Holy Crap! Anyone watching the Generals on CSPAN3??

[Avalux]

Rep. Walter Jones (R - NC) - speaking with Gen. Batiste. He stated that this war was based on false information and he's distressed about sending our children to fight a war for the wrong reasons. Gen. Batiste told him to read Suskind's book "The One-Percent Doctrine" - he has just finished it and said everyone should read it, then maybe they'll start asking questions. :wow:

Rockefeller's up now - here's the link:

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan3_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

[DrDan]

1. C-SPAN 3

in case anyone is looking for it

[LSK]

15. link here

http://www.c-span.org/watch/index.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3&ShowVidDays=30&ShowVidDesc=&ArchiveDays=30

[K8-EEE]

2. OMG!!!

You're kidding me! I guess Prez Moron is still "waiting to hear from the Generals" then?

[Avalux]

5. Not kidding.

Rockefeller's up now - this is good stuff if you can access it. CSPAN3.

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan3_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

[BootinUp]

3. A Republican from NC said that?

[Avalux]

6. Yeah - I didn't recognize name

had to look at the screen and saw that R there. :hi:

[EST]

13. He's the one who led the anti-French silliness and coined

"freedom fries."
He had an epiphany-rare for a puklicon-and re-examined his stance. The result is that he has repudiated his earlier adolescent, though typically publicon, behavior.

[Clark2008]

83. That Republican from NC also praised Wes Clark during

the follow-up meeting in the House Armed Services Committee when they called both Clark and Richard Perle back up to address what they'd talked about in September 2003.

Jones flatly stated that one of these men had been correct in 2003 and one of them had been far, far wrong and that the person who had accurately predicted the outcome of Iraq was Wes.

Jones, father of the terminology, "Freedom Fries," has denounced that phrase and the war after hearing from many, many soldier consitituents. Jones is one of the few Republicans in Congress to have actually served in the military and respects what he's told from the rank and file over the Bush spin.

[raysr]

150. Low morale indeed

I was in the army 68-70. If I had been told I wasn't getting out until there was a victory in 'Nam I would've went awol asap.

[Trouser Trout]

4. Even though I don't know much about Rep. Jones

I have respect for him.Is he the only Repub with the courage to ask for oversight regarding this Iraq disaster? Another decade in Iraq? Holy shit, let the hearings against the Bushistas begin NOW.

[DrDan]

7. "we created the insurgency"

Gen Batiste

[Avalux]

9. He didn't beat around the bush.

Very straighforward and damning testimony. General Eaton just said Rumsfeld intentionally isolated us and has caused the spawning of terror cells, further exacerbating our problem by seeing it as monolithic.

[rodeodance]

12. yes.

[serryjw]

19. Are these all retired general or active?

What section of the military code prevents active officers from speaking out??

[Avalux]

24. Retired, although they were recently active -

AD at the beginning of the war. Batiste was commander of the 1st Infantry Division in Iraq.

[serryjw]

117. Thanks for explaining

Can anyone tell what section of the military code prevents active officers from speaking out?

[hootinholler]

173. There's a part of the UCMJ

That prevents an officer from making disparaging remarks about the President. I'll try to find it for you tonight if I can make time.

-Hoot

[serryjw]

178. Artical 94?

I tried to find on the net?

[hootinholler]

184. Article 88:

ART. 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

From an Air Force site.

-Hoot

[serryjw]

185. Your a HOOT!

Thanks....There is NOTHING written into the UCMJ that will allow the Generls to disobey Bushit if he wants to bomb Iran?

[hootinholler]

188. No, there is nothing written...

There is a duty to disobey an unlawful order, but, that's thin ice, militarily speaking. That is why it was important to have the legal memos saying what we wanted to do to detainees wasn't torture.

-Hoot

[serryjw]

189. I'm just trying to find out who is

going to save us from *. The little fucker is the Commander in Chief....HOW is the military going to ignore an order if he decides to bomb Iran?

[hootinholler]

190. The short answer is they won't.

The long answer is that more of the best and brightest military minds in the US will continue to resign.

