Fascist police state officers tazer woman (video)

[Joanne98]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-641380235893353575

[Joanne98]

1. It's 1 min.

[seabeyond]

2. there was no reason to use that gun. three big ole males could

have easily have handle that woman. there is no justification for the gun, except they wanted to use the gun. they did not NEED the gun.

i yelled watching that. i got sick and my 11 year old watched in disgust.

this is how he will see the police. this is the world he is growing up in. he will not respect this. he will not respect any authority that abuses their power because they WANT to hurt someone

pigs, just pigs. and shame on them. shame what they give to my son. shame what they do to all of us

last week..... at school zone there was a motorcycle cop. he cuts thru two lanes to flip a u on a double yellow line as we all have to watch out for him, along with all the other cars and kids, no reason. not for emergency, for no other reason but he can break the law. his face was right next to my open window. he did it right in front of me. i yelled,..... hey... thats against the law. later looking in mirror at son, i say, are you apprehensive because i yelled at the cop

yaaaaa... he says

i am allowed i say. still i have freedom of speech, even with a cop. still allowed to say things to cops.

they break the law cause the can. bush breaks the law because he can. and if anyone else breaks the law, even a not hurting nayone stupid ass law, we are animals and treated as such

[Joanne98]

3. I'm glad someone put this video up on the net. We need more

people to see what they really do. I could just kill Hollywood for cranking out cop "good guy" shows for the last fifty years. They're nothing but "bad guys". I hope people all over the world see this because this is what America does to it's own people!

[pinto]

4. Geez, that's a pretty wide ranging indictment.

[seabeyond]

7. i am a 45 yr old white upper middle class law abiding woman and

i should have no issue with cops and should easily be supportive of them. and i am not

the cops have a public relations crisis. wouldnt you agree?

[pinto]

25. The public relations problem with the police isn't solely a function

of class, as you note, nor is it applicable to all cops. That was my point. Effective citizen oversight is the the most effective tool to assure that law enforcement maintains the standards that they themselves have generally ascribed to. Broad brush indictments serve only to cement attitudes that aren't supportive of real time, on the ground change. Rogue cops aren't news to anyone. Nor or rogue units. Us and them thinking just forfeits the room for intervention.

[seabeyond]

27. i dont think i am broad brushing

and i think as a whole the police as a whole has a public relations issue. and of course race and income is not indicitive of how the cops should behave, but in a general sense, it is applicable and has been throughout history. generally this group i am in has always blindly supported police and my point is they (i) do not necessarily do that any more. personally i think it is sad.

i think the attitude has gone beyond just the rogue,.... again i think much of it has to do with the social element, regardless it is not helpful to the police in them performing their job.

[pinto]

33. Ah. I think I misread your post. They do have a PR problem, and it's

unfortunate, needs to be addressed, politically and practically. We have new police chief in my town, a college community with some history of drunken rowdyism. She came from a larger college town, with much larger problems, and has set a pretty level tone to on the street enforcement here. She's also gone out of her way to be have a public presence about department policy. It's helped, a lot. We had a run with "cowboys" on the force for a while, which only exacerbated the situation.

[seabeyond]

34. see this is all i am saying. get the community to support. will be good

for the cops. mine started with my first baby. he was awestruck when he saw a police. when he was little (very articulate) and i would run into a policeman in the convenient store getting coffee, not busy, i would say to this little one.... go to cop and say loudly and clear, hi mr policeman, how are you. to get him confortable and interactive and part of community and good feel with policeman. the fourth brushing off,rude,not nice response i am left with saying ot son, not all adults are into little ones,and shrug, that is just hte way it is. we started saying hi to the firemen in the grocery store adnthey were always kind and always took the time to interact with my boys and we fell in love with them.

this is just one example.

it was when son was like 7 with his cousin same age that has dealt with police in a negative way, because of drunk father that we had a nice cop. too far and few in between. he was a bicycle cop and stopped and talked to the boys and interacted. so little, to receive so much respect. not hurtful to a police. BUT part of his job, i figure

and we have had other experience that have just not been good experiences for the boys.

[EFerrari]

29. I agree. The cops deal every day with issues that policy

makers have bailed on: mental health, homelessness, poverty, children.

I myself have suffered at the hands of bad cops but most cops I know are doing the hardest stateside job I could imagine. I'd last about an hour, that's for sure.

[sufrommich]

6. They aren't all bad guys.

What a ridiculous thing to say!What would you replace our police force with?I have police officers in my family,they aren't pigs.I hope the 11 year old who's getting this broad brash "education" never finds him/herself in trouble and is too afraid to run to the police.How ignorant.

[sendero]

8. No they aren't all bad guys..

.. not even most of them. But they do tend to have one problem. Like doctors, when one of "theirs" does something wrong, they circle the wagons to defend him.

