Clinton and the Democrats should take more of the Vitamin D he displayed

[Armstead]

Vitamin D as in strong, assertive and direct Democrat. Clinton gave a voice to the half -- or more -- of Americans that have been muzzled for six years.

It was so refreshing to finally hear the things that so many of us average people feel, coming from an establishment Democratic leader. The truth actually being expressed, with no holds barred.

Clinton directly took on the myths spread by the right wing, the hypocracy of what they say now compared to what they said then, and the BS meme that the Republicans are "better on the war on Terror than Democrats."

We need to hear Rovian spin and GOP historical revisionism refuted that clearly and directly from now to November (and after).

[jean]

1. good one! Vitamin D, as in Democrat! Take a big dose of Vitamin D!

[seabeyond]

2. dems have been doing it on a regular basis when given opportunity

kerry
feingold
dean
feinstein on floor
hillary
murtha
reid
boxer

and many others especially from the house

and many others. whenever we hear them we say this. whenever we hear them we hoot and holler only to forget and call them spineless until the next time

it is getting our dems on tv that is the tough one, and us consistantly remembering all the times we have watched dems kick ass both on media and floor that we quickly forget, promoting the dems are spineless rhetoric

[ShortnFiery]

4. Then it's time for these good Senators to filibuster the Torture bill. nt

[seabeyond]

7. instead of ahead of time declaring our dems embrace torture i will

wait to listen to their voice and see what they do about the torture bill. i have heard a lot of bullshit rhetoric prior to anything having been done yet, creating an illusion before there is a reality.

lets see what happens with the torture bill and our dem and what the powers that be in senate and house do with their power. i, in no way am confident that many on du will be able or willling to look at the situation fairly or justly but that is my own projection that i willingly admit to and hope i will be wrong on

but good of you to totally dismiss my point about our own inability to grasp the reality that our dems do fight, and we dems easily dismiss them into the republican rhetoric of talking points

[ShortnFiery]

11. Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death! God bless Patrick Henry. :-)

It's WAY BEYOND time to "keep our powder dry" in the Senate.

If ever there was a time to FIGHT for your constituents, damn the chances for reelection, it is NOW! Many Senators have said a lot of "good things" but what have they done?

Don't you get it, by being complicit, they ensure that only The Corporations run this country and will continue this "perpetual war" meme.

No, I'm disgusted and it's now or never for our Democratic Senators to stand up on The Floor of the Senate and yell, "ENOUGH!"

If you continue to "wait and see" voting will just be a waltz because only the most influential Americans who are representative of the Mega-Corporations (many of them within the Military Industrial Complex) will run EVERY DAMN thing within the USA.

Our tax dollars are being squandered on death and destruction. Yet you type "wait and listen." :wow: What? How they won't filibuster the approval of TORTURE?!?

Nope, if they don't stand up, I'm giving money to their next Democratic Challenger. Damned the deceit - kick those complicit in the realization of this Oligarchy out of congress. Even if it takes a couple of Decades, we need leaders who care MORE about their constituents than about their careers in The Congress. :thumbsdown:

[seabeyond]

13. such hyperbole. such drama. you are throwing a fit before we even

know what the dems are doing. you have trashed them before anything has been done

dont you get it.

you go thru all the bullshit of something that hasnt happened, threatened, thrown your tantrum to come back and last sentence say

"Nope, if they don't stand up, "

why dont you wait on all this bullshit talk of declaring dems being the cause of all wrong in this world, nation, our politics, i guess assuming they are all powerful..........until you see what tey do. you condemn before.....

talk about foolish

dont you see..... (rhetoric on my part) you clearly do not

[ShortnFiery]

14. It's reality of condoning, if not endorsing torture.

You know, I'm a fiery gal and I admit that sometimes it's a fault.

However, what part of "we are losing our Liberties" do YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

Do you realize that if we let the DLC branch run roughshod over our Representatives, we will go full bore into a Oligarchy. We are already half way there, in that, we should all be out in the streets demanding IMMEDIATE withdrawal from Iraq. Four Billion F**king Dollars a Month! That's our tax dollars.

