Teacher suspended because child saw naked statue at a museum

[Horse with no Name]

:wtf: I am getting so disgusted at these Christianists who cannot handle art or the beauty of the human body. I mean, I could understand if this teacher took the kids to a brothel for a demonstration, but art in a reputable museum?Oh please. If people cannot handle life--or don't want their kids to handle life--then homeschool them. This is getting ridiculous.
Was the teacher supposed to walk through the museum and cover any naked statues?
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/092606dnmetteacherspat.30c4a11.html
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FRISCO – An elementary school art teacher who has been publicly at odds with the Frisco school district over a field trip to the Dallas Museum of Art is no longer in front of a classroom.

The school district placed Sydney McGee on leave with pay Friday afternoon. After a special school board meeting Monday night about Ms. McGee, Superintendent Rick Reedy said he would recommend that her contract not be renewed when it expires at the end of the school year.
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Ms. McGee, a 28-year veteran teacher, contends she was retaliated against after a parent complained that a student saw a nude statue during a field trip to the museum in April.

District officials have repeatedly pointed to other performance issues and said the trip didn't spark the reprimands.

[TaleWgnDg]

1. LOL . . . oh, this is serious !! damn fools . . . n/t

[wakeme2008]

2. Sounds like the Dallas school board is going to pay

her a lot when her attorney gets done with them.

[Ishoutandscream2]

13. It's Frisco ISD, and I'm really surprised

It's a good district. Unfortunately, it looks like some fundies are raising a little hell.

[moc]

46. Frisco is EXTREMELY conservative.

My kids are in Plano ISD, so that's saying something.

WTF indeed. :crazy:

[tularetom]

3. When I see a post like this I always try to guess where it is

and I'm usually right.

[Ishoutandscream2]

15. Well, congratulations

I guess anything like this can only happen in Texas. Your clairvoyance is amazing, or perhaps it's your bigotry.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

23. Ditto.

I did the exact same thing. And I was correct.

[cspanlovr]

4. I was taught by nuns my whole life, and even they would think this strange

And that's saying something. As prudish as they were, they were also educated.

[yorkiemommie1]

70. 12 yrs catholic schools

three different orders of nuns and nothing like this ever came up.

in my hs we even had EMBRYOS in jars!!!

[Dorian Gray]

71. No kidding...

My husband teaches in a Catholic High School in NYC, and the honors students are reading End of the Affair by Graham Greene. Approved by the principal, AFTER the issue of adultery was brought up. Not one of the parents complained about the choice. The movie, however, is rated R, and his students are not required to view it. But, they can watch it with parental permission at home and write an essay on that for extra credit.

And that's coming from a Catholic school where the principal is quite conservative.

I can't imagine a school that would fire a teacher for taking the kids to a museum! That's insane!

[Show_Me _The_Truth]

5. Don't let your children look in the mirror when they are naked.

N/T

[EVDebs]

6. Manet's "Olypia" or the statue of David (at the Academy in Florence) ?

also see PBS's "The Shcck of the Nude"

[Generic Other]

7. Unreal

A 28 year veteran teacher and they treat her like this! Parents like this one deserve the illiterate idiot brats they spawn. This teacher should suddenly contract a stress-related illness, sue their asses off, and retire with FULL benefits before they fail to renew her contract.

How can any parent be so freakin' moronic?

[dkofos]

35. You would have to live in this area to truly understand

the moronic attitudes of some of the parents.

They are not the minority

[Ron Green]

37. They ARE the minority, but they're a large, vocal and active one.

They're living in a bedroom "community" that didn't even exist 20 years ago; what sense of a healthy and connected society can they possibly possess?

[Coventina]

8. And people wonder why there is less interest in teaching....

This is BULLSHIT!

[Double T]

9. They should have contacted the 'John Ashcroft Nude Statue.......

Clothiers Company' before the students made the field trip.

