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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 06:51 PM
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Oprah endorses Obama for President...
I don't think he's quite ready...

Told to Larry King on tonight's show.


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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 06:53 PM
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1. well, that'll get him in the mix
Oprah speaks and her sheeple listen!


He's not ready - you're right. But, it could be worse - much worse.


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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 06:57 PM
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2. Hey Oprah
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 06:59 PM
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4. Why the fuck should she STFU????
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:02 PM
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6. Because she is a narcissistic piece of shit
She is a worthless turd. A bag of wind. She is all about Oprah, and nothing else.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:07 PM
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:09 PM
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12. LOL!
I love ya, Binka! :loveya:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:29 PM
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14. This is offensive on multiple levels.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:33 PM
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18. Why?
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:35 PM
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20. Because it's advocating violence against a woman.
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 07:37 PM by pnwmom
And a minority woman. And making a disparaging comment about her physical appearance.

Even if done in a sarcastic way, it's offensive.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:44 PM
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:42 PM
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30. You advocated an act of violence toward a woman.
Since she obviously wouldn't be a willing participant, what you were advocating amounted to rape.

I'm guessing, from the way your express yourself, you're probably 13 or 14. You probably don't know any better.
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2bfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 10:47 PM
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49. Wow.
That is just unbelievable. Why would you say something like that?
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 12:32 AM
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64. Amazing, isn't it?
You wonder where all that bile is coming from.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 02:16 AM
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71. Yes...and thank you for saying so.
:hi: She sucks.

I partially blame her that we have Arnie as governor--she gave him a forum on her show and didn't give Gray Davis any time at all.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:05 PM
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8. Because She Has NOTHING Important To Say
Talk show gibberish. Oprah is a trash peddler.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 11:14 PM
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51. Someone just reminded me about her show on Katrina. She was quite
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 11:15 PM by pnwmom
eloquent, and thanks to her, many people got a real look inside that hell-hole of a stadium.

It IS funny how you can be spouting profanity in one post and then, in the next, accusing Oprah of talking gibberish.

Oh well. Life is full of these little ironies.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 11:34 PM
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57. She showed her true shallowness
Her fake little hugs, with her body language SCREAMING "keep your distance, peasant!" while people were pouring their hearts out.

The entire display was disgusting - it wasn't about the survivors or Katrina, it was about Oprah's oh-so-compassionate displays towards the survivors. It is always, like her magazine, about Oprah. It can never NOT be about Oprah.

Just for fawning over Schwarzenegger, and sweeping his sexual harrassment and misogyny under the rug, she deserves eternal scorn. The Hollywood elites have to pretend to love her because they know appearances on her show are gold (although that backfired on Tom Cruise, lol). This doesn't mean that she has to pretend to love them, a la kissing Arnold's ass.

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 12:26 AM
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61. The place stunk to high heaven. But she went in there, with cameras,
against the vehement wishes of the police, so millions of people could see what was going on.

A lot of people have trouble hugging strangers, much less filthy, smelly, and potentially sick strangers. (Obviously, their condition wasn't their fault, but I'm sure many people would have felt uncomfortable hugging them in that state.)

She's more of an introvert than an extravert, and she's not touchy-feely. Big deal. She did more good for those refugees with her show than the overwhelming majority of us did.
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ariesgem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:18 AM
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81. "those refugees"
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 04:22 AM by ariesgem
Sigh....

Sorry pnwmom, but may I ask why you're calling them "refugees"? When I first heard that term used by the press I wanted to put my foot through the TV screen.

I can't ever remember folks using the term "refugee" for other fellow AMERICANS who were left homeless from previous disasters. I believe they were called survivors.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:21 AM
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90. Probably I used it because I heard it so MANY times. And they
had lost their homes and had taken refuge in the stadium, and in that sense were literally refugees -- people who had taken refuge.

But at the time they were trapped in the stadium in New Orleans, they weren't yet survivors -- some of them were dying! Maybe we can agree that they were victims.

I wonder if during the dust bowl era the term refugee was used. I bet anything they weren't called a politically correct term like "survivors." But you're right -- in this day and age we're certainly used to hearing that word primarily applied to noncitizens. But maybe that's because we've had so few disasters on this scale.

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:37 AM
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86. remember when she let bush kiss her?
:puke:

and she fawned all over him?

