi:

[samsingh]

86. we should boycott bush

[BillORightsMan]

87. SNOPES explains this continuing Urban Legend

at Snopes.com

Neither a "buycott" nor a boycott is likely to accomplish much beyond the symbolic. In the first case, the Citgo brand (marketed by Citgo Petroleum Corporation, which has been owned by Petróleos de Venezuela,
the national oil company of Venezuela, since 1990) doesn't have nearly enough presence in the U.S. to satisfy demand; in the second case, boycotting a gasoline brand over political issues is problematic for a number of reasons (not least of which is the notion that threatening not to buy gasoline from someone who is threatening not to sell it to you doesn't sound like an effective ploy for either side).

Although Citgo may be owned by Petróleos de Venezuela, it is a formerly American company which is still headquartered in the U.S. (in Houston, Texas), employs 4,000 people, and supplies 14,000 independent retailers with gasoline and other petroleum products — Americans with no substantive connection to Venezuela who would be economically harmed by such an action. (Citgo also provides free or discounted heating oil to low-income communities and tribal reservations within the United States.) And, of course, in today's oil market Citgo could likely find alternative buyers for its products far more easily than the U.S. could make up the shortfall created by a cut-off of Venezuelan oil.

As we've noted in many other articles discussing various schemes regarding where and how people should purchase gasoline, the global and fungible nature of the world oil market doesn't really provide consumers with many effective opportunities to influence political issues through their buying patterns.

And, at Science Daily
Citgo to drop 14 percent of its stations

HOUSTON, July 12, 2006 (UPI) -- Venezuelan-controlled Citgo Petroleum Corp. is warning some 1,820 Citgo stations in the United States that it will stop supplying them with gasoline.

Citgo says its three U.S. refineries, which together process about 750,000 barrels per day of crude oil, cannot supply all its retail obligations. That means Citgo must purchase some 130,000 barrels per day of petroleum products to supply its 14,000 marketers, none of which the U.S. subsidiary of Venezuela's state-run energy conglomerate owns.

Therefore, Citgo said Tuesday, it will stop supplying about 14 percent of Citgo branded locations.

Get these movies The Revolution Will Not Be Televised, Venezuela Bolivariana, Llaguno Bridge -- Keys to a Massacre
:patriot:

[NotGivingUp]

97. Buying gas at Citgo is NOT an urban legend...google boycott

citgo and see what you come up with. there are plenty talking about boycotting. msm is putting the idea out there for people to boycott. obviously citgo is not taking a loss on the oil it sells. the best way to show your support is to BUY CITGO.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

88. yeah - i was thinking the same thing.

Those idjits want to help fund the people that we're going to go to war against.

[borlis]

90. I just about always buy Citgo.

It's also always the cheapest out of the gas stations close to my house.

[farmboxer]

91. I Always Buy Citgo.

Chavez gave oil to the poor at a huge discount, something Bush & Pals would never do! Power to the people!

[LTR]

93. Hmm... decisions, decisions

Let's see... buy gas from most stations and fund the corrupt Saudi regime.

Or buy Citgo, proceeds from which help the people of Venezuela and other people in need.

Oh, and Venezuelans have never committed terrorist attacks on the U.S. Can't say that about the Saudis.

In other words, I try to buy Citgo gas whenever possible. Luckily, there's a ton of them around here.

[NotGivingUp]

98. yeah...tough choice, huh? CITGO all the way!!!

[countryjake]

94. Now they are even turning down that discounted oil he's offering...

Maine Repubs say no to Chavez oil deal
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8K9GPKG0.htm

AUGUSTA, Maine
By GLENN ADAMS
Associated Press Writer

~snips~

Maine Republican legislative leaders on Thursday asked Democratic Gov. John Baldacci to avoid doing business in the future with Hugo Chavez, saying the Venezuelan leader has insulted President Bush and the United States by his remarks before the United Nations.

Under an agreement last winter, Citgo, the Houston-based subsidiary of Venezuela's state-owned oil company, was to sell 8 million gallons of heating oil on the open market and donate what amounts to a 40 percent discount to Maine. It also donated 120,000 gallons of oil to 40 Maine homeless shelters.

Assistant House GOP leader Rep. Josh Tardy of Newport said Thursday that while Maine has economic problems, "we're not so desperate that we need handouts from a man who comes into our country and calls our president the devil in front of the whole world."

The House Republican leader, Rep. David Bowles of Sanford, said, "It was unfortunate that we struck a deal with (Chavez) last year for oil. The governor cannot make the same mistake again."

[mmonk]

100. bush has a loyalty from his followers

that rivals Hitler's. They will even hurt their own poor citizens because the president of Venezuela insulted their man-god.

[rosesaylavee]

99. I have not only been buying Citgo

exclusively for at least the last year but our company gas card is Citgo. They have the lowest gas around here and several stations so haven't had to explain my preference with my company.

BTW, I do not approve of Chavez' speech at the UN as I don't approve of the chimp calling other countries evil. Taking the high road and talking about solutions to problems causing the rift(s) between nations would have been a lot more useful as it had an international audience.

[DesertRat]

102. I'm making a point to buy Citgo gas

http://www.citgo.com/CITGOLocator/StoreLocator.jsp

[fearnobush]

103. Viva Chavez! MSRNC - go fuck yourself!

[DesertRat]

104. Saw on CNN that some want the big CITGO sign in Boston taken down

:eyes:

[NotGivingUp]

106. unfrickingbelievable!

[Peggy Day]

105. I've been buying it for awhile

how to find a citgo close to you (I think I did that correct) on edit-I guess you guys are quick, and it's already been posted-oh well, here it is again.

http://www.citgo.com/CITGOLocator/StoreLocator.jsp

[City Lights]

107. Is there a link to an article or video backing up the claim you're making?

I'd like proof that MSNBC - the network - is promoting a boycott of Citgo, rather than some parrot that was given airtime on one of their programs.

Thanks! :hi:

[femrap]

108. Filled up yesterday at Citgo....! nt