I didn't break Iraq, and I don't want to fix it.

[Philosoraptor]

Iraq is a total disaster. Period. It cannot be 'fixed', it IS a total disaster.

The criminally insane will. kristol says we should send more soldiers over there because they are doing a shitty job of spreading democracy, gee billy, grab a gun and shut the fuck up sicko.

If I were the president, and thank god I'm not, I'd order an immediate withdrawal from the clusterfuck and declare it OVER. Not victory, not defeat, but over.

Pulling out and cutting and running is the only sane thing to do, fuck our foolish pride and greed and fuck these war pigs, our sons and daughters are dying for nothing, so are all those innocent Iraqis.

"Saddam kills people, Saddam had torture rooms"! I remember how we demonized Saddam and his torture rooms, and we promised the Iraqis we'd end all that, but guess what, they pine for the good ol' Saddam days now, cause torture has become manifest as a giant invisible beast unleashed.

Fuck all the Shias and Shiites and Sunnis, excuse me, but let em' kill each other, I don't care, I want our men out of this madhouse now and I'm tired of hearing politicians on both sides pretending like this can all be 'fixed'. It can't.

[90-percent]

1. nice try, but...

Nice try, but there's the small matter of procuring all their oil for US oil conglomerates and the fourteen permanent military bases we're establishing over there to insure stability in the middle east.

Your quaint suggestions are contrary to Dick Cheney's wishes, therefore, it will never happen!

-85% jimmy

[Swamp Rat]

2. Hey, we could still use help in New Orleans.

It would be a lot cheaper to fix this city and the Gulf Coast - and a HELL of a lot safer! Whatever happened to "America first?"

Whoever wants to democratize the ME should get a gun and get their ass over there.

[izzie]

3. Bush will leave the mess for some one else. It is his way.

I do not think he thinks about a few 100 dead each week any more than Saddam did. He also keeps saying it is working so his base believes him and he may believe it himself.

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. I say we let Halliburton stay and fix it

[focusfan]

5. Good Idea

Send Bush,Chenney,Rummy and Rice to help with a one way ticket

[Philosoraptor]

6. THEY broke it

and they are in the bombing and fixing up after business, so fuck em', it's out of my hands anyway.

[DemoTex]

7. Pulling out and cutting and running is x-actly what we did in the 'Nam.

In fact, it was secretly arranged in 1973 by a Republican administration (Tricky-Dick and Kissinger), and completed on April 30, 1975 as PAVN tanks rolled into Saigon (soon-to-be-renamed Ho Chi Minh City). We cut-out, pulled-out, ran-out, and bugged-out .. all under the auspices of a Republican administration.

Was it the right thing to do? Hell yes, albeit way too late. Did some Vietnamese suffer? Hell yes, but fewer than if the war had dragged on in perpetuum cum infamia. Is Viet Nam better off now, in 2006, than if we had stayed? In my opinion yes, at long last.

Is the US better off for having "cut-and-run" from Viet Nam? We were for a while. Had the lessons of Viet Nam stuck - Poppy summarily dismissed those lessons after Gulp-Gas War I - we would not be in the quagmire that Mr. Bu$h (The Lesser) has put is in, electively.

I agree with the Philosoraptor: "Pulling out and cutting and running is the only sane thing to do, fuck our foolish pride and greed and fuck these war pigs, our sons and daughters are dying for nothing, so are all those innocent Iraqis."



"Simply put, the war dead of military cemeteries did not just die; they were put to death." Larry Heineman, Black Virgin Mountain (p. 223)

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[TahitiNut]

10. That's the appalling tragedy, bro.

The last and remaining measure of whatever 'good' could come from the nearly 59,000 dead ... your and my brothers in arms ... is that we might learn, never again, to waste the lives of our young men and women in a fruitless and misguided attempt to shore up international corporate entitlements - the privatized colonialism that merely transfers global oppression and exploitation from stateist monarchies to unelected, uncrowned, unresponsive, and unbounded privateers.

That last and remaining measure of good is now dead and buried, along with the sons and daughters of our parents' generation - the brothers and sisters of our generation.

Too soon, the fewer than one million of us who've survived that war will join our dead brothers and sisters ... and what will remain?

Our nation has not learned. Our nation is in the hands of those who care not at all for the 59,000 who died because of their sins, and the sins of their fathers from whom plunder has been inherited. They will, I'm sure, go forth and sin even more ... and more will die for their sins. For that is their perverted interpretation of a 2,000-year-old lesson: that they are enriched when the life's blood of others fertilizes the soil upon which they tread.

[lectrobyte]

8. We did break it. It has a functioning gov't, one that none of us would

probably like to live under, to be sure, and "law and order", and some level of modern civilization, i.e, water, electricity etc. From what I can tell, that's all gone.

[Philosoraptor]

9. "We"? bush uses that word a lot

We broke Iraq? Not I. He says 'we' are fighting the war on terror, it ain't he, it's our sons and daughters.

I personally did not want war and told my representatives.

[lectrobyte]

11. Good point. I didn't either. But "we" (in the US sense of "we") did

break it. I'm not sure there's any soft landing, whether we stay longer or pull out tomorrow, I guess the blood is on "our" (in the US sense of "our") hands.

[raysr]

12. All the people responsible

for the Iraq mess (The entire Bush Family, Rove, Rumsfeld, Perl, Wolfowitz and the media) should be made to use their own personal fortunes to rebuild Iraq, a country that America has a responsibility to rebuild.

[NNN0LHI]

13. And leave all that oil? You must be joshing

We are never giving up that oil. Bush has declared that he will stay until the last drop of someone else's blood and by god we will.

Don

[Imagevision]

14. Iraqi's are now saying it wasn't this bad when Saddam was in power...

[Philosoraptor]

15. ah, the good ol' Saddam days