Neocons now want women barefoot and pregnant....

[greatauntoftriplets]

:eyes:

Abortion foes' new rallying point
Conservatives take on contraception

By Judith Graham
Tribune staff reporter
Published September 24, 2006

Emboldened by the anti-abortion movement's success in restricting access to abortion, an increasingly vocal group of Christian conservatives is arguing that it's time to mount a concerted attack on contraception.

Their voices were raised in Rosemont on Friday and Saturday at an unusual anti-abortion meeting that drew 250 people from around the nation to condemn artificial birth control. Experts at the gathering assailed contraception on the grounds that it devalues children, harms relationships between men and women, promotes sexual promiscuity and leads to falling birth rates, among social ills.

"Contraception is more the root cause of abortion than anything else," Joseph Scheidler, an anti-abortion veteran whose Pro-Life Action League sponsored the conference, said in an interview.

No one knows how many supporters Scheidler and his colleagues have, but conservative leaders are watching to see if the anti-contraception rhetoric gains traction.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0609240334sep24,1,3423926.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

[Ino]

1. wow, a whole 250 people from the whole nation!

Give 'em time...

[Thickasabrick]

21. It used to be when we had a press that did it's job, we would never

hear about what a few nutjobs were squawking about. Nuts like Dobson didn't get much press either. I wish the press would quit giving so much time to religious issues - or make a separate news program for religious issues.

[Nikki Stone 1]

28. Hey, Ino. There's a whole more than 250 people behind this movement

The entire Christofacist complex is behind it. And they've been doing this for a long time.

[NC_Nurse]

2. What else is new?

That's been their agenda all along. Sickos.

[zanne]

15. It was just a matter of time.

RW Evangelicals won't be happy until we all think and act exactly like them. Until then, they'll be "persecuted".

[NotGivingUp]

3. "Contraception is more the root cause of abortion" ??? Lord,

they are freaking stupid, aren't they!? I can't take much more of this.

[Kierkegaard]

7. Stupid doesn't begin to adequately describe it.

Like 'washing your hands is more the root cause of catching colds.'

[annabanana]

13. Seatbelts cause auto accidents. . . . woof.

GOD these people are stupid.

[smirkymonkey]

24. Stupidity is the root cause of Republicanism

and dare I say, Religion.

[ComerPerro]

35. it makes absolutely no logical sense. But, then again

most things they believe don't stand up to logic...

[NMMNG]

60. Yep, and bullet-proof vests are the root cause of gunshot wound deaths

It's all so logical. :silly:

[Recursion]

4. Those are paleocons... neocons could care less n/t

[H2O Man]

23. Correct.

This is not a neoconservative issue.

[ThomWV]

5. I Can Help With The Pregnant Part but They'll Have To Work On Barefoot

[acmejack]

6. No, it's not Neocons, it's people who don't like Hillary!

I just found out it's anybody who doesn't madly adore HRC or Maria Cantwell. That's right, it's not a matter of their politics, it's because they're "Misogynists"! I've been called a lot of names in my life, including plenty way too vile to type here. But this is a first!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2843434&mesg_id=2843450

[Prophet 451]

10. Who the F is Maria Cantwell? n/t

[Lars39]

8. K&R People need to take these nutjobs seriously.

They are trying to redefine 'conception'...trying to cut out 'implantation'.

[Prophet 451]

9. That's always been their agenda

Between the USA's well and truly weird attitude toward sex and the hyper-religiousness of your culture, there's been an agenda (or perhaps just a commonly understood general aim) to roll back the progress of the last fifty years (or thereabouts) for some time.

If this wouldn't cause suffering to so many, I'd laugh because it illustrates the dangers of throwing meat to the nutcases. They're not the kind to be satisfied with a concession or two. Anything less than total capitulation, they view as a battle unwon.

I wonder if this militaristic religiousness is a feature purely of fundementalism or of the Abrahamic faiths in general?

[barbtries]

44. i'd say

fundamentalism. i know plenty of religious people and they are not fanatical, and they do not push agendas that would increase the world's suffering.

[treestar]

63. So true, we don't hear of extremist fundamentalist Hindus or

Buddhists - the biggest problems in the world come from the fundies of the Abrahamic faiths. And their God is the same one when you get right down to it.