-Hoot

[serryjw]

193. In other words.......

we are screwed!

[hootinholler]

194. They may accept another comission when sanity returns. n/t

[Imagevision]

131. Rumsfeld military code prevents active officers from speaking out

[serryjw]

164. Yes, can you quote me

chapter and verse ??

[me b zola]

154. And then there were the Pentagon created death squads...

...created to "fight the insurgency". I'm not at home and don't have access to my files to provide a link, but this was from a Newsweek story.

[Sparkly]

8. K&R

:kick:

[rodeodance]

10. website here: to listen. I wish all americans were listening.

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan3_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

[originalpckelly]

11. That fella from NC used to be a big supporter...

or the war, but now it seems like he and a few other Republicans are sick of their party being led by such dishonest people.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

14. Let's hope this is the start of a coup by the military....

Who ever thought that could be a good thing. That just shows you how far this country has fallen. ANYBODY is better than Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld.

[Avalux]

17. Is this a sign of a military coup?

Army Top Official Revolts - Refuses to Submit Budget to Pentagon

Schoomaker failed to submit the budget plan by an Aug. 15 deadline. The protest followed a series of cuts in the service's funding requests by both the White House and Congress over the last four months.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-military25sep25,0,5555967.story?coll=la-home-headlines

[tabasco]

171. Schoomaker is one of the yes-men.

Schoomaker is the guy Rummy had to pull out of retirement to be Army Chief of Staff because the active duty generals wouldn't kiss his ass.

There are many generals who are good guys but Schoomaker is not one of them. He is Rummy's butt boy.

[Jackpine Radical]

179. Be careful what you wish for.

In the history of the world, not many military coups have turned out particularly well. I'd a whole lot rather see a civilian uprising.

[malaise]

16. The best program on TVEE

right now. The army is not happy with Bushco.

[Marie26]

152. Didn't a top Army general

just refuse to sign off on the Bush military budget? And someone from the Pentagon/intelligence probably released the NIE report. It's starting to look like the military is almost in full revolt against Bushco's policies.

[malaise]

156. Be very happy

there is hope.

[Mandate My Ass]

18. This is so damning

I hope Rummy's head rolls. They've refuted everything he's ever said and said he did not only not have a plan for occupation, but threatened to fire anybody who brought the subject up. He lies about troop recommendations and requests for equipment. Holy crap is right.

We caused the insurgency and with every death and every person detained and tortured. Durbin got his ass handed to him for asking how we can force these ungrateful Iraqis to stand up because they have the best military in the world helping them -- without charge!

The general said these people come to work every day through a death zone and have to patrol in pick-up trucks, not humvees. Their families are endangered by them doing what they do. He said the Iraqis lack neither the courage nor the will to fight, they are treated more expendably than our troops which is pretty bad.

The Abu Ghraib stuff was pretty bad too, even knowing what I know.

We're there for ten years at least.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

20. damn! I don't get cspan3. Will they have a video???

n/t

[RebelOne]

22. They will probably re-run it during the week or on the weekend. n/t

[Mandate My Ass]

23. I hope so

everybody should see this. :wow:

[pacalo]

53. You can get it online at www.c-span.org if you have Real Player or Windows

Media.

[maddezmom]

21. this guys are kicking some serious ass

I hope the MSM is watching and will report it.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

25. It's so damning to see that they have b.s. on cspan1, 2, CNN, MSNBC

the #! most important issue is relegated to c-span3.

[hwmnbn]

181. The Lehrer NewsHour had a clip......

of Gen. Batiste wailing on Rumsfeld and the "mismanagement" of the war.

Afterwards they interviewed Jalal Talabani, the Iraqi president who, not surprisingly, rejected the General's assertions.

I did not see this covered on the network news. Again, no surprise.

[Solly Mack]

26. Thank you to everyone posting about this..I'm watching the senate

on the torture compromise...not to it yet.

I can read one on DU and watch the other!!! That's great!!!!!

[LSK]

30. let us know when they actually start that debate

I'd like to watch.

