If the Democrats don't even TRY to stop torture....

[boolean]

Is it safe to say that it's all over, and that we should just throw in the towel?

Now, I don't think they'll actually allow the torture bill, but after Iraq, Alito, and a host of so many other things, I would not at all be surprised.

I want to see a genuine unified effort on this one. This is where it's time to DRAW THE LINE. Filibuster the fucking thing to death and if they try the so called "nuclear option", CALL THEIR BLUFF. I honestly can't fucking BELIEVE that the government of the United States of America - let me say that again: The government of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - is trying to legalize torture. It's like we're all living in the bizarro world. Torture in the good old USA.

This cannot stand. This is the most serious issue that needs to be addressed. Not even the Iraq war, not even impeachment, not even the election fraud. If torture passes, the country will exist in name only. No longer can anybody anywhere claim that we are any more civilized or enlightened than anyone else.

The torture bill cannot stand. If the Democrats don't stop it, or at least even TRY, then I think we have to wave the white flag. There is no opposition party. A dictatorship is officially born.

[Tiggeroshii]

1. They have no influence or power.

The best they can do is try to fillibuster the bill. We've seen how successful that is..

[Lerkfish]

4. actually, no we HAVEN"T seen how successful that is, since its not been

tried.

[Tiggeroshii]

6. Does somebody need to try a Strom Thurmond before you are satisfied? n/t

[Lerkfish]

7. I'm pointing out the error in post, that has nothing to do with me

you said filibustering had been tried and it has not been.

simply an incorrect statement on your part.

[Tiggeroshii]

17. blocking John Bolton was a fillibuster.

It's a different kind of a fillibuster but still a fillibuster.

[Tesha]

9. You took the words right out of my fingers! (NT)

[paulk]

10. yes, it has

http://search.earthlink.net/search?area=earthlink-ws-altsearchbox&q=filibuster%20bolton

they filibustered the Bolton nomination last year

[Lerkfish]

12. news to me.

:eyes:

[paulk]

14. proper link

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/06/21/bolton/index.html

[TechBear_Seattle]

8. Successful? They haven't even bothered to TRY a filibuster

On anything. And any mention of a filibuster, no matter what the subject, results in the DLC whining and wringing their hands about how now is not the time. And where the DLC goes, the Party follows without question.

[paulk]

11. yes, they have

see post #10.

is your opinion on the DLC based in the same ignorance you show in your post?

[TechBear_Seattle]

15. Not that it was relevant

Bolton got appointed anyway. And when a filibuster of more important than ambassador to the United Nations was discussed -- say, preventing the Junta from packing the Supreme Court with far right wing ideologues or preventing the new Attorney General from being someone on record as saying that the Constitution is irrelevant....

[paulk]

16. blah blah blah

:hi:

[TahitiNut]

13. Total Nonsense! Look up "unanimous consent" and

... try to figure out how much can pass the Senate without it. ONE Senator can make sure the last minute rape and pillage is halted.

[MannyGoldstein]

2. Don't Worry! The Battlin' Congressional Dems Have Got Your Back!

They'll use every tool at their disposal to ensure that Americans retain their basic civil liberties, and that America will live up to its obligations of providing basic human rights to combatants.

(mmmm... Golden Triangle... so shiny...)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

3. The key to it is the people & the media-we have to change the Merkins mind

The politicos will just go along with what the majority of merkins want in their states and districts.

[Lerkfish]

5. riiiiiight. and now that a majority of americans are against the war, they

have ordered an immediate pullout....riiiiiight?