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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:21 PM
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Declassified Key Judgments of NIE link--George Bush length--3 pages!
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 04:22 PM by flpoljunkie
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:22 PM
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1. Link didn't work for me. n/t
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:23 PM
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3. Try it again. It takes a little time.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:46 PM
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23. It doesn't work
for me, either.
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:23 PM
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2. Do you think they put up more than they should have? n/t
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:39 PM
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18. "If this trend continues, threats to US interests at home and abroad will
become more diverse, leading to increasing attacks worldwide."

Translated: If we don't clean up Bush's mess in Iraq, we are indeed in deep doo doo, so we must not "cut and run!" Actually, we need to "change the course" not "stay the course"--redeploy our troops out of Bagdad and environs and give up control of Iraq's oil. This, for starters, in the Middle East.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:25 PM
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4. What is a "George Bush length"?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:26 PM
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7. nevermind, was going to make a bad pun but it's best not to go there
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:30 PM
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12. The distance btwn his ass and his head that is so small it's
unmeasurable.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:34 PM
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16. He prefer his reports no longer than 1 1/2 to 2 pages, it's been reported.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:26 PM
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5. i got it in text format
can i post it in here?
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:27 PM
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8. Sure you can post it in full if you want. Hell, you bought it.
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 04:28 PM by Texas Explorer
No copyright on government documents.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:29 PM
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10. okay. here goes.
Declassified Key Judgments of the National
Intelligence Estimate ?Trends in Global Terrorism:
Implications for the United States? dated April 2006

Key Judgments

United States-led counterterrorism efforts have seriously damaged the leadership of
al-Qa’ida and disrupted its operations; however, we judge that al-Qa’ida will continue to
pose the greatest threat to the Homeland and US interests abroad by a single terrorist
organization. We also assess that the global jihadist movement—which includes al-
Qa’ida, affiliated and independent terrorist groups, and emerging networks and cells—is
spreading and adapting to counterterrorism efforts.
• Although we cannot measure the extent of the spread with precision, a large body
of all-source reporting indicates that activists identifying themselves as jihadists,
although a small percentage of Muslims, are increasing in both number and
geographic dispersion.
• If this trend continues, threats to US interests at home and abroad will become
more diverse, leading to increasing attacks worldwide.
• Greater pluralism and more responsive political systems in Muslim majority
nations would alleviate some of the grievances jihadists exploit. Over time, such
progress, together with sustained, multifaceted programs targeting the
vulnerabilities of the jihadist movement and continued pressure on al-Qa’ida,
could erode support for the jihadists.

We assess that the global jihadist movement is decentralized, lacks a coherent global
strategy, and is becoming more diffuse. New jihadist networks and cells, with anti-
American agendas, are increasingly likely to emerge. The confluence of shared purpose
and dispersed actors will make it harder to find and undermine jihadist groups.

• We assess that the operational threat from self-radicalized cells will grow in
importance to US counterterrorism efforts, particularly abroad but also in the
Homeland.

• The jihadists regard Europe as an important venue for attacking Western interests.
Extremist networks inside the extensive Muslim diasporas in Europe facilitate
recruitment and staging for urban attacks, as illustrated by the 2004 Madrid and
2005 London bombings.

We assess that the Iraq jihad is shaping a new generation of terrorist leaders and
operatives; perceived jihadist success there would inspire more fighters to continue the
struggle elsewhere.

• The Iraq conflict has become the ?cause celebre? for jihadists, breeding a deep
resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for
the global jihadist movement. Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves,
and be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry
on the fight.

We assess that the underlying factors fueling the spread of the movement outweigh its
vulnerabilities and are likely to do so for the duration of the timeframe of this Estimate.

• Four underlying factors are fueling the spread of the jihadist movement: (1)
Entrenched grievances, such as corruption, injustice, and fear of Western
domination, leading to anger, humiliation, and a sense of powerlessness; (2) the
Iraq ?jihad;? (3) the slow pace of real and sustained economic, social, and
political reforms in many Muslim majority nations; and (4) pervasive anti-US
sentiment among most Muslims?all of which jihadists exploit.