:puke:




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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:24 AM
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92. Eww! Yuk!
Assuming that's not a cardboard prop of him. Both the height and the proportions look wrong, somehow. And his coloring . . . gross.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:49 AM
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95. it is him all right
I watched the show and it made me ill. Here is the article that goes with the pic. Read it and vomit...

On Oprah, Bush reveals 'defining moment'


By Sandra Sobieraj, Associated Press, 09/19/00

CHICAGO -- George W. Bush stepped in Tuesday and gave Oprah what Al Gore didn't -- a kiss -- and told the talk show diva that the public's biggest misconception of him is that "I'm running on my daddy's name."

Bush, the Republican presidential candidate eager to woo back women voters, took his turn in Oprah Winfrey's easy chair a week and a day after rival Gore courted her and the 22 million viewers -- most of them women -- who tune into her syndicated TV program every week.

Asked what things he knows for sure, Bush said: "That there is a God. ... That I'm sitting here talking to you. That I love my wife."

The Texas governor betrayed an ambivalence about the tight race he's locked in, telling Winfrey he nonetheless feels called to the White House.

"Life would be so much simpler to be in Texas with my wife and not putting our children through the meat grinder of public opinion. So, yeah, there's a big call and I'm deeply concerned about the future of the country," Bush said.

http://graphics.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/Bush_takes_turn_on_Oprah.shtml

:puke:
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:43 PM
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24. All Hail the Zomby!
Thanks for speaking the truth! :hi: :hug:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:47 PM
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34. Oh, yeah. How dare that uppity woman express an opinion?
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 08:48 PM by pnwmom
How dare that uppity, intelligent, successful, black woman express an opinion?

What is this world coming to?
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 09:12 PM
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41. On second thought....
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 09:14 PM by Nikki Stone 1
Thanks, pnwmom, for fighting this offensive crap
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 09:22 PM
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43. I don't even watch TV
(okay, I'll admit to Boston Legal and Big Love), but I don't understand all the vitriol here.

Thanks for the comment, Nikki.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 09:43 PM
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48. Oprah was one of the VERY few to show us the Superdome post Katrina
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 09:44 PM by Nikki Stone 1
I wish some of the posters on this thread would remember that Oprah was one of the very few who showed us the conditions INSIDE the Superdome after Hurricane Katrina. She was lauded on DU then (just a little over a year ago) for being the one celebrity who cut through the crap and showed us the abject suffering of fellow Americans in live TV shots, giving the lie to Mr. Bush's public statements.

How quickly some people forget.

For all the diet plans and pop-psych books she has sold on her show, Oprah can, when push comes to shove, show people reality when it is really necessary.

And, oh, by the way, she has LOST WEIGHT, in case the posters above haven't noticed. She looks fantastic. The one thing I do like about her is that she has been very public about weight and her struggles.

When those posters above do 1/100th of what this woman has done, THEN they can bitch. Until then, they can SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 11:05 PM
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50. I forgot all about that. Yes, I did see that. She was FANTASTIC.
Remember how the police didn't even want her to go inside because they thought it would be unsafe? And yet thousands of people had been trapped inside for days -- without any police escort -- and it wasn't too unsafe for them. . . .

And millions of people across the country got the feel for that place ONLY because she went there. You could practically smell it.

All these cracks about her weight show something about the I.Q. of the posters, as far as I'm concerned. We're at a 4th or 5th grade mentality (or younger) when we descend to that level.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 01:19 AM
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68. But it's so funny to joke about women's weight
And then pretend to not be sexist!

:eyes:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 03:02 AM
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74. Some people think so, apparently.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 06:58 PM
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3. I'd Be Proud To Have Him As A Candidate. He's One Of Our Best.
If not now, I'm convinced he will be someday. He's an incredible Senator.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:04 PM
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7. I think he's great too
But I would like him to hold off a little while longer.

I think he's a very strong contender to become President.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:31 PM
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15. I like him a lot too. n/t
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Human Torch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:00 PM
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5. Oprah's opinion and a buck...
...will get me a cup of coffee.

