What Chavez Said That Everyone Seems To Have Missed

[Jcrowley]

What Chavez said that everyone seems to have missed is that THE PEOPLE SHOULD LEAD! Sorry, folks, but I think that is us.

Everybody that felt their spirits resonating to what Chavez said, we are the leaders. All we have to do is STAND UP AND SAY THAT WE ARE NOT PLAYING THIS GAME ANYMORE. We stop buying from the elitist nitwits. We stop patronizing their banks (which, based upon the articles in the International Currency Review is a darned good idea anyway). We don't let our children serve in their pointless wars. We buy from people who make products here in our country and employ us and our fellow citizens.

We begin to act like the intelligent, proud people that we are. We begin to organize not for revolution, but for non-participation and economic transformation. We withdraw from this screwed up system until it is in real pain. Walmart has lost 26 percent of their sales in the US and they are beginnning to get the big picture.

We stand up and say: "I won't vote for anyone who is getting millions in campaign contributions, because they are bought. I will vote for people who resemble and represent me and who remember what real work is." We stand up and say,"Get out of our schools, you illiterate boobs. Get out of our televisions with your destructive programs and ads for stuff that we don't need from companies that overpay their executives, befoul our air and water and refuse to pay for the health care required to repair the damages.

WE STAND UP TOGETHER. THAT'S ALL IT TAKES.

[wundermaus]

1. related links of interest

http://www.solari.com/

http://dunwalke.com/

[newyawker99]

3. Hi vmaus!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[wundermaus]

26. Hi newyawker99

Thanks for the welcome!
Here's a tip of the glass to you, as well! :toast:

[bridgit]

6. welcome to du, vmaus...

solari concept is a very worthy read imo :hi: :kick:

[wundermaus]

27. Hello bridgit

Thank you for the warm welcome! Solari is a recent discovery for me... and an excellent, empowering one... a concept well worth sharing! :kick:

[bigwillq]

21. Hi!

welcome to DU! :hi:

[wundermaus]

29. Hello bigwillq

Thanks for your welcome to DU!
I see by your avatar that you are a Ned Lemont supporter!
That makes us unanimous!

[omega minimo]

2. Um, ya mean like

Direct Democracy? :think: :kick:









Okay let's wait for the "Boycotts Won't Work" folks to show up :popcorn:

[Jcrowley]

4. What do you think?

Restoration of the principles of the Constitution as the source of legitimacy for any government of any kind, not to preclude amending same as desired and needed to protect the people

Full gender equality

Full racial equality and the overthrow of white privilege

Full rights for GLBT people

Restoration of all public wealth and resources to the public

Strict regulation of finance

Full public commitment to free and open educational models, with no interference from church or Capital or political factions, to include uncorrupted and free research.

Overthrowing corporate capitalism and strict public regulation of all business activity

De-centralized, diverse community supported agriculture, fully sustainable, and the elimination of the use of persistent toxins.

Full public support for the arts, community controlled and publicly financed.

Open borders for Labor, strictly regulated borders for Capital

Public ownership of utilities and energy

Public commitment to the restoration and protection of the environment as the first consideration in all economic decisions

Foreign policy guided by non-intervention and anti-imperialism

[omega minimo]

11. It depends on The Public

An important word repeated in your list of goals

[Beelzebud]

5. Maybe no one would have missed it if he had presented it better...

When you open up a speech, at the U.N., saying another world leader is the devil, don't expect many to bother listening to what follows.

This is *exactly* why I thought his comments about Bush hurt his message more than helped. No one here in the US listened to him after his first few sentences.

[Greyhound]

9. Has it occurred to you that he wasn't talking to us at all?

He is working toward specific goals for his country, and in general, they have to do with getting away from our evil empire.

His support, or lack of it, here is meaningless because the Venezuelans know that it doesn't matter which party is in power, they will support fucking the Venezuelans out of their oil.

