GOP rejects motion to discuss terrorism

[sabbat hunter]

The GOP-controlled House has rejected a Democratic motion for a rare closed session to discuss intelligence on terrorism.


breaking story on cnn.com

note to admins the offical title was too long for subject box, I included it in the first line of the post.



what is the GOP afraid of? why wont they go into closed session to discuss the intelligence?

[liberal N proud]

1. So we should frame this: GOP soft on terrorism

If they can't talk about it on the floor of the house, they must be soft.

[Dinger]

2. I Just Posted This In GD (nt)

[lgn19087]

3. Too soon to say

I think its clear that this all revolves around that document...the anti-Bush parts were leaked, now Bush wants to release the parts that make him look good, and for some reason that freaked out Pelosi. I don't really understand why. When we see the contents of the document, it should become clearer.

[BOSSHOG]

4. Highly unlikely there are any "parts"

that make bush look good. What would they be? Only 2,700 soldiers killed so far? Terrorism confined to planet earth? Regardless of the truth and data in this report conservatives will view it as a pat on the back to the monster who brought you this war? And we won't see the "contents" of the report. It will only partially be redacted. It is as Colonel Jessup said on a Few Good Men - "Crystal Clear" right now. bush's war on Iraq has been fertilizer to terrorism (as stated by Keith Olbermann.) And another thing that should be crystal clear by now, bush and his gang of criminals know nothing of foreign policy, are thugs and cowards and do not have the welfare of our country in mind.

[lgn19087]

5. I don't think thats a good analysis

If there were no parts that made Bush look good, why release it? Why not weather the storm and hope it fades before November? This story would have disappeared from the news cycle in a few days, why reopen the can of worms? If there was nothing in there that made him look good, there's no reason for him to declasify it.

[BOSSHOG]

6. Cherry Picking

bit and pieces to make him look good to his base. He and his gang know things aren't going well. The goal is to preserve the base not convince evil liberals that he isn't the monster they know he is. And his base is easily manipulated. "See bush will release the report and rush and sean will get the truth out to the country." They are all lying morons, finally understanding that they are trapped in their lies. So what to do, share more lies and disinformation. And as a former security officer in the USN, I find it extremely treasonous to classify and declassify on political whims.

[lgn19087]

7. Exactly

He will indeed cherry pick the parts that make him look the best. And the worst thing is, the crazies will believe him too. As a former security officer in the USN, did you complain when this report was first leaked? This whole thing makes me angry...if its a classified document, then don't leak it. I dont know...I guess I've been burned too many times when information about my business got out...

[gratuitous]

8. Except that your business is just that -- your business

The invasion of Iraq and the ongoing clusterfuck going on over there isn't just some private deal gone awry, and now the guy who got chumped is looking to avoid embarrassment. This is a public caper, prosecuted with public money, using the public's military personnel and hardware. This isn't a bad quarterly report that the CEO would like to keep from his board of directors; this is of vital importance to the taxpayers of the United States. Are we entitled to know what we've gotten for the billions of dollars and thousands of lives we've spent or aren't we?

And this NIE, remember, is from April -- five months ago. During the last five months, the Bush administration has had its mouthpieces and minions out on the talk shows and the cable circuit trumpeting the one bit of good news they've been able to cull from this report: That we're "safer, but not yet safe." Well, after all this time, all this money, all these lives, it would be damning indeed if we hadn't gotten at least one scintilla "safer" than we were on September 11, 2001. That would take rare inccompetence, indeed.

But are we, the folks footing the bill for all this, getting anywhere near our money's worth? Congress seems totally uninterested in the question. The Bush administration hides all its research and reporting on the question behind the national security veil. But considering Bush's penchant for classifying anything even remotely embarrassing, and its political game-playing with very serious issues, it's impossible to trust them any longer.

If you invested in a business built on fraud that was taking people for all they were worth, wouldn't you want the SEC to do its job and protect investors?

[BOSSHOG]

9. I had no idea

who leaked it when it was "first leaked." However, there is no doubt in anybody's mind who is declassifying it and why it is being declassified. The sad end result of all this leaking and declassifying bullshit is the utter lack of integrity of the classification system. Is a document classified or not? Classification should not be used by politicians to cover up what they don't want the public to know (such acts breed leakers) and declassify info they think will make them look good. Such politicians ought to be tried for treason, found guilty, blindfolded and shot right next to those who leaked legitimately classified (parts of) documents.

george bush has made a mockery of the system. He is without a doubt the worst president ever and now must depend on the religiously insane in this country for any semblance of support.

[lgn19087]

10. My point is

we can't have it both ways. We can't celebrate when some clown leaks some damaging anti-rethug matieral but cry murder when Bush does the same. If we don't want things declassified by the President, then we can't want things "declassified" by others.

[BOSSHOG]

11. Did I not say

shoot them all? And who is "we?" This administration cares nothing of document integrity. They only care of one thing, their political asses. If parts of a document are leaked, the response should not be to release more of it, if it is legitimately classified. The response should be to search out the leaker(s.) Believe it or not there are mechanisms in place to bring those to justice. bush and his crew have deligitimized the entire process. A skeptical veteran like myself might think that their actions are intentional.

And "others" don't declassify anything. They leak classified information. That's a crime.

[lgn19087]

13. That is why I put "declassified" in quotes

I agree with you wholehartedly. I may have missed them, but I didn't hear the chorus of citizens concerned about the earlier leaking that I hear now.

[BOSSHOG]

14. Hold on Buckeroo

"Earlier?" I knew nothing of the leaks relative to the war generating more terror except during the past few days. This report was generated in April and the leaks occurred very recently. And I doubt you are "hearing" anything except from me. This is classic "conservative" obfuscation. Are you a part of this nonsense with craftily worded posts? bush is a fucking monster. Period. A lying, deserting, corporate criminal monster; supported by those who want to destroy the constitution. Agree??

[fshrink]

12. Might as well ask for a session to discuss Vietnam.