I don't read books suggested by Oprah unless I want to read them anyway. I don't vote for political candidates suggested by Oprah unless they're the right person for the job. Oprah's degree of influence on my life: 0%. My ability to make up my own mind: 100%. End of story.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:32 PM
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16. Goody for you. But the fact remains
Oprah is an extremely influential person and her endorsement of any candidate means a lot.
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carpe diem Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:08 PM
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10. Bush has lowered the standard so much...
ready or not, if he is even marginally competent (and not a dry drunk), he can only be an improvement
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:34 PM
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19. The advantage of being a short-timer
is that he doesn't have a long record for the opponents to trash. Too many years in Congress is more of a handicap, these days, than too few.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 06:46 AM
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87. True

Aside from not having a voting record, it also means that they are not so entrenched in the "congressional culture," that they have forgotten how to communicate universally.
Senators who talk like senators seem to find support with political junkies, but not near as much enthusiasm with people who follow politics more loosely.
Candidates who maintain universal language skills have an easier time gaining a wider range of support.

The last elected Senator- John Kennedy only had 14 years in congress before running for president.

Obama's public service record will be 12 - 8 yrs in the IL State Senate and 4 in Washington.

I really hope to see him on the ticket in some capacity!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:26 AM
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93. I had forgotten about his time in the state Senate.
So he has more actual experience than John Edwards, and yet people didn't seem to have a huge problem with his lack of experience.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:09 PM
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11. Somehow, thinking about this and her lawsuit against the man campaigning
For her even though she isn't running at the same time makes me smile.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:14 PM
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13. Did she say why?
As much as I like Obama, what did she say about him...what on his record does she like... or is it just racially motivated...

http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=BS030017
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:38 PM
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22. She was from Chicago, remember?
She probably has lots of ties in that area, and he's very popular there.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:32 PM
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:36 PM
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21. fuck Oprah
like I care what she thinks. :eyes:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:40 PM
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23. You don't. But so what?
She influences millions of others. If she comes out strongly for him, she could make a difference in the election.

As far as I understand, she's been pretty apolitical in the past. If she does endorse him, that could be big.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:47 PM
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26. Hmmm, apolitical??
Ah, so she WAS apolitical when she showcased Arnold on her show while insisting she wasn't playing politics by NOT having his opponent and his wife on a subsequent show.

She lost me after that outrageous performance.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:51 PM
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28. Stop! Why Aren't You Worshiping Her Fat Ass & Money?
Women are sobbing to be like her. STOP. You are ruining dreams!
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:56 PM
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29. LOL! I have yet another confession, I don't buy books on her say-so
either, should I crawl under a rock now or wait until later?

:rofl:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:45 PM
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33. hey Spaz
my family and I are ready to relocate to Canada. Ontario most likely but damn, I would love to check out Alberta! Have any links for me? :)
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:52 PM
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36. I do! I will start with St. Albert, where I live, it is absolutely
beautiful here, imo! It is, relatively speaking, a liberal oasis in a sea of northern style red-necks, lol.

http://www.city.st-albert.ab.ca/

Edmonton is also a great city! (St. Albert is right next door)

http://www.edmonton.ca/portal/server.pt

I have to be honest and say I am not at all keen on Calgary but will add the link for it as well:

http://www.calgary.ca/portal/server.pt?


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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:57 PM
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37. oh thank you sweetie!
We went to Ontario looking at property this summer but I have a pull for farther west. Though my husband's job will dictate where we end up I love the mountains!
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 09:09 PM
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40. If you love the mountains then you might consider this gem of a city
It is in British Columbia, and is Nelson. If you saw the movie "Roxanne" with Steve Martin then you saw a little piece of Nelson as it was filmed there. Here is a link:

http://www.city.nelson.bc.ca/

Alberta is mainly flat farmland whereas British Columbia is definitely mountain country! Both are beautiful in very different ways.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:31 AM
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85. I just checked it out.....
I am very interested! It looks just lovely! :)
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #23
31. big for the DLC perhaps
not for liberals and progressives.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 09:16 PM
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42. But she gives away cars and gave us Dr. Phil!!!!
Come on "what were you thinking", we are talking Dr. Phil and his famous pop culture psychoanalysis that has these gems of wisdom

"You don't need a big hug to pinch a stranger's butt.

You don't need gonorrhea to learn how to make a sandwich."