This sort of shit is indefensible. And the fact is that for every incident like this caught on video, there are 100 or 1000 that were not.

[sufrommich]

10. True

but this is a huge country,with tens of thousands of police officers who interact with citizens(good and bad) every day/all day.Pointing to any abuse of police power and using it to make the claim that we live in a fascist police state is hyperbole at it's worst.I have 2 cousins who are police officers and life long democrats,I'd like to know how the OP wraps his/her head around that.I'd also like to hear the alternative having a police force.Abuse of police power is indefensible,but it's also important to keep in mind that police are part of our community,our dads,brothers,son etc. and abuse by some is not indicative of all.I would say the same of our soldiers.

[sendero]

12. If you hang around here long..

... you will get used to hyperbole. There is a lot of it. And some things that seem like hyperbole turn out to be simply prescience.

[EFerrari]

30. LOL! That's so true.

:)

[Solon]

32. Problem is that police officers, by definition are NOT normal citizens...

so the laws should be even stricter for them. You say you have 2 cousins that are cops, that's great, I don't doubt that they may not abuse the power they were given, but the question is, do they report on other cops that DO abuse their power? 9 times out of 10 I would bet no, and to be honest, that would make them JUST as guilty as those cops who do abuse their authority. And yes, I feel the same way about soldiers as well.

We give both a LOT of power to do their jobs, and ANY abuse of that authority should be met with maximum allowable punishment.

[seabeyond]

35. this is how i feel. and YES it is a tough job and i could NEVER do it

hence, why i would never apply. if a person cannot do it,they should not do it.

[seabeyond]

9. i hope my son never is dependent on a police officer to

be reasonable in a situation too and treads lightly. it is not an all or nothing kinda situation. it is not blindly turn eye to the problems in the police department, or have no police department. always when i talk about the issue confronting the police, it is, "if you needed one you sure would be happy to have them come". of course. it also doesnt mean that there is not a problem with our cops

i have always trusted and supported the police and been proud and enthusiastic for the challenges of their job. it has been a handful of years i started to see a shift in the attitude of cops, and i do not solely blame the police. a large reason for the things that have caused the problems in the police world is our society. i recongnize that. regardless i see there is a problem with our cops.

to support our police we cannot ignore their attitude. that is why it has escalted to this point and it should have been addressed departmentally long ago. if so we may not have reached this point

soon it appears the cops will have a microwave "tool" to use on crowd control. as i watch how they use this tool (tazer) and abuse the use of it, how much would you like me to trust them on something that wont leave a mark....

the cops in THIS video are pigs. it was disgusting and it made me sick. but i did not say ALL cops. if my 11 yr old doesnt trust cops, it isnt from me. i could give you a handful of other examples that police themselves have given my sons the feel

when they were young, i would specifically seek out the cops, a decade ago, to allow them to honor cop and respect and trust. it was a HORRIBLE expereince for my oldest and that had nothing to do with me. was all on the cops shoulders

instead of not trying to understand cause you have loved ones on the force, and deciding i am just a bad mother, it might behoove you to talk with me to see if maybe there might be more there

this is a big issue for me. one i would like for us to do better. i am looking for the best for all of us.

[seabeyond]

14. from a poster below, am i not allowed to say to a cop

hey you broke the law?

[countryjake]

11. It's policy now in many PDs. Considered the most effective...

non-lethal method of apprehension, the only restrictions being if the suspect is already handcuffed or flammable substances present.

And you do not have the freedom of speech to say things to a cop, never have. I was busted almost forty years ago for asking a big fat one, "What's going on?", standing in place ten feet away, with my arms akimbo. Assault and battery on a police officer was the charge, my five foot frame never even was near him, and that line was the only one I uttered, with no aggression, whatsoever.

You do well to teach your son the truth of power in this country. Same as it ever was.

[seabeyond]

13. i never heard of such an absurdity....... that i am not allowed to talk

utter and total bullshit and i will Never SYA, OH WELL IT IS A LAW, THEN IT IS a O.K. WITH me cause it is not ok and wht happened to you was wrong, plain and simple. i dont give a f* what anyone says, firstly..... bah hahhahaha (and sorry about caps, my nails hit it, i wasnt yelling really)

and secondly the alternative to tasering a female laying there is to cuff her.... easy as pie.... this is bullshit taser first cuff second. they said it would only be used in extreme cases when no other option was available to control. now they want to bring in "tools" that leave no mark and us trust them. the people supporting the cops on this shit..... this is the reason the american people are developing "attitude" towards our cops.

why would cops promote this. because they have the power and dont give a shit what we think or feel. doesnt make their job harder, they can nuke or taser us and shut us up

[sufrommich]

18. Then make the argument

that tazers and such are too open to abuse or that laws should be stronger when questionable practices are used by the police and leave the broad brush accusations and "fascist state" hyperbole out of it.

