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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:49 AM
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Filibuster it Senator!
Senator,

This torture Bill, S.3929, Filibuster it. There is no issue more fundamental to our nation's image and international good will, if indeed we have any left, more important to demonstrate that there is indeed a line across which we will not pass.

Do you want history to record your support of these things?

This is the issue to use all our powder upon to blow it to smithereens.

Filibuster it.

-Hoot

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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:53 AM
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1. Screw the dry powder, Filibuster it just for the record of history.
Even if there is no hope of succeeding. At least get it in the historic record that Democrats stood up to those promoting torture.

If not, they just look like German MP's handing over the enabling bill. Somethings are worth fighting, even is victory is a forlorn hope.



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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:00 PM
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15. "Somethings are worth fighting, even is victory is a forlorn hope".
well put. I think the historic record will indeed be important on this one.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:53 AM
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2. That is exactly what I want to say to my senator
Do you mind if I use it?
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:00 AM
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3. Not at all!
There is more in this thread.

-Hoot
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:03 AM
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4. This is what ROVE wanted, a lose/lose. Piss of the left, look weak
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 08:03 AM by gully
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:12 AM
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5. There's a time for principled stands.
This is one of them. Rove doesn't care one way or the other, he can go either way with his strategy as long as torture leaves the news cycle. The filibuster becomes a campaing issue? Bring that one on!

No to torture.

Filibuster.

-Hoot
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:58 AM
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8. Yeah, it always comes down to "principal."
Indeed this is as important a debate as has come up in the Bush nightmare, however again - it's a demonstration of why we need Democrats in the majority.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:05 PM
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19. I would rather it doesnt pass and take the political consequences
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 06:07 PM
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24. We're in the minority, it will pass now or a few months from now if we
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 06:07 PM by gully
don't win back the house. Winning is crucial. I do hope it's tabled until after the election however.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:16 AM
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6. I thought that The Alito Confirmation was critical but this is "The Stand"
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 08:17 AM by ShortnFiery
If the Democratic Senators who are in the Leadership do NOT fully support a filibuster, I will donate to their opponent in their next primary.

If our Democratic Leadership does not STAND UP against TORTURE, then we are going to have to elect us Democratic Senators with integrity.

This is The Time to filibuster if EVER there was a valid time. Show that you care more about the freedom and liberty of YOUR CONSTITUENTS over the desire to have a career in The Senate. Do something that is RIGHT and damn the handlers.

Words can NOT describe how angry I will be should Our Democratic Senators allow Dear Leader's Administration the LEGAL Authority to grab us off of the street, spirit off, TORTURE and hold in detainment indefinitely.

*The Terrorists* will be categorized as all of The Executive Branch's political enemies.

If they have a shred of compassion and integrity above that of the need to be re-elected, The Democratic Senators will filibuster ... filibuster - with extreme prejudice! :grr:
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:35 AM
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7. either you oppose torture or you are for it. if they have to be told
to fillibuster torture then there is no point in their being in congress.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 10:24 AM
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10. Unfortunately, it would appear they indeed *have* to be told.
I suggest we all tell them, today. Include a photo from abu ghraib too.

-Hoot
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 11:16 AM
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11. hoot. i will not tell them. this vote will seperate the humans
from the animals. i do NOT vote for animals.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 02:54 PM
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14. i broke down and emailed my congressdino nelson.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:49 PM
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26. Thank you
:)
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 09:07 AM
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9. if nothing else
put one of their secret holds on it till after the election just watch them squirm.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 12:07 PM
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12. Anything! Just stop it! n/t
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:03 PM
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18. Good idea! 2 can play that game.
why effing not??
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:55 PM
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22. Put a hold on it and stand up and say "I DID THAT I OPPOSE TORTURE".
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 03:56 PM by Vincardog
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 12:51 PM
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13. kcik
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:00 PM
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16. One more rec for 5 c'mon people
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:01 PM
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17. Done
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:32 PM
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20. K&R!
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:53 PM
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21. Thanks to all who noticed this post and recommended it...
A prior effort was less successful even though I liked it better.

Thanks again,
-Hoot
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 05:38 PM
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23. Most important vote in most of their lives
Really. If the Dems vote for this thing -- and won't try to fillibuster -- abandon all hope for a return of Constitutional government in America.

I'm not kidding. Bush will consider himself exonerated and do some things that are so stupid -- like attacking Iran -- that it'll make the Iraq War look like a school-boy prank.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:46 PM
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25. Yep, I'd say it's right up there.
Would the joint chiefs let him or give him a dose of reality?

-Hoot
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