[Solly Mack]

31. Okies. Sessions is still talking about the "fencing act"

[LSK]

33. Sessions makes my brain hurt

[Solly Mack]

170. Cornyn speaking on detainee bill CSPAN2

and hitting all the right wing talking points

[Pirate Smile]

27. I'm listening online from C-span 3. It is excellent.

[LSK]

28. "the rule of law doesnt exist"

In Iraq.

[AnnInLa]

29. kick....thanks for the thread

[alittlelark]

32. I've been watching for half an hour

Amazing.

Pathetic that they cannot hold this hearing in the Senate!!!
CSpan 3 ?????

Now they're discussing the $$$$ - this should be good

[Avalux]

34. Shumer: "One of the most profound testimonies I've heard

in the past 20 years. Thank you."

[Mandate My Ass]

35. Schumer: some of the most profound testimony in 20-some years

administration has head-in-the-sand attitude just like DoD.

[Avalux]

37. jinx!

:D

[Avalux]

40. AD Generals CAN'T say anything -

Batiste now saying that if they could they would speak out in protest. The Army is NOT a happy place.

[Mandate My Ass]

51. LOL

twice. ;-)

[Mandate My Ass]

41. Battiste said morale is very low in army

because of the "arrogance, dismissiveness and contemptuous" attitude of the civilian command.

[Subdivisions]

36. This is NEWS! This shit should be on CNN, et al. Good stuff. Thanks!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

39. They mentioned it briefly on CNN

n/t

[Subdivisions]

42. Batiste confirms coersion from Higher Ups on generals in field

[Opusnone]

48. He said the coercion of the DOD on the Army

to create a war plan for Iraq should be studied fror 100 years!

These guys don't sound very happy, and I applaud them for their candor and honesty (finally!).

[pacalo]

38. Thank you soooo much! Just tuned in.

[BurtWorm]

43. The general recommended Suskind?!

:wow:

Is he still active? Probably retired, right?

[Avalux]

47. I know - it was bizarre to hear him say that -

He's retired now; but commanded troops in Iraq up until last year. :patriot:

[Wilber_Stool]

157. I'll bet it doesn't exactly pop to the top of

Amazon like Noam did. Nobody watching. I's a shame.

[BlueEyedSon]

44. A pity it's on CSPAN3, most cable & satellite subscribers just get 1 & 2

[LSK]

46. it will probably replay tonite on 1 or 2

[BlueEyedSon]

49. here's hoping!

[Marie26]

Maybe someone can

post it to You Tube?

[BlueEyedSon]

112. It may end up in the CSPAN online archive, not sure how they decide

what programming to make available.....

[halobeam]

45. Wow. It's being spoken... the truth... I can't believe my ears.

Batiste just put me in tears... this strategy that began in 2003 was coersion of the generals by the administration. (Paraphrasing)... THIS HAS TO GET TO MAINSTREAM...

[LSK]

50. did you ask for other equipment and what happened to it???

[LSK]

56. we were consistently asking for more troops and equipment

and we were limited. The American army was not thinking insurgency. There was limitations on how much armor we could bring.

[LSK]

57. the generals were so consumed with shortages of equipment

and dealing with Rumsfeld's micromanagement that it was a nightmare.

He was setup not to succeed.

[wholetruth00]

52. The networks and cable news show could redeem their complicity

in the loss of 2700 US soldiers lives and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis if they would all re-play this hearing in primetime, either just before the football game or right after it.

[faithnotgreed]

172. good thought - although they can never redeem themselves i know

what youre saying
this is a perfect example of news censorship by the corporate media

welcome to du - were glad youre here

[MrCoffee]

54. Kick. Watch this now!

[Avalux]

55. Talking about lack of supplies - what happened?

How does the request get lost up the chain of command and what happens to the General who requests? (Shumer's question)

Bastiste saying they were consistently asking for more supplies and more troops and were told they were limited. At that time, they were not thinking about a counter insurgency - limitations were given but he brought what he needed as good commanders do. Much worse now.

[Cameron27]

This is a very damaging hearing

It better get played in the mainstream tonight.