I feel that I'm showing tremendous restraint by sticking with the Democratic Party and voting for their Democratic challengers ... for ALL those, like Harry Reid, who IMMEDIATELY complemented the Republican Three Stooges, i.e., The three R Senators' FACADE of reaching a compromise.

I know there are junior senators and a significant number of brave democratic representatives who need to stay. However, The Senators who can and MUST stop the passing of both the Warrant-less Wiretapping Bill and The Torture Permission Bills will not snag my vote in their next primary. I hope, albeit it may take a decade or more, that I'm an joined by other Democrats who wish for a Democratic Republic, not a Nation ruled by The Corporate Elite.

I didn't vote for Nader and I will continue to vote for Democrats, but I'm taking notes, detailed ones. Just because they are incumbents doesn't mean an automatic career in The Congress. No way! :P

Vote Out (SOME) Incumbents for Democracy! http://voidnow.org

[Armstead]

8. I was referring to the directness and the passion Clinton showed

I wasn't referring to all Democrats. The ones you mentioned have been doing a great job trying.

But Clinton took it to a different level. Calling the right wing out directly and angrily, and taking the lies that have been spread in a head-on confrontational way.

It's that kind of passion that we need to see more of.

[seabeyond]

9. yes he did. i also have seen kerry and dean and i am sure others

that are going after the media in the same way. but it was kick ass how clinton went after fox. very clever and very good. i agree

[blm]

16. Clinton kept it bottled up for 4+years, whereas other Dems have been

doing it regularly since 2002.

Clinton would have been more helpful to Democrats in 2002 and 2004 if he had counterattacked on these charges when they were made.

[texasleo]

3. Vitamin DLC

:toast:

[ShortnFiery]

6. Equals = Oligarchy with "a kiss" instead of "a slap" on the cheek.

;)

[Armstead]

10. The Vitamin D overcame the LC in this case

It's the D that gave him the passion and the tossing away of strategic restraint.

Wherever one is on the Democratic spectrum, that's the core we need to get back to. Tell the dang truth, without worrying about sounding too "partisan" or "too left."

Kick the butt of Rove and his minions. That's something we should all agree on.

:toast:

[ShortnFiery]

12. "Kick the butt of Rove and his minions."

Yes, on that goal, we agree. :toast:

[blm]

19. Please tell us what "strategic restraint" was for Clinton? What strategy

is there for only speaking out to defend yourself on the terror issue FIVE YEARS later and after TWO elections went by where Bush could have been held responsible in a RIGHTFUL and TIMELY manner?

[OzarkDem]

5. And keep doing it

It doesn't help to respond to GOP/media attacks by backing down or avoiding the behavior or message they're criticizing. Repeating what they are trying to label as wrong will weaken their argument. Clinton needs to publicly scorn their attempts to label him and keep right on doing and saying the same thing, again and again and again.

[blm]

15. Question: Is this the FIRST time Clinton "directly took on the myths"

that have been circulating since 9-11?

Wouldn't it have been helpful to the Dem party if Clinton had taken on those myths when they came out and gathered steam in at least 8 books that were written between 9-11-01 and 2004?

Was it right for Clinton to sit back and wait 4+ years after the charges were made, even while every Dem candidate running in 2002 and 2004 was stuck fighting the PERCEPTION game "Dems are weak on terror" because of the claaims against Clinton that were left unanswered for so long?

[Armstead]

17. I agree -- It took too long

The "weak on terror" thang could have, should have, been taken on with this degree of force real soon after 9-11.

A look back at the record shows that Clinton was very aggressive (perhaps too aggressive) in trying to bring the issue of terrorism to the foreground, in policy and in public awareness.

It also shows that Republicans and the right-wing were much more interested in "civil liberties" back then, when it was Clinton who was trying to implement stronger counter measures and the GOP that was blocking and opposing it.

[blm]

18. Which is why Clinton and Gore should have taken these myths head on at the

time, instead of burdening all those less candidates running across the country in 2002 and 2004 with that heavy sack of bullshit that was becoming accepted wisdom to the average American.