[bbernardini]

11. Don't they realize this will just lead to more "deviant" sex?

"Deviant" being in the eye of the beholder, of course.

[liberal N proud]

12. Republicans have always felt the a womans place is in the kitchen

barefoot and pregnant.
This is not a new view on their part, if they had their way, women would not be allowed to vote and the only women in the work place would be single blond secretaries.

[cali]

14. Only someone who

knows absolutely nothing about who the Straussian neoconservatives are , could have posted such a misleading thread title. This has zip to do with the neoconservatives, and everything to do with the the religious right social conservatives. No, theyre' largely not the same, although there is a small degree of crossover. And no, I'm certainly not standing up for neoconservatives who I deplore, I'm standing up for accuracy.

[greatauntoftriplets]

19. But you read it....

AND responded twice with the same answer.

:eyes:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

31. But don't neo-cons believe in the need for a state religion?

It may be the fundamentalists who are pushing this stuff, but the neo-cons need the fundamentalists to disguise and acheive their own agenda. Controlling and appropriating women's fertility is the absolute cornerstone of patriarchal religions and always has been. And besides, why wouldn't the neo-cons want more impoverished and disposable cannon fodder?

[barbtries]

47. i think that's because

they're kissing the asses of the religious right. not that they hold any faith whatsoever

[mrreowwr_kittty]

51. Correct!

Strauss believed that the ruling elite need not be religious themselves but they should use religion to control the masses. And you see this with most of the neo-cons who currently hold power. With the possible exception of Bush, I don't think any of them (Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowicz, etc.) subscribe to any type of deep religious faith.

[barbtries]

61. and bush's

subscription is pure bs. a christian waging a war of agression. right

[sufrommich]

16. Let the fundies overplay their hand!!

Nothing would please me more than to see the backlash against fundies if they bring this little gem to the front lines!Most Americans may support certain limits on abortion,but contraceptives are widely used and considered an essential part of family planning to the majority of women(and men) in this country.Seriously,I'd love to see them take to the streets with this one and watch the republicans squirm as they try to distance themselves from their lunatic "base".I cheer them on!!

[Raffi Ella]

36. Amen.

That's my response as well.Let the crazies reveal themselves Fully :kick:

[BlackVelvetElvis]

57. Just like they did during the Shaivo debacle!

Wait until they drag out the equivalent of the Jesus on a Trailer Hitch!
They overplayed it then and sure enough they will again. They just need a big enough audience to show their asses.
Most Americans thought it was none of the government's business then.

[cali]

17. Only someone who

knows absolutely nothing about who the Straussian neoconservatives are , could have posted such a misleading thread title. This has zip to do with the neoconservatives, and everything to do with the the religious right social conservatives. No, theyre' largely not the same, although there is a small degree of crossover. And no, I'm certainly not standing up for neoconservatives who I deplore, I'm standing up for accuracy.

[focusfan]

18. Why do they think making abortion illegal will stop it?

I had a aunt die from an abortion about 45 years ago.Her husband gave it to her then put her on a train in Texas and sent her to Tennessee,she bled to death on the way.On birth control we are already over populated.Think of it this way a cattle rancher has enough pasture to feed 50 cows,what happens when he add a 150 more cows?THEY STARVE the planet has a limit on what it can support!

[kestrel91316]

54. That would be the POINT. It will help to bring Jesus back

and bring the Rapture sooner.

Besides, they relish the idea of making those who aren't salivating over Jesus suffer in a degraded world, soon to be known as Hell.

[City Lights]

20. They better be trying to do away with artificial erections too!

No birth control, no viagra!

[femrap]

40. And why is * insisting that we keep those darling

'snowflakes' from stem cell research? Don't tell me that this isn't the coming of Forced Implantation and Birth. Why would he insist on keeping them and keep insisting that they are LIFE?

He's gonna use them on someone....who? Maybe illegal women immigrants will be given a Green Card or citizenship for carrying a White embryo?

I put nothing past these evil, sick, oppressive, women-hating assholes. NOTHING.

[UTUSN]

22. But but they wanted to FREE WOMEN in A-rab countries n/t

[tsuki]

25. "Neocons now want women barefoot and pregnant...."