You don't need an asthma attack to join the Jehovah's Witnesses."

http://humor.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=humor&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mangydog.com%2Fgames%2Fdrphil.html








(the cars were not donated by her)
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #42
46. LOL!
thank you for keeping her gynormous reputation in perspective.

:)
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:37 AM
Response to Reply #23
82. Obama for VP, works for me...
If Oprah comes out supporting Barak for VP, you've got a winner here..
I don't know why so many on this thread are so hostile towards
Oprah. She's a humanitarian and gives so much of her money away
to HELP people in need; it boggles the mind to hear the disparaging
remarks about her.

Anyway, we need every powerhouse in this country to crush the Cabal
that is driving us into poverty. And by God, if Oprah want to help
us rid the world of this malignant government, put the pettiness
aside and let her do what she CAN DO best, rally the country behind Obama.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #21
27. Hey LC Obviously Oprah Is A Star In Many Corners
Barf. Puke. Hurl. Laugh. Gag. Bust Up. Retch. Die.HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:45 PM
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32. I don't like Obama attacking fellow Democrats on national security
What, he honestly wants the Democratic Party to move right on the issue? What's to the right? Mr. Bush's War.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:50 PM
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35. I'd like to read about that. Do you have a link? n/t
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 09:03 PM
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39. Actually, no, I'll have to retract my previous comment on the matter
http://cbs2chicago.com/nationalpolitics/politicsnational_story_260182543.html

What stuck in my mind from the event was, "What exactly is the alternative he wants activists to emulate apart from the current model?" It's frustrating because there is no consensus in the Democratic Party if we were to talk about what to do with Iraq. All the activists I've known want the troops home tomorrow, but not everybody thinks like that.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 09:26 PM
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44. I agree, Selatius, it's extremely frustrating.
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 09:31 PM by pnwmom
It looks like we are faced with a disaster no matter what we do now. Bush has led us into a fiery quicksand.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:59 PM
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38. Fuck her and Larry King.
Two useless talking heads. I like Obama but he shouldn't run for President yet.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 09:34 PM
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45. Who's Oprah?
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 11:26 PM
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54. She's someone with a serious PLATFORM. As you know.
She owns a television production company, a magazine, and now she's into radio.

If she started endorsing Democrats, she would be in a position to have a major influence on the election. That seems to frighten some of the people around here. I say, bring it on, Oprah. See what you can do.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 11:36 PM
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58. Oprah has only one "platform"
And that platform is Oprah. She is the most wretchedly narcissistic and useles entity to ever poison the media.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 12:29 AM
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62. Oh yes, she is SO much worse than Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter
and the rest of that freeper crowd.

:sarcasm:

What is your problem?
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 09:37 PM
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47. Some here don't give a shit what she thinks...
Oprah doesn't give a shit what you think either.

Now on to more serious topics.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 11:23 PM
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52. Then they're being short-sighted because her endorsement
could bring millions of non-voters to the registration tables and to the polls.

Her endorsement of a candidate would be a tremendous boon, especially because until now she has kept her politics close to the vest. I think her experience during Katrina might have pushed her over the edge.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 11:23 PM
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53. Oprah could help Dan Seals an African Amer in a close IL race for congress
who has similar view with Obama and who Obama is endorising. But, no that might actually be productive.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 11:28 PM
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56. She has a history of not endorsing. She may think her credibility
would suffer if she started endorsing candidates all over the place. Look at the reaction just from Democrats here.

But more power to her if she wants to endorse whatever Democrat runs for President.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 11:28 PM
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55. well, if Oprah....
....likes Obama, then I don't like him anymore....
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 12:17 AM
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59. By that logic, since Oprah cared about the Katrina refugees
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 12:18 AM by pnwmom
(enough to bring cameras into that hellhole of a stadium even though the police said it wouldn't be safe for her)

then you must NOT care about the Katrina refugees.

Or could it be that you might actually agree with Oprah about something? What a concept.
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 12:20 AM
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60. kick
kick
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 12:30 AM
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63. Well if Oprah says so it must be true.
All hail Oprah!

(for the record, I think Sen Obama would make a wonderful president, but not because fuckng Oprah says so)
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 12:35 AM
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65. No, but if Oprah says it
she could have a significant impact on the election. Even though some DU'ers here seem to be into Oprah bashing, I think she could do a great deal of good for any candidate she endorsed. Who cares if any of us are daily fans? She influences millions. Would we rather she promote a Republican?
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 01:18 AM
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67. Three year olds call people "poopy heads,"
and sometimes it's cute.