[Poiuyt]

10. Remember John Ashcroft?

He spent $8,000 for a curtain to cover up a classic Greek stature that showed a bare breast

[Horse with no Name]

12. Where does this end?

Does it end with important art being destroyed because the radical Christian right cannot deal with it? Where in history has this happened before? Ummmm should we say Nazi Germany?
BRB...I need to write a letter to my child's college. There is a nude Greek statue in the foyer that must be covered NOW.

[Horse with no Name]

14. Here we go

http://www.crimelibrary.com/gangsters_outlaws/gang/stolen_art/2.html
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From the moment Hitler became the Chancellor of Germany in 1933, he organized the confiscation of state-owned cultural property. His goal was to create a pure "Germanic" culture by completely doing away with what he called "degenerate art" and replacing it with Germanic works. Those who were ordered to carry out the confiscations were initially unclear as to what was considered morally and culturally unacceptable.

At first, any modern or unfinished works or art in the form of music, books, architecture, sculptures, or paintings were considered to be "degenerate." Later the criteria extended to personal property that included any object produced by Jews or Communists. However, the definition of "degenerate art" eventually expanded and encompassed any works that failed to fit the Nazi ideal. Any and all art that Hitler deemed inappropriate and morally wrong was confiscated.







>>>snip
The first Nazi campaign that attempted to control cultural property began in 1937. That year the Nazis held an exhibition that displayed what was considered to be unacceptable art. In the exhibition "degenerate" works were purposely displayed in a sloppy and disorganized way. According to Lynn H. Nicholas' book, The Rape of Europa, "the pictures were badly hung, often without frames and labeled with the prices paid at the most inflationary period of the Depression." Furthermore, "rude political and moral comments and slogans were painted on the gallery walls" around the paintings or sculptures.

The "degenerate" art exhibit drew a crowd of approximately three million people. They viewed works of artists like Picasso, Matisse and Chagall. Although many came to view the works to gain an understanding of what was considered "inappropriate," it is likely that many more came to view their favorite masterpieces, probably for the last time.

[MindPilot]

31. And the result of that puritanical purging is that now

German porn is some of the hardest hard-core in the world. Or so I'm told.

[Peace Patriot]

58. When in history has this happened before? 2001. The Taliban.

Destruction of the Buddhist statues at Bamiyan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan

Lot of similarity between extremist 'christians' and the Taliban--from freakish Puritanism to getting your jollies off by thinking yourself superior to women, to bloody crusades.

And here's an interesting item. The ES&S electronic voting corporation (brethren to Diebold, which, together with Diebold, now controls our election results) was initially funded by rightwing billionaire Howard Ahmanson, who also gave one million dollars to the extremist 'christian' Chalcedon Foundation, which touts the death penalty for homosexuals (among other things).

Diebold (until recently headed by CEO Wally O'Dell, a Bush/Cheney campaign chair and major fundraiser) and ES&S (a spinoff of Diebold--similar computer architecture) are run by two brothers, Bob (Diebold) and Tod (ES&S) Urosevich. Together these two corporations have a lock of U.S. elections, by means of TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code in their electronic voting systems--code so secret that not even our Secretaries of State are permitted to review it. (You might want to ask your state legislators about this.) These are the people (Diebold and ES&S) who "counted" 80% of the nation's votes in 2004, under a veil of corporate secrecy.

There is no question in my mind that that WAS the fascist coup. It occurred during the 2002-2004 period--engineered by the biggest crooks in the Anthrax Congress, Tom Delay and Bob Ney--now indicted or resigned in bribery scandals--abetted by Corporatist 'Democrats' like Christopher Dodd--and involving $3.9 billion in funding into the pockets of these Bushite corporations, through the fingers of corrupt or ignorant election officials throughout the land. Afghanis have the excuse of their society having been destroyed by the Bush-I CIA and its tools, OBL and Al Qaeda. The Taliban gained power because of the lawlessness of the drug and war lords who took over after the relatively benign communist government was overthrown (a communist government whose first priorities were education and women's equality). In the chaos similar to that which Donald Rumsfeld has encouraged in Iraq, the communal aspects of Islam become attractive--for the sake of civil order (exactly what happened with the rise of the Shia in Iraq, after the Bush invasion), and extremist religionists (always anti-women and Puritanical--isn't it interesting?) can gain power.