You forgot to add, only if they are white. You should hear all the Khristian Neocons blather about having THEIR taxes spent on N&S children.

Do you ever want to open up their skull and see if there is a way to reconnect their brain? Or do you think that they felt so close to Terri Schiavo because they know you can exist in a semi-vegetative state?

[alfredo]

26. My Operation Rescue aunt back in the eighties said that

birth control was next on their agenda. At that time her group was trying to out law artificial insemination.

[Nikki Stone 1]

27. We tried to tell women back then when I was fundraising for a feminist

organization. No one believed it.

I wish to hell we had been wrong.

[alfredo]

30. It's that old "It can't happen here" dismissal that will

allow fascism to take control.

[Nikki Stone 1]

56. You got that right

.....

[alfredo]

59. America just doesn't understand that dictatorships

are rarely benign, and theocracies always violent toward their own people.

[silverojo]

29. "Contraception is more the root cause of abortion than anything else"?!?

So PREVENTING pregnancies CAUSES abortions. O-o-o-o-ka-a-a-a-y-y-y....

[mrreowwr_kittty]

32. Wait...it gets better

About 8 years ago there were a rash of those baby born in bathroom to teenaged mother incidents. Or at least it seemed to be because CNN et. al. were in a frenzy about them. It was after the school shooting phase and before the Missing Blonde one. Anyway, I'm watching this debate between a liberal of some sort and an anti-abortion woman. The anti-abortion woman, I swear to God, claimed that legalized abortion caused babies in trashcans. Seriously. Legalized abortion causes teenaged girls to give birth in bathrooms and discard their newborns. Yuppers. :wtf:

[treestar]

64. It's some sort of generalized philosophical point, no doubt

About how the sexual revolution harms us all, in their eyes.

[Generic Brad]

33. And just how do they plan to prevent contraception?

Mousetraps on our private parts!
:think:

[sufrommich]

38. You aren't

supposed to prevent contraception,that's their real point.Sex is for procreating,only the devils disciples have sex for pleasure!!

[Generic Brad]

39. Then I need a better mousetrap

Because I apparently cannot control myself to their satisfaction.

[sufrommich]

41. ...

:rofl:

[focusfan]

65. Neocons preach no sex at all

[BlooInBloo]

34. Now? Were you born yesterday or something? lolol!

[lonestarnot]

37. NOW? :spew:

NOW? Where have you been?

[Triana]

42. Joseph Scheidler is a Kook...

...One of the American Taliban leaders. Right next to Moon and Falwell. Oh. And let's not forget AssCrust, too

[Patiod]

48. Santorum is right there with him

We Pennsylvanians need to get his views on contraception out there more clearly - let folks know he thinks that states should be able to outlaw contraception.

[barbtries]

43. "Contraception is more the root

cause of abortion than anything else," Joseph Scheidler, an anti-abortion veteran whose Pro-Life Action League sponsored the conference, said in an interview.

that's gotta be one of the silliest remarks i've ever heard.

[ComerPerro]

45. To think: Some DUers scold me for not wanting to reach out to these jerks

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

46. Fundies, Not Neocons.

Big difference, really.

Crazy asses nonetheless though.

[YOY]

49. Yup.

but they all still vote Pub...

[Nobody]

50. So they oppose contraception, would they also oppose

contraception through refusing to fuck these guys? Because if you're not fucking, you're also not conceiving.

[MountainLaurel]

62. They would

Because these are the same sorts who believe that it's a woman's duty to submit to her husband's sexual needs, even if she doesn't want to, the sorts who believe there is no such thing as marital rape.

[Az_lefty]

52. we're going full circle, right back to the dark ages...

Jesus, I miss the 60's.

[kestrel91316]

53. Only a completely evil or insane person could say this with a

straight face: "Contraception is more the root cause of abortion than anything else" (Joseph Scheidler)

I have been warning about this for years now. They will not rest until women are once again kitchen and bedroom slaves.

[raysr]

55. Even Jeanne Schmidt and "Ann the Mann"?

Yuck. Will Wolfowitz do it after he licks his comb?

[sakabatou]

58. WTF?

Isn't it more when failures of contraception are a cause of abortion? I dunno, I might be wrong.