[Jcrowley]

12. He was definitely speaking to America

and many others as well. If you had heard his interviews the next day you would've heard how his deep desire was for the American people to awaken to the oppresive nature of their government and take things into their own hands.

[Beelzebud]

15. What I find ironic, is this:

I don't even disagree with most of Chavez's policies or statements.

My whole damn point is that Americans might actually embrace those ideas if he had acted like a statesman.

For that I'm labeled a Chavez Hater, a freeper, and basically and idiot.

This is just basic stuff here.. Have any of the namecallers ever heard of making a good first impression? Apparently not. I guess they think that your average american that works 12 hours a day has already read everything about Chavez...

[qanda]

28. I actually find myself agreeing with you

It's the exact same thing I say about Rosie O'Donnell, if you want someone to respect what you say then say it in a respectful way. When you use rhetoric that is abrasive and toxic then you lose the very people you are trying to reach.

[nolabels]

33. Do you hear that echo chamber clanging

It's abrasive because corporate media and it's pundits tell you it is. Hugo is part of a growing threat to their hegemony. So, of course they will take things out of context to portray Hugo as some whack job that can't even tie his own shoe. Regardless if Hugo is a leader or not, if they can portray him some type of leader and then vilify him then the echo chamber has won.

[Greyhound]

16. Definitely, I was just trying to point out that we are not his primary

audience at the UN. He was playing to the, by diplomatic standards, overt ridicule nearly the whole world shows for the idiot frat boy. :hi: :toast:

[omega minimo]

7. Ain't it strange

how folks like to yelp about democracy and stuff but don't actually understand what it is or like to do anything about it?

No one's reading this thread anyway (they're busy with another inflammatory OP merely posted an article demonizing Chavez-- oh and Jimmy Carter too in his role as international election monitor) so I have some friendly advice............if you wanna see your OP's bounce and leap to Greatest........

DU's and Don'ts
:sarcasm:

1. Don't suggest that "ANYONE Said ANYTHING That Everyone Seems To Have Missed" cuz no one misses a THING on the Internets!

2. Don't sugget that "THE PEOPLE SHOULD LEAD! Sorry, folks, but I think that is us" or that we can empower ourselves or that we HAVE TO.

3. Don't make constructive and doable suggestions for how folks can walk the walk (not just talk the talk):

"All we have to do is STAND UP AND SAY THAT WE ARE NOT PLAYING THIS GAME ANYMORE. We stop buying from the elitist nitwits. We stop patronizing their banks (which, based upon the articles in the International Currency Review is a darned good idea anyway). We don't let our children serve in their pointless wars. We buy from people who make products here in our country and employ us and our fellow citizens."

4: And NEVER NEVER NEVER :shhhhhhhhh: blow our disembodied digital cover and point out "WE STAND UP TOGETHER. THAT'S ALL IT TAKES."



Too simple. Too doable. Too personal. Too real. Too democratic.


:sarcasm: OFF.
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I saw only snippets of Chavez' speech. I saw bits of the Pelosi and Rangel comments and the hoopla about it on DU. And wondered if all that agitation ABOUT it overlooked anything he said that was true or IMPORTANT THINGS NO ONE ELSE IS WILLING TO SAY and that Democrats rushing to distance themselves from him missed an opportunity. Again.

So you point out one important message. It is THE important message. Many Americans have never gotten it or got it too long ago and lost it.

Thanks for a worthy OP.

[Jcrowley]

10. Thanks for the advice

I think.

The next day I heard Chavez interviewed on T. Smiley's show. It was actually very informative, an anomaly for Tavis, and what Chavez was stating was just this; That he was only one man and that it was the people that should arise and tear off the shackles of the global plutocracy and that in fact this was happening in many places and he wished for the American people to wake up and act out for their own benefit.

[omega minimo]

14. It's nothing

:spray: :toast:

And I'm glad some folks showed up to read your OP.



".....and what Chavez was stating was just this; That he was only one man and that it was the people that should arise and tear off the shackles of the global plutocracy and that in fact this was happening in many places and he wished for the American people to wake up and act out for their own benefit."


