IT.IS.ALL.CLINTON'S. FAULT.

[GeorgeGist]

He didn't do Bush's job for him...and now he wants the credit.

[BootinUp]

1. Not just Bush

You could probably add a bunch of Democrats as well.

[BluePatriot]

2. Remember, when the facts are not on your side...

Clenis! Clenis! Clenis!

*argh*

[ComerPerro]

3. Even though my dog was 15 and in declining health

I remain convinced that Bill Clinton killed him as part of a massive conspiracy.

[razors edge]

4. Well,

If bill had prosecuted the Iran-Contra issues, no bush would have got within a mile of the WH.

:hurts:

[SammyWinstonJack]

5. So it really is all Clinton's fault then.

:eyes: And I'll just bet he would have gotten real far with that, with a republican controlled Congress. :crazy:

[razors edge]

6. the republicans controlled the congress when bill was elected?

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. They took over in 1994. Investigations take time and I am sure that

the republican controlled Congress would have squashed any investigations started right before they gained power. But hey blame Clinton, it's all the rage.

[razors edge]

8. exactly, so i don't understand what you meant

about clinton not getting far with an investigation that was already underway before 1994, and may even have stopped the loss of the house in 1994.

I don't blame bill for shit, just sayin hindsight is 20/20.

[adduco]

9. Please don't make Clinton a standard-bearer for our party

Yes, it was fun watching Clinton take apart Faux.. that's always enjoyable. But please avoid the temptation to follow Bill Clinton in any way.

His wing of the party has done far more harm than good.

The damage Clinton did in one year (98) was significant and destructive. Not the Lewisnky non-sense, but the senseless killing of innocents in Sudan, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosovo, and especially Iraq, with his bombings, and the sanctions (500,000 child killed during the 90's) that destroyed real lives.


See for yourself what the standard-bearer intelligence (IMHO) says:



http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1998/12/parrish2.html




http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1999/01/iraqicasualties.html


http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1999/04/iraq.html



http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9808/22/air.strikes.follow/


more
http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/sudbous.htm
http://www.sinkers.org/sudan-afghan_demo/



Follow the Kucinich model.

[adduco]

10. anyone??

[razors edge]

11. Thanks for your response

I hope you don't take me the wrong way, but I don't type well, or fast. a skill never needed in my life, and still not a priority. This disability of sorts, makes it sometimes difficult to convey the meaning of my sentiments. I am by no means enamored by the sudden new found self indignation of bill.

I follow no model, and while I respect and admire Kucinich, I also have as much respect and admiration for Ron Paul. Both men of integrity, and while Paul may strike many here as a representative who cares not for the welfare of the poor, or any other progressive concern for that matter, I think we short change ourselves with that type of thinking.

Before you think me a libertarian nut job here me out. There are some ideals of the libertarians I support in theory, but for the most part I support a progressive approach to politics. That said I think we need to keep in mind what we are up against as a country, that being many who oppose the liberals as they are portrayed in the corporate media. The majority of swing votes who side time and time again with the republicans do so because they are indoctrinated by self-interested, corporate controlled and media supported thieves with no concept of the conservative values they claim to support. They are pawns of the conservative agenda.

I consider these voters lazy in their evaluation of issues. Lemmings, followers etc.

They will always look for someone to support their basic concepts, that being, anyone who opposes welfare of any type, supports a minority with legislation, and doesn't wave a US flag while pissing on the UN. That doesn't leave them many options does it?

There are many here who flip back and forth in support of McCain, Spector and others only to watch those hopes dashed like we have seen time and again. Same goes with some Democrats, but we will support them without question.?

I don't have all the answers but I understand the questions, I find it somewhat ironic that the liberals can find a way to work out problems with everyone but our own countrymen. If the conservatives need a place to reside a few steps away, such as a more libertarian view, why don't we support that as an alternative to the fascist views of corporative corruption?

I think the progressive argument stands a better chance debating an ideology of respect, than one that prefers obliteration of disenting views.

just my worthless opinion.

[Holly_Hobby]

12. Bill was MAN enough to admit he tried and failed

Bush can't even admit he picks his nose.

[razors edge]

13. absolutely, thats the real problem. n/t

[TahitiNut]

14. Junior is an heirhead.

He's not supposed to have to actually WORK for his 'legacy'!! He's supposed to INHERIT it!!