Afghanistan had no democratic tradition to fall back on. (The only breath of a democratic influence came when Alexander the Great fought his way through, over 2300 years ago, bringing Greek culture with him--and the progressive (for those days) rule of the Seleucid kings.) But it did have a strong tradition of mountain fighters who have repelled many invasions, and Afghan women, though subject to perils of warfare and warlordism, had never been veiled and oppressed to the extent they are today, with the former Taliban government and the current resurgence. This oppression is not normal for Afghanistan. It speaks of profound outsider disturbance (mostly by us--driving the Afghanis into the arms of religious extremists, as we did to Iran--by overthrowing its democracy in 1954 and inflicting the Iranians with 25 years of torture and oppression under the horrible Shah of Iran-- and as we are doing to Iraq).

But what is OUR excuse? How does 9/11 lead to punishing teachers for nude statues in museums? You could say that, in one fell swoop, it instigated chaos in the U.S.--a rude awakening from our insular, money-making obsessions--and the rise of a Taliban-like government (offering safety, and gaining power from the chaos). But 9/11, though bad enough, cannot easily defeat our strong and abiding democratic and progressive traditions, including the tradition of strong civil bonding around the "commons," and the extensive predominance of these values throughout this huge and highly diverse land.

Direct control over our election results--via "trade secret" vote tabulation--is a key element in defeating our democracy. It empowers politicians of the Taliban mindset--but with a peril of chaos far less real than the Taliban was responding to. The things they instigate and foment (veiling nude statues in the Capitol, trying to enforce religion in public classrooms, opposing condoms in the AIDs crisis, etc.) seem absurd to most of us--eruptions of insanity. And they are. But they are also something else--tools of the Bush Taliban and its lapdog press, to create the IMPRESSION that we are no longer a progressive country--that the minority rightwing is the majority. Bush and Bushites are NOT representative--they are weird expressions of a small minority that has always been into fearmongering, witch-burnings and other excesses. But the rigged election system--now controlled by Bushite corporations--combined with the echo chamber of the corporate news monopolies--make them SEEM TO BE the majority, or so powerful that the majority cannot do anything about it.

And what ARE we going to do about it?

-----------------------------

Boycott the Machines--Vote by Absentee Ballot this November!

Step one in solving this mess is regaining public control over our elections. If everyone who despises the Bush Junta (60% to 70% of the American people) vote by Absentee Ballot this fall, the reign of these extremely insecure and insider hackable, Bushite corporate-controlled electronic voting machines will be OVER. If no one will vote on these machines, then the corrupt fools who purchased them will be FORCED to reform, or pushed out of office. With transparent elections restored, we can begin to undo the damage that this Junta has inflicted on us, and put the extremist 'christians' back in their place, as a weird minority that, without the backing of rightwing billionaires like Howard Ahmanson and other Corporate Rulers, would have no sway in our affairs, and can never win free and fair elections.

9/11 (whoever was responsible for it) was a blow to our democracy. It didn't have to be. But it was--because of the advantage it gave to looters and pillagers, hiding behind a facade of religious fundamentalism (far less sincere than that of the Taliban). We cannot restore decent government, and our common interests, if Diebold and ES&S have the capability of EASILY placing a 5% to 10% "thumb on the scales" for Bushites, warmongers and corporatists. It's a no-brainer, friends. We MUST solve this problem--and the Diebold Congress and our corrupted election officials and the collusive corporatist Democrats--and NOT going to help us. We must do it ourselves. And we do it by BOYCOTTING the electronic voting machines. Boycotts have tremendous moral as well as practical force. Hit 'em in their money (the billions spent on these diabolical machines). Don't vote on them! Get an Absentee Ballot and take it down the polling place on election day. And if enough people do it, we have an election reform movement with real clout.