H. Clinton up

[Marie26]

58. Army set up not to succeed. nt

[LSK]

60. Rumsfeld micromanaged things to a nightmare

[Avalux]

59. 9 months after invasion: Iraqi soldier, thin shirt, no ammo

Gen Eaton says he was embarrassed to stand there and see such a thing.

[Subdivisions]

61. REC THIS UP PEOPLE! Holy cow! Batiste said the whole supply

situation was set up to fail! "That's the only way I can put it." he said!

[ryanus]

126. Some have claimed that this was part of the plan all along

To break Iraq up into 3 smaller countries.

[Dinger]

62. Will This Be On C-Spin 1 or 2? (nt)

[LSK]

63. no equipment here to train troops right now

WHERE THE FUCK IS THE MONEY GOING?????????????????????

[SharonAnn]

192. The money is going to Halliburton, and Blackwater, and ?????

[npincus]

64. Michael Ware, CNN’s Baghdad correspondent said today

that the Pentagon leaking the NIE report from April NOW was significant... and showed that the Generals are openly turning against the civilian leadership (B*sh) of the war...

It was an interesting interview. It sounds like they are interested in the outcome of the next election, since Dems are the only reality-based party on Iraq, but are out of power (for now).

[DoYouEverWonder]

142. The wheels are coming off the bus

This is the moment we've all been waiting for. Hang on, turbulence ahead.

[npincus]

176. Woo Hoooooooooo

and pass the vomit bag!

:)

[pacalo]

65. I think I saw a guy standing in the back of the room with a red sweatshirt

with the word "Torture" in large, bold letters. Anyone else see that?

[alittlelark]

66. Sen Clinton up now

[Habibi]

67. Hillary up now

Thanks for the heads-up on this--it's astounding.

[LSK]

68. Hillary: frustrated we have not had any hearings like this

[Subdivisions]

69. Clinton up!

[Avalux]

70. Hillary Clinton up now -

I serve on the Armed Services Committee, and we have not had any hearings like this. :applause:

[Marie26]

72. All we hear there is the Admin. officials

We need to get behind the screen - like the Wizard of Oz... What can we do right now?

[otohara]

I'm Guessing There Are NO Republican's There?

so far, I'm only seeing dems..

[burythehatchet]

74. Walter Jones

[Avalux]

75. Read my OP - at least one there. n/t

[Subdivisions]

76. Yes. Hillary said that this was the first meeting with no Republicans in

attendance.

Edited to add: My bad. I was corrected by Post #74 and #75.

[Subdivisions]

71. You know, you'd think at some the MSM would get sick of being

scooped by the blogosphere and ACTUALLY COVER THE NEWS! Jeezus!

Dumbfuck MSM.

[Cameron27]

73. Batiste

All of us have said DOD needs to be changed out...new leaders. Bring in the best and brightest to figure this thing out.

[eleny]

77. And he just suggested we conscript Iraqis

[Marie26]

78. Batiste - We're not fighting a war

1% is, and they're not being supported.

Paul Eaton - We need new military leadership (!)... We are bankrupt in leadership at the national level right now.

[MrCoffee]

82. Eaton - "We are bankrupt in leadership at the national level."

[ryanus]

79. Oh wow

This is pretty brutal. There's going to be some serious damage control by the administration on this.

The one general said that they are 60,000 troops short and that we need to get more troops. He said that that may be difficult and expensive. But if we don't get them, we will fail in Iraq that we and our children will have to pay for this mistake.

Why do these generals hate America?

[Marie26]

85. Assuming the media

bothers to cover it.

[DoYouEverWonder]

147. Rummie's Army doesn't have 60,000

more troops to give.

It's either get out or get drafty.

[Avalux]

165. And it's not just troops -

no equipment, lack of supplies. Our military cannot continue as they are; something has to be done.

[Avalux]

80. Whoa! 60K soldiers SHORT; Army out of sync -

Bankrupt in leadership right now - General Eaton.

[Subdivisions]

90. But didn't Mitch McConnell just say a bit earlier that the Army had

set a recruiting record.

The tangled web is coming unwoven.