It's not so cute when adults do it, though.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 01:49 AM
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69. That Is Not What I Said
Can I ask you honestly do you have a weight problem? It is a screaming issue here.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 03:01 AM
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73. An adult using profanity for name-calling purposes is similar
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 03:20 AM by pnwmom
to a three year old calling someone a poopy-head.

Making snide insinuations about someone's body size or type (or hair texture, skin color, gender, sexual preference, or physical or mental disability, etc.) is more at the 9 or 10 year old level.

But I got through middle school, I can get through anything.

(And so did Oprah. But I'm not sure everyone on DU did.)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 02:11 AM
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70. If oprah doesn't "endorse" people because she is apolitical.....
what is she doing based on the op?


Oprah, stick to trying to make us care about mostly non political "issues", and Tom cruise, and Tyra and stuff!

You lost me after Arnuld.....I watched you till then!
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 02:21 AM
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72. Thank YOU!
No ONE seems to hold her accountable for her endorsement of Arnie. He's a racist, sexist pig and Oprah had no place dismissing what those women said about him. As an abuse survivor, she should be ashamed. She slapped every woman that's ever had to go forward with such charges in the face.

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 03:10 AM
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76. I'm not aware that she "endorsed" him, but let's assume she did.
Suppose she's already decided to use her influence and endorse somebody for President. Wouldn't you rather it be the Democrat? Don't you think we would gain more if she endorsed the Democrat than if she stayed out of the race or endorsed the Republican?

People here seem so willing to shoot themselves in the foot. I don't understand.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 03:33 AM
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77. Hi pnwmom...
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 03:42 AM by bliss_eternal
I'm sorry if my comments upset you, that's not my intent.

I'm not really sure why you think that anything Oprah says or does should have an effect on the Democratic party. Or how so many expressing dislike for HER is shooting ourselves in the foot. :shrug:

Personally, I used to watch Oprah. I used to be a fan, but I'm not anymore. I find her to be a hypocrite, self-righteous and self serving.

I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but I was told her on DU that Oprah had * on her show as a guest just prior to the 2000 election. Maybe she's trying to make up for that. :shrug: Who can say?

Oh and yes, she DID in fact endorse Arnie when he was running for gov of CA, which really made me sad. He IS a republican and she DID endorse him by the mere fact that she featured him on her show and called him "the next governor of CA." :eyes: While I know that this is a separate issue, it is one of the reasons that I dislike her and don't give much weight to anything she has to say about ANYTHING. She's supposed to be a Dem. Why was she endorsing a Republican? I believe that it was because he and his wife are her friends.

I'm sorry, but on this issue I guess we just disagree. I'm not really interested in her talking up ANY Dem candidates seeing as she didn't consider what was in the best interest of my state, and endorsed a racist, sexist republican pos because he's her friend. In that sense, she did what was best FOR OPRAH--giving her FRIEND a platform to campaign on (her show). I will never forget that she did that.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 03:46 AM
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78. Thanks for the civil post, bliss_eternal.
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 04:03 AM by pnwmom
I'm not a big fan of Oprah's -- I regularly watch about 2 shows on TV (one of them only went on for a couple months last spring) -- but I don't know why so many people here seem to loathe her -- to the point of bashing her physical appearance. Shouldn't we all be more mature than that? (You're not one of the people I'm talking about.)

I don't care whether she influences anyone on DU -- that's preaching to the choir. Everyone here has tons of info going into forming their opinions. BUT -- there are millions of Americans who have never voted. Who watch Oprah religiously. What if she did become active politically? What if she encouraged all her viewers to REGISTER? What if she showed them how easy it was to VOTE? And how important? And what if she actually encouraged them to vote for the Democrat? Shouldn't we all be jumping up and down for joy?

Instead we're acting like we're above all that, that we're too pure, that we don't need people like her on our team, that if she endorsed the wrong person before, that's an unforgivable act and we will have nothing to do with her.

I disagree. I think we need all the help we can get. She's not an axe murderer. The worst anybody has said about her here is that she may be too full of herself and that she's endorsed the wrong guy in the past.