[Subdivisions]

11. How fucking stupid! What, was the naked statue masturbating, or what?

[bmbmd]

16. The key word here is "elementary".

Lots of great art to show kids that age that wouldn't induce giggles and stares. After twenty-eight years of teaching, she knows what pre-teens can be expected to handle. Should have run this by administration first.

[Horse with no Name]

17. I disagree

It is more offensive to walk through the Frisco Mall than to go to the Dallas Museum of Art.

[bmbmd]

18. But they do that in the company of thier parents

not the elementary art teacher.

[Horse with no Name]

20. They had to sign permission slips

to go the museum. Surely the educated people in Frisco know what is at the museum and if they objected, they should have kept their little dumplings at home or in study hall.
IMHO, I believe that these extreme whackjobs ALLOW things like this to happen so they can further their agendas. They care more about the issue of censorship and want to exploit it at every opportunity.
The thing that makes me angry is that now, because of this, the chances of any student in Frisco or surrounding areas will not be allowed to go the museum any longer. Which was the entire point of this, no doubt. It is a cheap and effective protest.

[knitter4democracy]

41. And what a horrible thing that is.

I once took the seniors to a play of Dracula (it'd been one of the summer reading books) and sat next to Sister, the principal, while they showed the vampires eating the baby (with attendant blood and screams). The students were horrified, the principal was shocked and disgusted, and I thought I was going to get fired. Turned out that the principal understood that drama happens, that art sometimes is shocking, and that it made for a teachable moment with the students afterwards.

What if she'd prohibited seeing plays after that?

[Fierce]

24. Disagree.

When I was in fifth or sixth grade, we took a field trip to the local museum. We looked at a lot of different art pieces. Many of them were in the same room as a 15-foot-high painting of a nude woman called "Birth of Spring." As art, it was sentimental and schlocky. For sixth graders, it was "nekkid wimmin!" There was so much snickering going on that finally the docent said, "Fine, let's go over and look at this, since everyone seems to want to." She then gave a nice little mini art dissertation on the nude in art, and how the painting itself had been slashed by someone who didn't approve, and so it was now under bulletproof glass, and about how tastes change throughout the years. By the end of it, we'd all shut up.

[knitter4democracy]

42. Teachable moment.

Awesome!

[ncrainbowgrrl]

68. Great post- thanks for sharing this experience.

it shows the value of education in combatting knee-jerk reactions!

[theHandpuppet]

66. Amen!

:applause:

[Jacobin]

21. 'giggle and stares'

After they've been exposed to museums a few times, they might understand that they don't have to act like the children of the Taliban.

That's whats wrong with this puritanized fucked up country. No exposure to art, very little exposure to meaningful education, and TV full of prurient shows that make the body and sex into something like binge drinking beer contests.

[Freedomofspeech]

27. Thank you..

my thoughts exactly.

[bmbmd]

32. My wife is an art teacher, with a degree in sculpture.

She teaches junior high in a small north Texas (exemplary) school. Even in junior high, she would never expose children to questionable material without permission from the administration and the parents. Even without that, she is able to teach art, art history, and appreciation of beauty and form. All I'm saying is that this particular teacher seems to be brewing for a fight, and went outside of her authority to pick one. This was a set up from the word go.

[Jacobin]

49. When my children go on a field trip

They send home a permission slip saying where they are going.

I'm not amused or encouraged to fully believe that this is exactly what happened and that the parents who freaked out were so utterly ignorant, that they did not realize that art museums contain pictures and sculptures of the human body, without the John Ashcroft curtain.

Fucking Taliban dimwits.

And since when is Da Vinci's "David" Questionable?

:eyes:

[proud2BlibKansan]

51. So what do you think she should have done?

Called the museum and asked them to cover up the nude statues?

[bmbmd]

53. Here is the website of the Dallas museum.

http://www.dallasmuseumofart.org/Dallas_Museum_of_Art/index.htm

I'm not sure what is questionable in this collection. There is plenty of beauty to behold-shouldn't have been to difficult to avoid the "naughty bits".