[seabeyond]

22. make sure you are speaking to the proper poster, i did not say

that. i am not the op. and i am the one with an 11 year old son. and they have legitimate reasons to be wary of police, and this is without ever having done anything wrong. police scare them..... and it has nothing to do with me, has to do with the police.

[MannyGoldstein]

5. That's Just Fucked

But nothing much will happen...

[globalvillage]

15. I actually wrote to Chief McNeilly after seeing that

And he sent me a fairly nasty reply. I was rational and polite, he was defensive.
I'll post if I can locate it (I think it's at work, though).

[seabeyond]

17. i guess we are not allowed to say anything to cops either

i wonder if it is assault thru email or snail mail? go figure

[globalvillage]

20. Actually, I found his letter and it's not as bad as I remember.

Hang on, I'll scan it.

[Selatius]

16. Bush et al. want more people like this running government

He needs a security force like the Gestapo.

Some, not all, of these officers will make good guards of government officials and good enforcers of government edicts.

[William Bloode]

19. I am so glad,

Most police departments in my state are doing away with tasers. And believe it or not i live in "gasp" southern state.

This is/was actually being done because of concerns of many sheriffs themselves. It seems some of our law enforcement here does care. I am/was very surprised, and rightly happy.

[seabeyond]

23. this is a wonderful surprise and am very happy you shared this

with us. thank you

[countryjake]

28. That may not be the case, according to Amnesty International...

Amnesty International’s Continuing Concerns About Taser Use
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR510302006

28 March 2006 USA

~snip~

"With few exceptions, law enforcement agencies in the USA have not heeded Amnesty International’s call to suspend use of tasers pending further study. In fact, more agencies have moved to adopt tasers, arguing that they are safer than many other types of force. More than 7,000 law enforcement agencies in the US, out of a total of 18,000, now count tasers as part of their arsenal. Few place tasers solely on a level of "deadly force" and some have argued that placing tasers even considerably lower on the force scale may avoid situations escalating to the level of a deadly confrontation"


And this article is from last summer, but it's a good exposure of how they have been abused.

http://www.fwweekly.com/content.asp?article=770

[BlooInBloo]

21. I love this - especially the pro-cop-at-all-cost crowd on DU - LOL!

[sufrommich]

24. I assume you're

referring to me.Did I give you the impression I was "pro cop at all costs"if so,would you care to explain?

[BlooInBloo]

26. Nope. Didn't even read the author line....

I have no idea if you're on the "the girl shoulda followed instructions, and since she didn't, she deserves what she got" side or not.

But whoever said (paraphrase) "three big ol males should be enough w/o a tazer..." was perfectly correct - and obviously so.

[sufrommich]

31. Then please accept my apologies

for jumping the gun.:blush:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

36. Oh Enough With The Dramatic Fascist State Meme. It Is A Bit

irresponsible for people to demonize police officers with such a one sided view. Though lord knows some police have their issues and there are several that are guilty of abuses, overall being an officer is one of the absolute hardest and thankless things to do. Calling them fascists is a bunch of Bull.

I watched this video 20 times in a row. What glares out at me the most is how the video was so conveniently edited to start at a point RIGHT before the incident. No back story, no preceding events to put in context, nothing. It is a total propaganda piece and is quite deceitful in its nature and intentionally so.

Though I can't be certain due to the propagandic editing, I would say there's a likely chance that prior to that the woman was resisting arrest and even assaulting officers. It doesn't matter if they are three men and she is a woman blah blah. When you resist arrest and act aggressively the officers are not going to be nicey nice and think 'oh, we're men, she's a woman, let's be gentle'. Their training dictates a certain reaction to certain events. Officers are harmed every day and are not going to take such risks. A taser is an immensely effective way to restrain somebody without putting themselves in any danger. That doesn't make them fascists.

Like I said, I don't know for certain, but I'd wager this woman was assaulting the officers as well as resisting arrest. If that were in fact the case, though lord knows you won't find it on the propagandic video, then the officers used reasonable force as per their training and guidelines. If the woman didn't resist at all, then that would be a different story entirely. But since they only showed such a short clip in order to intentionally not give the reader the backstory, we simply won't know. I would suspect, however, that if the situation was completely innocent on her part that the video would've started just a tadddddd earlier.

[seabeyond]

37. makes sense. forever they were able to do job without taser

but since about two years ago..... they cannt possibly be expected to do it without a taser. how easily we are conditioned

one woman 130 lb to three men 180-200 lbs..... ya, that is significant.

[Joanne98]

38. kick