So if Oprah ever decides to get off the fence, I'll be right there to catch her, if I can.

P.S. Do you think any Republican candidate would be too pure to accept and leverage Oprah's endorsement? Maybe that's ONE of the reasons we're having so much trouble winning elections lately. Just not enough common sense.


P.P.S. Apparently she didn't literally endorse him, but having him on the show had that effect. Did you know that she and Maria Shriver have been friends for more than 20 years -- well before Oprah's success and Shriver's marriage? Sometimes friends do stuff like that for each other. I'm not saying that's right -- it's just what happens. I just found that info here:

http://chicago.about.com/b/a/084722.htm

"According to Oprah.com, 'Oprah and Maria Shriver have been friends ever since meeting at a Baltimore TV station over 20 years ago. Oprah remembers being impressed with how hard Maria worked -- especially given her membership in the Kennedy clan.' I think that the fact that Maria Shriver befriended Oprah before she was famous is very important to Oprah because it tells her Maria is a true friend of hers. "

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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:29 AM
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84. LOL--not an axe murderer!
:spray: That's true, she isn't. LOL!

I understand your point, and what you are saying. :)

To a certain degree, I do agree. We DO need all the help we can get, and I welcome that help. But I have to be honest in that I'm just not sure if Oprah is the one to do that for us or not. :(

Sometimes she seems on our side, most of the time she just seems to be on HER side, if that makes sense.

I was aware that she and Shriver have been friends for many years--she shared that on the show. She was at their wedding, apparently. :eyes:

Now to be fair, she DID have a show prior to the '04 election URGING women to vote. Her show also registered voters. Oprah said she didn't care who people voted for, but it was important to just vote. BUT the show did seem to have a rather LEFT LEANING bias that day.:thumbsup:

Why do others have such a strong reaction to her? Well, here are my theories. ;)

I believe in some ways it's a reaction to her fans and following. She's incapable of doing any wrong in their eyes. Oprah fans quote her like she's Buddha or Gandhi. Some people follow Oprah the way the right wing seem to blindly follow * while quoting the spin on faux news. There's something inherently scary about that. :scared:

Also, some may just be turned off by the fact that so much of the good she does is SO PUBLICIZED. It may sit better with some (even me) if more of what she did, didn't seem to be for attention, publicity and to make her look like this benevolent, wonderful person.

Some have said it's impossible for one of her stature to do things without it drawing attention--I don't buy that. Sure, some of her charitable work and donations would leak out and we would inevitably hear about it. But I believe that if she really wanted to, more of her charitable work could go without some fanfare.

I know of a few celebrities that refuse to even discuss the charitable works they participate in. One in particular (that I'm thinking of) seemed to feel it cheapens the spirit of doing for others if you have to tell everyone about what you do. Some of what they do, still leaks out--but it's not like with Oprah.

If she could consistently get behind our issues--I would appreciate and welcome that. But her self serving, wishy washy support--she can keep that as far as I'm concerned. I can understand why others may not be so eager to accept her "help" in this regard too.

(sorry for the length :hi:)
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:13 AM
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88. I wasn't aware she did a show on voting.
Good. And hopefully, she'll do more of that.

OTOH, I can certainly understand why anybody would be unhappy with her endorsing Ahnold. Yuk.

I just couldn't figure out why some of the people here act like she's evil incarnate (in the media world, anyway), when we have people like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter running around.

And I'm sick of all the misogyny I run into on D.U. On another thread yesterday some guy hurled what he must have thought was the ultimate insult at Bush -- he called him a little c-t.

And it just feels to me that anytime there's a strong woman out there, whether Sen. Clinton, or Oprah, or even Martha Stewart (another TV personaity I don't watch, but she's given a ton of money to Democrats and yet got very little support here during her problems) -- the knives really come out. Men get a lot more leeway. Or at least that's how it seems to me.

Thanks for listening. Hope you have a nice day!

:hi:
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:22 PM
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101. I hear you loud and clear
on the misogyny issues frequently present on DU. One of the unfortunate aspects of DU--misogyny, racism, anti-semitism, atheistic intolerance, throw in some homophobia--I wish I didn't have to see such things on a progressive board, but...

I also agree that too many seem to have issues with strong women. I missed the Martha Stewart discussions here, but I'm sure they weren't pretty or fun to read on any level.