[proud2BlibKansan]

54. Usually, when you go to an art museum on a field trip,

you go where they tell you to go. For example, I can take my students to our art museum to see colonial American art or modern art or sculpture or Chinese art, etc. I have no say over the specific pieces of art they will see, only the genre.

Point is - the museum decides what the kids see after the teacher tells them what kind of art they are looking at. There is a very good chance this museum has had hundreds of thousands of kids go through it on field trips. And I am willing to bet many of them have also seen nudes in that museum.

[never_get_over_it]

22. We don't know from this article

that the nude was part of the field trip agenda or something one of the kids just saw in the museum. It is totally ridiculous for a 28 year vetrean teacher to lose her job over something so stupid - and I wonder what impact this has on her retirement - pretty close to 30 years - makes you wonder if there is not a hidden agenda. I hope she sues their butts off.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

25. I went to a Catholic school...

here in San Francisco.

As a child in elementary school we often took field trips to the De Young and Legion of Honor museusm here. There were nude statues. There were nude paintings. Many of the kids giggled and and stared. Did that stop the Sisters from introducing us to great art? No.

It is never too early to introduce a child to art -- all kinds of art.

Can you imagine school children in New York or Paris not being able to view the works of the Met or teh Louve because someone fears a glimpse of some tit??? That's just fucking crazy. :crazy:

[mcscajun]

34. I attended Catholic grammar school in NYC in the late 50s and early 60s

and we also took more than one field trip to the Metropolitan Museum of Art, and the Museum of Natural History.

We had art class once a week, and 'art cards' showing masterworks. Certainly, none of the 'art cards' had nudes depicted, but when we went to the Metropolitan, we were pre-teens, and were certainly exposed to nude statuary. We were accompanied by nuns and the occasional parent chaperone. No complaints were ever lodged, and the field trips went merrily on. Those objecting to the nudity must find the distinction between art and pornography rather thin, or perhaps non-existent. Odd ducks, they.

I don't see the least bit of "objectionable" content in going to a conventional museum and having nude statuary in sight of pre-teens or teens. It might be problematic to take younger children to a Museum in large groups in any case, nudity or no.

[MadHound]

28. Please, I was taking trips to various museums long before I was ten years

Complete with nudes, and while sure, it did provoke some giggles and stares, it also exposed us kids to fantastic art and culture. In fact my fourth grade art book had pictures of Michealangelo's "David" and the "Venus de Milo" among other nudes. Hell, the Catholic church sponsored many great artists who painted nudes for the Church. And heaven forbid, we had full access to National Geographic magazines too:eyes:

Sorry, but this is just more prudish, fundy craziness, a cancer on our society.

[ForFuxakes]

33. Ummmm.....OK

From my understanding she has done this for a number of years now....same class, same field trip...

BTW...I thought Adam and Eve were naked until they gained "knowledge" and that we were created in the image of God?

[dkofos]

38. Get real

My first trip to a museum was when I was in the 4th grade.
I saw nudes. It was no big deal. It was art.

[proud2BlibKansan]

50. Oh I am sure she did

No teacher can book a field trip nowadays without filling out a dozen pieces of paper justifying the field trip and aligning it to the curriculum. Then the administration has to authorize the trip and the transportation. So yes, I am quite sure she ran it by administration first.

Sounds like a parent signed a permission note without reading where they were going, then called and complained when her poor innocent child came home and reported he had seen nudity. The administration had been looking for a way to get rid of this teacher and this issue fell into their laps.

What I don't understand is the trip was last spring. Why are they just now suspending this teacher? That really makes little sense.

[Odin2005]

59. Bullcrap.

The notion that kids can't handle nudity is BS made up by prudes.


We should celebrate our bodies, not treat them as something bad. the notion that the body is evil is hype-rreligious nonsense.

[TankLV]

60. The key word here is "morans".

It's appropriate for ALL ages. Period.