It's sad that democracy has gone out of fashion. :eyes:

[stillcool]

17. excellent ...

what times these are...

[wundermaus]

30. Complete Chavez speech, if you missed it...

You mentioned you only saw snippets of his speech... if you wish to see it all (sadly without any applause) then check out the UN website at http://www.un.org/webcast/ga/61/gastatement20.shtml for the video in English or Spanish.

[SammyWinstonJack]

8. K & R

[Greyhound]

13. You just haven't been here long enough, there's a significant contingent

of us that support the work Chavez' has done for his people, instead of our corporations. There is also a very vocal, evidentially challenged, group that hates him with a passion. Personally, I think it is mostly because he doesn't believe that Castro is the most evil man on earth and it galls them no end that he's still in power.

Oh, and here's number 4. :kick:

[omega minimo]

18. "WE STAND UP TOGETHER. THAT'S ALL IT TAKES"

:kick: :kick: :patriot:

[DianaForRussFeingold]

19. By CallingThe pResident Names,Chavez Lost Any Moral Support From Me

What a shame! :spank:

[Jcrowley]

20. You missed the point

Everyone comments on President Chavez dissing bush by calling him the devil. That was his part of truthful humour. But the real wisdom in his speech was when he said that the PEOPLE should lead. Well, he's telling you what to do... LEAD. Take that as your cue. His speech alone won't make a bit of difference. President Chavez is hoping for a reaction... REACT.

The point isn't Bush or Chavez or the speech, the point is You and what you will or will not do in light of the urgency.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

23. I Am Sick Of Name Calling I Know Chavez's objective Was Not To Boost Bush's

ratings,but that's just what he did. I can't tell you how disappointed I am with him. If only he would have acted more statesman like! More like Clinton and less like a turd blossom wannabe.

[wundermaus]

31. Chavez was a hit at the UN

President Hugo Chavez made an important and constructive speech at the UN. The US corporate media is now busily casting his address as "Extremist in Nature". President Bush also made a UN speech in which he presented such a distorted view of the world's condition that one must truly question his sanity. Chavez received 5 minutes of sustained applause; Bush got brief but polite ovation.

[rman]

32. "Chavez's boost Bush's ratings" - now i've heard it all.

[Jcrowley]

22. Additional point

Adding to this what Chavez may have been trying to break through is that intransigent literalist mentality of the apathetic American mind that could not even comprehend the humor, metaphor, theatrics and profound sense of history that is woven into the politics of so many other nations particularly the Latin American political oral history.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

24. Bill Clinton’s popularity on the day of his impeachment was twice as high

as bush's right now. Bill Clinton's approval rating when he left office was 66%! On the day of his impeachment 12/19/98,it was 72%. And how does the mainstream media cover it? They still claim Bush is well liked by the American people and often imply Clinton was a disgrace. Naturally the American people don't want a foreign leader name calling their president,even if you agree with Chavez that bush is the devil or to me, more the devil's advocate,there is a loyalty toward the president,no matter what your politics are! Now, if Clinton or Feingold would would have said the president is playing into the hands of the devil,that would have been great! FOX News Saying “Clinton Gets Crazed; http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/23/fox-news-saying-clinton-gets-crazed/ Name Calling as a Republican Right; http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/23/name-calling-as-a-republican-right

[Jcrowley]

25. Interesting thing here

Of course we also know that Raygun was the lowest of the low in Presidential approval ratings as he was leaving office and only a subsequent artificial propaganda campaign altered that.

Another thing to consider is that Chavez' remarks would not have seemed so outlandish, to the American political consumer, if the "opposition" had been calling Bush-Cheney to the carpet regularly.

Yes sometimes, in fact most times, one should be diplomatic if one is a diplomat but there are times when one must simply pull no punches and lay it out there sans table manners. With all that has happened in the last 6 years I find it rather extraordinary that more foreign dignitaries haven't called Bush much worse (I'm sure they have though not publicly).