[Cameron27]

81. We are bankrupt in leadership at the national level!!!

[Subdivisions]

84. "Leadership bankrupt"

[Mandate My Ass]

86. Eaton" We're bankrupt of leadership at the national level"

[malaise]

87. CNN just gave it 15 seconds n/t

[Wilber_Stool]

88. Is it just me or

have we entered into the wildest CYA cycle that I have ever seen?

[Marie26]

89. Clinton - what are consequences if US withdraws?

Batiste - Civil war of some magnitude, which will turn into a regional mess. Separate Kurdistan, clashing w/Turkey. This is going to drag us into a mess of some proportion. Sadly, we went into this w/o doing our homework.

Eaton - Sadly, biggest beneficiary is Iran. Hegemony.. resurgent Islamic republic of Iran.

Hammes - Civil war in Iraq. It will spread - it already has. Major oil disruptions, new terrorist strongholds w/easy access & re-create Afganistan for the terrorists.


This is frightening!

Harry Reid - This hearing could change our country.

Dorgan - This is the most stunning testimony I've ever heard... You fight for your country by speaking out at this Senate hearing.

[LSK]

93. Sadly we got into this without doing our homework

[jsamuel]

100. Hey Clinton, what's the answer to "if US doesn't withdraw"?

same answer, but much much worse

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

133. Other options: to deploy more soldiers or beg the UN to take over

Frankly, I'd like to see W kissing asses on national TV at the UN security council.

The other option, favored by the officers I heard is to take an area, hold it and rebuild the infrastructure. That is where they are so short handed.

They described the current tactics as whack-a-mole. Said we don't have the troops to do it right.

[MrCoffee]

91. It's about time someone talked about Kurds/Turks and what happens...

when Iraq goes completely and totally tits up.

[LSK]

96. yes but nobody talks about Turkeys desire to join the EU

And having the EU restrain them.

[MrCoffee]

99. Turkey is chomping at the bit to go into northern Iraq and wipe out

the Kurds, who are busy making serious military raids into Turkey.

[LSK]

104. Turkey is also chomping at the bit to join the EU

[Avalux]

113. Turkey doesn't want to lose part of its country -

if the Kurds gain independence, they will. Kurdistan.

[MrCoffee]

Yes...and how much reporting on that have you seen?

I read for the first time about a month ago that Turkey is mobilizing about 80,000 troops on it's southern border to "repel Kurdish incursions"...whatever that means.

[Mandate My Ass]

97. earlier they talked about dividing the country into three parts

conservative estimate of at least two million dead. All out chaos. :cry:

[LSK]

108. its the only solution I see

It worked for the former Yugoslavia eventually.

[MrCoffee]

123. What else is there to do?

North Iraq = Kurdistan

[Imagevision]

145. As Bush claims he's been listening to the the generals on the ground

lying bastard!!

[butterfly77]

92. They need 60 thousand soldiers..

I smell a draft. They said we need new leadership.

[Avalux]

94. Batiste says no timeline - civil war will ensue -

will turn into regional mess. Kurds have a goal of freedom; Turkish government have been fighting in the south; they're not about to let part of their country cede to Kurdistan. Impact of Iran and the Shia/Sunni divide will flash and involve countries who are now our friends, we'll be dragged into a mess.

Sadly, we got into this without doing our homework.

[ryanus]

95. "We got into this without doing our homework"

"There will be civil war in Iraq. It will spread"

"We weill create new areas for terrorists"

[Subdivisions]

98. Oh this is GOOD! My heart is beating so fast!

[Cameron27]

101. The consequences of this friggin mess

are mind-boggling.

Reid: This hearing could change our country

[LSK]

102. Reid thanks the Generals for coming forward

More hearings coming up.

[BelgianMadCow]

105. Yes, SEVERAL ADDITIONAL hearings

good. Are they trying to preempt dem hearings?

[Avalux]

ADDITIONAL hearings to come - this one's over.

GOOD STUFF!!! Woo hoo!!! :applause: :woohoo:

[dogday]

103. I am hearing this and freaking out.....

We have got to make a change now... We don't have any time left...