It's the fucking HUMAN BODY - not some porn mag.

A man has a penis, a woman has a vagina and boobs. Deal with it.

Don't expect the rest of the world to look at it under cover because "some children" might be - EXPOSED!

The problem is is that they are not "exposed" MORE to it, so it is shocking at all.

Have they ever seen their parents neekid! Have they seen THEMSELVES neekid.

Yours is a BULLSHIT argument.

[bmbmd]

61. Is it necessary to resort to namecalling

when some one disagrees with you?? I would not take a ten year old to see an R-rated movie any more than you would. I am not anti-art or anti-nudity. I am against a teacher taking it upon herself to "educate" children without their parents' knowledge. How would you feel if a teacher made your child pray in class, or God forbid, recite the pledge of allegiance? It was not her place to do that, and she got called on it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

65. You know what?

[Richard Steele]

72. "Without their parents knowledge"? How do you figure?

Standard once-a-year field trip to a Public Museum;
a field trip for which THE PARENTS SIGN PERMISSION SLIPS.

That "without their parents knowledge" arguement simply
does not apply to this case.

[theHandpuppet]

64. Fifth graders really shouldn't be traumatized by statues of the nude body

It's absurd. If that child was so upset by a nude statue then he or she should be barred from attending future field trips, as you can't hide art from any and all eyes which might be offended. Should the museum rearrange its public collections to satisfy the neurotic hangups of a few? Further, I hope this child's parents never take the kid on a field trip to Europe lest they demand the public fountains and statuary be properly draped first.

Let me guess -- this child's parents aren't offended in the least by the steady diet of blood, gore and violence consumed by their child via TV, movies, video games, and some contemporary music. Better yet, take them to church where they can pray to statues of a bloodied and tortured man in a loincloth and who's nailed to a cross. But damn that Rodin all to hell!

Asinine. Totally asinine.

[Jacobin]

19. Tell me again how they are different from the Taliban?

Blowing up and maiming tens of thousands of people..blood and guts> GOOD!

Going to museum where the human body is carved in stone by artists? > BAD!!

[Perky]

26. There has to to be more to this story ????

[Horse with no Name]

30. Just a little education on Collin County

They voted 71% for George Bush in the last election. It goes without saying that there is more than likely a high number of fundies.
If you are interested--here is an eye-opener on Collin County and it's dirty little secrets.
http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/spe/2005/price/report.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/longterm/stories/081605dnedicollin.ccc504a.html
>>>snip
"The Price of Prosperity," a three-part series that wraps up in The Dallas Morning News today, paints the picture of a growing "Can't we have both?" mentality in modern society. Although the statistics and stories focus on Collin County, one of the richest areas in the U.S., the mentality is evident on lesser scales throughout North Texas and, indeed, the nation.

The story is just a little more ironic in Collin County because it is, perhaps, the reddest county in a very red state. And it's home to a lot of fiscal conservatives who preach family values – while spending more than they have and spoiling their children.

Some of the same people who have filed for the record number of bankruptcies in Collin County in recent years surely have criticized political leaders for "not making tough choices." With tax dollars, it seems so clear to them. But with credit cards lining their wallets and an image to keep up, somehow rhetorical "tough choices" seem impossible.

To be sure, not everyone in Collin County, and not everyone with credit card debt, is in too deep. But to many so-called fiscal conservatives, it seems perfectly OK to cut taxes and increase spending on a war at the same time. And if that's defensible, then it certainly makes sense to buy those new $10,000 granite countertops now, rather saving for them. After all, the Joneses have them now.

[karlrschneider]

29. I wonder how the "offended parent" feels about James Dobson

and his suggestion that fathers take their kids into the shower with them to show them his penis...?
:eyes:

[dkofos]

36. What is really appalling is the fact that the parent

didn't know that you may see nudes in an art museum.

[GreenPartyVoter]

67. Amen to that

[Akoto]

39. Nothing questionable about the field trip.

I have been visiting museums from a very young age, and I've seen my share of nude art. Did I grow up to become a twisted, immoral monster? Nah. Instead, I'm a young man who embraces culture and creative expression.

