latest in men's war against women

[donsu]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2374100,00.html


Women's rights campaigner shot dead in Afghanistan


A senior women's affairs official who has criticised the Taleban's treatment of women was shot dead outside her home in southern Afghanistan today.

Safia Ama Jan was getting into a car outside her house in the city of Kandahar when two gunmen on motorcycles opened fire.

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Mrs Ama Jan had worked as the provincial director of Afghanistan's Ministry of Women's Affairs since the Taleban were overthrown five years ago. She may have been targeted for her opposition to the Islamic extremists' attempts to limit women's involvement in politics and education.

As a well known women rights campaigner, she was aware that she was vulnerable to attack and had asked for official transport and personal bodyguards. The Afghan Government rejected these requests. It is thought that she was getting into a taxi on her way to work when she was killed.
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another woman will take her place because we women are more then half of the human population. and we will not stop striving for justice.

[Coexist]

1. "She was wearing a burqa when she was shot."

:-(

[no_hypocrisy]

4. It's not so much what you wear, but your promotion of civil rights

for women that makes you a target in Afghanistan.

[Crazy Dave]

2. Even in the so-called "evil Iran"

Women are allowed to vote and run for office.

[bryant69]

3. Title is pretty inflametory

I don't know -I guess as a man I should be happy to see an uppity woman shot down, but as a person, I can't help feeling disgusted an angry at this murder in Afghanistan.

I suppose one needs to consider whether one is an individual or a category.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[donsu]

6. guess you said it all:

"I don't know -I guess as a man I should be happy to see an uppity woman shot down, but as a person, I can't help feeling disgusted an angry at this murder in Afghanistan."


apparently a 'man' can be seperated from his 'person'

so 'man' is a construct?

[WinkyDink]

11. "[A]s a man [you] SHOULD be glad..."?? Where did THIS construct

originate??

[bryant69]

20. men's war against women - the title of the post

If men are at war with women - shouldn't i be happy when men do well?

Of course this is deliberately missing the point of my post which had to do with categories verses individuals.

[wtmusic]

9. You resent being lumped together with "Taliban men"?

Can't see why...

[bryant69]

19. You added a word there didn't you?

There's nothing in the original title about the taliban.

[catnhatnh]

5. Would you title a piece on George Allen....

"The latest in white's war against minorities"??? Your title is equally as provocative and unfair.

[donsu]

7. it's not provocative, it's a world known fact

nt

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[catnhatnh]

14. Where have I been???

US Army 72-73....Twice married,5 children, 4 daughters...living in a "minority" area of a white bread city '78-'80 and '86-'90...8 grandchildren 5 grand daughters, 2 of them 1/4 black...
In short, I have "consorted" with both minorities and females and actually have a vested interest (grand daughters) in the protection of both.It doesn't ameliorate my position-your post title IS inflamitory...

[The2ndWheel]

10. I'm in a what with who?

Here I was trying to get women to like me like me. All this time, I knew I was doing something wrong, but couldn't put my finger on it. You heard me.

[melody]

12. That's not men's war against women

It's one sociopath's war against women (or a woman). The degree to which the Taliban is also sociopathic
is a failure of individuals, not of all men.

[IChing]

13. I'm offended by the title the OP choose and revolted by the act

of religious extremist.

[Sterling]

15. Yes a very poor title

Someone has some "issues" they need to work out. It must be terrible to imagine an entire gender is out to get you.

[catnhatnh]

16. Yep, next reply from original poster.....

..."See how vicious men are?" coming up in-wait for it- 5-4-3-2-1....

[donsu]

17. imagination has nothing to do with world wide facts on the injustice

practiced on women and children

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. Speaking of facts.

How many men were killed in Afghanistan today?

[TahitiNut]

34. Doesn't matter ... they were just "human shields"

:sarcasm:

[Hidden Stillness]

18. Yes, It Is a War Against Us

Why is it that every time anyone dares to refer to male bigotry and organized oppression of women, there is little other than vindictive attack, the same phony "you're so unfair; you're tarring us all with the same brush" routine (sometimes ending with, "there's no bigotry against you, you bitch"), and this pretense that every single incident is somehow independent and unconnected to the rest of the pattern. Every single rape-murder lynching of a woman or girl is "personal," or they give the old "mental illness" excuse. They are deranged sociopaths, even though there is no evidence of it, and the act of murdering the "uppity feminist" is often cheered by many others there--are they all psychopaths? Remember the "Montreal Massacre," where the male mass-murderer said, "You're all a bunch of fucking feminists!" before murdering them? It is the result of a pattern of hateful thinking, which was taught and learned, not psychopathology.

A whole world of males paying women half of what they pay other males, and not promoting them--but that is all "individual" and "personal" too, right? Dare to mention their bigotry, and all you get is a group attack of hypocrites, no awareness or admitting of facts, until finally, I assume, the thread is over when the uppity woman has been made to apologize for daring to refer to the structures of things, rather than pretending we are "all free and equal," and that some of us do not block others of us. Remember also, do not refer to male violent oppression of us--convert all titles to "religious 'fundy' "--that's the way the censorship game is played here. "Male bigotry? What? I never heard of it."

[ComerPerro]

22. You know, lots of men fight for womens' rights

but people like you sometimes make us wonder why be bother.

[Hidden Stillness]

25. "People Like You" is "Not" Bigotry

Oh, I am so put in my place! If all it takes for you to, what, stop being an egalitarian or equal-rights democrat, is to meet up with an independant perspective in the world, then, gee let me guess, you were not particularly our friend to begin with. You stop having your entire philosophy "because" a woman did not only cheer you and all you do? That is obvious hypocrisy, and doesn't even make sense.

[ComerPerro]

27. get over yourself.

you have the audacity to insult ALL men, everywhere, and then wonder why people get pissed at you or take offense?

[Hidden Stillness]

30. Please Learn to Read

Actually, all I referred to were male bigots. It is not my fault if you found yourself there.

[Nickster]

32. Horse Hockey! If you feel so strongly about it, at least admit what you

really think. You made it quite clear in your post.

[ComerPerro]

35. Actually, you implictly called all males bigots

And I think you meant to do it.


"Dare to mention their bigotry, and all you get is a group attack of hypocrites, no awareness or admitting of facts"


In that breathtaking statement, you not only called us hypocrites, but you impled that we were bigots who couldn't even see our own hatred of women

[The2ndWheel]

26. Then attack the system

Not just men in general. I have no power to do anything. I hold nothing over women. I wouldn't want to. Women want the world? Have at it. Good luck.

[Hidden Stillness]

28. Question

Please explain how there is a "system," apart from the people who populate it? Thank you.

[wtmusic]

31. Fine, then attack all the people who populate it, with your broad brush

Go for it. See where it gets you (isn't that kinda what Taliban men do?) :shrug:

[catnhatnh]

33. Being a normal heterosexual male....

...I am certain I have some amount of societally induced homophobia. Listening to you makes me want to overcome it.

[Marnieworld]

21. wonder why they don't use assassination to describe it?

It's clearly a direct hit on her for her political role. I guess things aren't going as "swimmingly" as some would think.

[StraightDope]

24. Nice misleading headline ya got there...

Because, y'know, having a penis, I just want to make war on anyone who doesn't.

:sarcasm:

[Totallybushed]

29. Hey!

Don't blame men. Don't blame Islam, either. Both are stereotyping.

[Odin2005]

36. That title is inflamatory and offensive.

I am sick of being grouped with mysigonist morons by man-haters simply because I have a Y chromosome.

[Moderator]

37. Locking

This is sexist.