[BelgianMadCow]

110. One of those testifying mentioned what sounded to me like

the need to protect the major "communications" line for US and Europe - it reminded me of the strait of Hormuz, was he meaning the oil supply line?

There were also several references to Iran.

[dogday]

118. Said Civil War, then a regional conflict which

would prevent oil from moving...He said I am not an economist, but that can't be good... Damn straight...

[BelgianMadCow]

132. Clinton asked the questions of someone who expects to inherit the mess

just an observation. It is as if the light was turned on and everyone was blinking...

[dogday]

161. You better believe the administration

will counter this by having the Generals who are "on the ground" spin their story... They will say, after all, who is better qualified to judge what is happening in Iraq? Problem is, the Generals do what the Administration says to do......

[MrCoffee]

106. Good Stuff!

[LSK]

107. someone on the audience shouted "the troops want to come home"

Right after the gavel closing the hearing.

[Avalux]

109. I heard it - "the troops want to come home" (female voice)

"No more war".

[kerry-is-my-prez]

111. So it looks like the media is there???

I think I saw Helen Thomas go up to them at the end.

[Marie26]

114. Rummie's Response!

Coming up...

[malaise]

158. CNN covering now n/t

[Marie26]

159. But not the actual hearing, of course.

Disgraceful.

[Subdivisions]

115. Karzai/Rumsfeld up now

[Avalux]

120. This ought to be good.

:eyes:

[tblue]

116. Oh great. Rummy gets to rebut.

[halobeam]

119. Hold in your nausea..... your lunch most likely will be lost...

Here comes Rumsfeld, and Karzai... and LIES.... OH GOD... Don't know if I can take what is coming.

[Imagevision]

121. Don't expect a comment from the WH. or Tony Snow anytime soon...

[Avalux]

130. Rumsfeld is supposed to comment - up now on same channel. n/t

[pinto]

122. Amazing hearing. The brutal honesty really underscores

the fix the Bush Administration has misled us into, and some of the tough choices we face as a result.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

124. CNN: Duncan Hunter on Terror coming up.... wtf???

This is going on and they have swiftboater Duncan Hunter on....

[leftchick]

125. Have ANY called for Troop Withdrawal?

I saw all of their opening statements and became discouraged when none of them would talk of withdrawing troops. Like good soldiers all are hoping for a way for the mission to succeed.

:banghead:

[Avalux]

136. I'm trying to be patient with that -

not put the cart before the horse, so to speak. What happened today was incredibly significant, even if they didn't call for troop withdrawal. This testimony brings to light the mismanagement, lack of planning, and just downright incompetency of the leadership in the Pentagon. It's the first step in getting people to realize Iraq is a failed policy. Then we go from there....

[BelgianMadCow]

143. Q by Clinton : what happens when a timetable is set for withdrawal

answer was basically : civil war and a subsequent regional conflict, so basically implying we cannot pull out.

Personally, I find that the US shouldn't have been there in the first place, and is certainly fueling violence and terrorism by being there.

A forced withdrawal of the US, as soon as a US paid for UN relief operation can be on the ground.
Scott Ritter can head that one. :sarcasm:

[Malva Zebrina]

175. I agree

it seems to be that "winning" the war in Iraq is the main focus. It is admirable that the retired generals are concerned abuot the troops and their equiptment, but they are retired and have no power to make it better and they will not make it better, imo, by these appearances. We all know that the invasion of Iraq was manipulated by Bush and his lies. Seems the generals do mot want to address that. Excuse me, but should we not mention the lies Bush told to his cuntry in order to occupy and invade Iraq? I failed to see the generals talking about that order to invade, that was absolutely a criminal act.

So, I shut it off, losing my patience with the lot of them and their committment, apparently, to winning a war that is at it's worst, nothing more than a slaugherhouse

[EST]

127. Wow! Just WOW!!

The open and direct testimony of these real patriots is a grim indicator of the enormous trouble this couuntry is in.

The clownish incompetence and overweening arrogance of the bush administration is beyond comprehension.

Something has to be done-now!