Stuff like this is just plain silly. The prudishness has got to go, before what little culture remains in America is swept away.

Newsflash: The human body does not come prepackaged with clothing.

[knitter4democracy]

40. My mom taught high school art for 33 years.

She started taking me to art museums from toddler age on. She never had trouble taking kids to the Detroit Institute of Arts. She often got in trouble for other things, though. Murals of dragons that were believed to be satanic, students who made bongs in pottery class and then denied it to their parents, and principals trying to get her to quit after twenty years (and a salary to match, making her "too expensive") all really dragged her down in the last few years.

I doubt the district's issue on lesson plan prep is real. That's such a catch-all. I once got reprimanded when mine weren't typed and in a three ring binder like another teacher's, when it was news to me that it was a new requirement. I think instead it's about a parent complaint, being scared of whom that parent represents, and the teacher having 28 years in and being more expensive than a first year teacher they can scare into teaching the way the parents want.

[woodsprite]

43. Wonder what they would have done to my daughter's 8th gr SS teacher

He assigns a court case to each kid to research and argue as a presentation in class. Last year, he assigned a case to my friend's daughter where a guy married a barely legal teen, got her pregnant, murdered her, then had sex with her.

Now THAT was something to be upset about!

BTW, apparently my friend's daughter did do the presentation, but her Mom had it out with both the teacher and the principal. He won't be making that same case assignment again.

[Horse with no Name]

45. I wouldn't like that either

It isn't "normal" and shows the depths of depravity in one individual.
A child shouldn't have to experience that.

[madmusic]

44. No mention of any Christian.

Maybe the mother was a "for the children" fascist.

[Horse with no Name]

47. Perhaps because I am very familiar with the area

and the land of the megachurch. The real "family values" crowd, you know?

[bmbmd]

48. You know that, and I know that

I just have a feeling that dear teacher should know that, too. Seventy-one percent of those kids parents voted GWB, so why aggrevate them??? For kids that age, in that environment-"Blue Boy" and "Whistler's Mother" might be more appropriate.....

[slackmaster]

52. Teacher's lucky she wasn't arrested for "statuatory rape"

:argh:

[KansDem]

55. I remember my first nude statue...

It was on display at the Huntington Library in San Marino, California. I think it was of Venus... I remember standing there and examining it for quite awhile, making sure my parents didn't see me.

That and Rubens's "Rape of the Daughters of Leucippus" were my first encounters with the unclothed female form



Edited for spelling

[SoCalDem]

56. I saw a news item about a teacher (in Kansas) who took the kids

to a museum, where a mosaic in the floor depicted an evolution scene.. He told the kids to "avert their eyes" and to walk around it.. :eyes:

[BluePatriot]

57. How moronic

Words fail me.

[dback]

62. Y'know, fundies and freepers, just home school your own damn kids

That way you can control every morsel of thought that seeps into their little pea brains. The rest of us will be pursuing a real education.

[noonwitch]

63. The freepers even thought this was stupid

One even commented that the teacher should sue.

[lies and propaganda]

69. Our disgusting naked bodies are only for baby making.

Aint you read yur Bible?

[Rosemary2205]

73. Performance issues - lesson planning problems?

So the school is claiming they didn't know the class was going to the Art Museum??

[Missy Vixen]

74. Here's another point

Isn't fifth grade the infamous "sex education" year in school?

I went to school when dinosaurs roamed the earth, but I seem to also remember that it was the fifth grade class that got "the talk" (and the girls got to watch a film strip produced by a feminine hygiene products company.)

In the meantime, if you have five minutes, let's try to save this woman's job.

Again, the teacher's name is Ms. McGee.

The phone number to the school district is 469/633-6050

The fax number to the district is 469-633-6050

Here's the school board. Nice to read their complaint regulations. I'm sure that they are already getting pounded with them: http://www.friscoisd.org/inside/board.htm#

Julie