Maybe some hold someone like Oprah to higher standards than those guys(Coulter, Limbaugh, etc.). Maybe people expect more and/or better from her than to be her own personal cheerleader and corporate whore--because of where and what she comes from.

People make such a big deal about Oprah's "freebie" shows, I think they are called "Oprah's favorite things" where she gives her studio audience items she loves, for free. No one ever talks about HOW she does that. Many seem to think she comes out of her pocket and buys that stuff herself. I used to think this, too. But she doesn't.

The companies give her those items to give away, in exchange for the advertising it provides on her show. She in turn, gets a monetary kick back for "publicizing" the item on her show. She admitted as much on a show once. She stated there was an item she loved, but didn't use it in her goody bag because the company wasn't willing to "pay her" to use it. That made me feel sick. :(

Personally, I'd rather see her do more of the things you spoke of that would help our party and the country as a whole--but seeing her do giveaways so she can add to her vast fortune...:puke: All it does is add to the sickness in our country of mass consumerism and that is ugly to me. Is it Coulter evil? No. But it's a form of evil in my opinion, and a sickness that she is enabling. Maybe some feel the same and are reacting to that. :shrug:

I was surprised to see her and her show go from this benevolent woman, intent on helping others and bringing attention to their life lessons to this slick celebrity name dropper, sharing all too much about her celebrity friends and their parties. She seems out of touch with the demographic that helped put her where she is today. Thats unfortunate, but ultimately, Oprah doesn't owe any of us anything at all. :shrug: She's entitled to enjoy her celebrity (I just don't want to watch):eyes: She's merely human and Im sure has many of the same struggles the rest of us do--just on a bigger scale and a camera crew watching. :P

Hope you have a good day, too!

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 03:07 AM
Response to Reply #70
75. She has stayed out of politics in the past. I didn't see this interview
but if this actually occurred, then she must have changed her mind.

Don't you think it could help us in the 2008 election if she came out for the Democrat? With her millions of loyal viewers?

Or are we, as a party, just too pure for that?

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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 03:51 AM
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79. He's a good man. Let him have a few moments of attention.
Save the vitriol for Pukes, okay?
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:07 AM
Response to Reply #79
80. He is one of the good guys.
And part of our hope for the future.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:43 AM
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83. Obama for VP, works for me...
If Oprah comes out supporting Barak for VP, you've got a winner here..

I don't know why so many on this thread are so hostile towards
Oprah. She's a humanitarian and gives so much of her money away
to HELP people in need; it boggles the mind to hear the disparaging
remarks about her.

Anyway, we need every powerhouse in this country to crush the Cabal
that is driving us into poverty. And by God, if Oprah want to help
us rid the world of this malignant government, put the pettiness
aside and let her do what she CAN DO best, rally the country behind Obama.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:15 AM
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89. Damn right. n/t
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #83
97. You said it perfectly The woman is an amazing humanitarian
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 11:12 AM by durrrty libby
On the other hand the freeptards have nothing over us when it
comes to irrational, misguided, stupid hate. Ya baby, we got some real winners…(losers)

IIRC…...some time ago, I read that Hillary Clinton was a guest on Oprah, or Oprah was presenting an award somewhere. Oprah told Hillary that if she ran for president, she would help or campaign

Anyway, Oprah has world- wide influence, is a Billionaire, and has some amazing accomplishments.

The small minded fools sit around critiquing the size of her ass. Just…wow!






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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #97
100. Well then...
'Bama and Clinton, it IS!

Loveit!

CLINTON squared/O'Bama!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:24 AM
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91. At least it wasn't Condi.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:27 AM
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94. That's for sure.
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 07:28 AM by pnwmom
We can all feel free to dump on her if she ever endorses Condi for anything.

But if she endorses a Dem, let's not look a gift horse in the mouth.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 10:42 AM
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98. Agreed. Obama is a popular democrat, though not to my taste.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 11:43 AM
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99. John and Elizabeth Edwards will be Oprah today,
but don't tell the hating fools.

:hide:
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 08:00 AM
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96. Nobosy is going to ask Obama to be vice-president
He is too bright...articulate and charismatic. He would completely overshadow anybody in the campaign.

The only candidate who might ask is HRC and that might be a way to offset the republican base coming out in droves to vote against her.
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