[halobeam]

128. He's addressing Nato troops and Afghanistan

[Subdivisions]

129. I believe this hearing will mark a definative turning point...eom

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

134. I hope so.

I wish it was broadcast live on Fox.

[halobeam]

135. Yeah and this response about Iraq IS:

Lets talk about Afghan.

[Marie26]

139. It's stunning

I'm just worried not enough people were able to see it. Why couldn't CNN broadcast something important for once?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

141. If the media covers it that is..... CNN is talking about the weather.

n/t

[tblue]

137. They're taking questions already

No one there from Afghanistan. Karzai: Good for me! (WTF?)

Question: Army stretched too thin...

Rummy: Any time there's a war.....there may be units asked to increase the number of days....bring in other troops earlier. Not gonna discuss a specific unit...

Doesn't answer the f-in' question.

[Imagevision]

138. Rumsfeld today was asked by reporter to resign, he replied, no, next

question...

[Finder]

140. Let's agree to keep this front and center....

no matter what Mel or Hugo says or Paris H. or Tom C. does.

[MrCoffee]

144. Rummy's Response: The Fucker Dodged the Question!!!!!

Q: What do you think about the generals calling for your resignation?

A: HE DIDN'T ANSWER

[Cameron27]

146. He said "I'm not..next question"

What a sleaze

[halobeam]

151. YEP... ewwwwwwww factor (squared)

What a low life.

[Rex]

148. A plea to America, don't leave it up to the military professionals

to 'fix' our problems. They will eventually, I would hate to see that day come. Piss off a military long enough and you know what happens.

[MrCoffee]

153. And these guys were in command back when we would be greeted as liberators

What must the brass be thinking now?

[Rex]

162. Secretly furious and feeling kinda randy.

I have a friend going back to Iraq soon for his third tour. Last time I talked to him, he told me how pissed off everyone is. No one believes (how could they) we went into Iraq because of terrorism. Not anyone from his battalion commander to the troops he's leads. When I met him, he was a hardcore Republican. Today he hates the Republican Party and won't even admit to ever having been a part of the GOP.

He's stationed at Ft. Hood and is a career Army NCO.

[MrCoffee]

163. Third tour? Poor guy.

[Rex]

166. He missed his first baby being born and will miss the 2nd year

of his second kids life and the third year of his firstborn's life. Two of the cutest kids I've ever seen. :(

[MrCoffee]

167. Now I loathe * even more. I didn't know that was possible.

The shit they put the men and women in uniform through is unreal. Wish your friend the best of luck over there for me. I hope he comes back ok.

[Rex]

168. Thanks MrCoffee

I was his best man, so this one is really personal for me.

Thanks for the best wishes, I will pass them on.

[tblue]

149. Well, that was an informative q&a

It's over already. He knows he is despised.

[Avalux]

155. He didn't even try to spin.

Completely avoided the question.

[Subdivisions]

160. Hearing hitting the MSM...CNN reporting

[gully]

169. Really?

My gawd, has sanity returned to the nation after all?

[DemReadingDU]

174. Hope this will be rerun on C-span later

Missed this earlier

[Red Right and BLUE]

177. kicked. rec'd. bookmarked.

[BelgianMadCow]

180. This hearing may well turn out to be important - Kick

on my way out

[cmd]

182. It's archived, audio, video and clips and transcripts.

http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/dpc-hearing.cfm?A=38

[Avalux]

183. thanks for the link!

:hi:

[Marie26]

191. Thanks!

The hearing is now online at the C-Span archives, too: http://www.cspan.org/VideoArchives.asp?CatCodePairs=,&ArchiveDays=100&Page=2

[Vadem]

186. Just starting again, now, on C-Span (at 12:20 a.m., Tues.)...n/t

[democrank]

187. So disturbing

to know that Rumsfeld arrogantly refuses to listen to antyne with an opposing view. We`re talking war here, actual lives on the line and Rummy offers little more than snide wisecracks? It`s sickening.

[faithnotgreed]

195. this - and the proposed emergency paper ballots - is crucial

KICKING