Concomitant vulnerabilities in the jihadist movement have emerged that, if fully exposed
and exploited, could begin to slow the spread of the movement. They include
dependence on the continuation of Muslim-related conflicts, the limited appeal of the
jihadists? radical ideology, the emergence of respected voices of moderation, and
criticism of the violent tactics employed against mostly Muslim citizens.

• The jihadists? greatest vulnerability is that their ultimate political solution?an
ultra-conservative interpretation of shari?a-based governance spanning the
Muslim world?is unpopular with the vast majority of Muslims. Exposing the
religious and political straitjacket that is implied by the jihadists? propaganda
would help to divide them from the audiences they seek to persuade.

• Recent condemnations of violence and extremist religious interpretations by a few
notable Muslim clerics signal a trend that could facilitate the growth of a
constructive alternative to jihadist ideology: peaceful political activism. This also
could lead to the consistent and dynamic participation of broader Muslim
communities in rejecting violence, reducing the ability of radicals to capitalize on
passive community support. In this way, the Muslim mainstream emerges as the
most powerful weapon in the war on terror.

• Countering the spread of the jihadist movement will require coordinated
multilateral efforts that go well beyond operations to capture or kill terrorist
leaders.

If democratic reform efforts in Muslim majority nations progress over the next five years,
political participation probably would drive a wedge between intransigent extremists and
groups willing to use the political process to achieve their local objectives. Nonetheless,
attendant reforms and potentially destabilizing transitions will create new opportunities
for jihadists to exploit.

Al-Qa’ida, now merged with Abu Mus’ab al-Zarqawi’s network, is exploiting the
situation in Iraq to attract new recruits and donors and to maintain its leadership role.

• The loss of key leaders, particularly Usama Bin Ladin, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and
al-Zarqawi, in rapid succession, probably would cause the group to fracture into
smaller groups. Although like-minded individuals would endeavor to carry on the
mission, the loss of these key leaders would exacerbate strains and disagreements.
We assess that the resulting splinter groups would, at least for a time, pose a less
serious threat to US interests than does al-Qa?ida.

• Should al-Zarqawi continue to evade capture and scale back attacks against
Muslims, we assess he could broaden his popular appeal and present a global
threat.

• The increased role of Iraqis in managing the operations of al-Qa?ida in Iraq might
lead veteran foreign jihadists to focus their efforts on external operations.

Other affiliated Sunni extremist organizations, such as Jemaah Islamiya, Ansar al-
Sunnah, and several North African groups, unless countered, are likely to expand their
reach and become more capable of multiple and/or mass-casualty attacks outside their
traditional areas of operation.

• We assess that such groups pose less of a danger to the Homeland than does al-
Qa?ida but will pose varying degrees of threat to our allies and to US interests
abroad. The focus of their attacks is likely to ebb and flow between local regime
targets and regional or global ones.

We judge that most jihadist groups?both well-known and newly formed?will use
improvised explosive devices and suicide attacks focused primarily on soft targets to
implement their asymmetric warfare strategy, and that they will attempt to conduct
sustained terrorist attacks in urban environments. Fighters with experience in Iraq are a
potential source of leadership for jihadists pursuing these tactics.

• CBRN capabilities will continue to be sought by jihadist groups.

While Iran, and to a lesser extent Syria, remain the most active state sponsors of
terrorism, many other states will be unable to prevent territory or resources from being
exploited by terrorists.

Anti-US and anti-globalization sentiment is on the rise and fueling other radical
ideologies. This could prompt some leftist, nationalist, or separatist groups to adopt
terrorist methods to attack US interests. The radicalization process is occurring more
quickly, more widely, and more anonymously in the Internet age, raising the likelihood of
surprise attacks by unknown groups whose members and supporters may be difficult to
pinpoint.

• We judge that groups of all stripes will increasingly use the Internet to
communicate, propagandize, recruit, train, and obtain logistical and financial
support.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:31 PM
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13. They had to 'pay' more than 1 idiot for that
Golly gee, i coulda written that any old year in the past few, and THAT is
the result of the pinnacle of 100000's man hours intelligence... oh, dear.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:34 PM
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15. the original is over 30 pages
they cherry picked declassified the parts that made bushco look good.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:41 PM
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20. I've looked at it pretty closely and it sure doesn't seem exculpatory
to me...???

Seems to say about the same thing we've been hearing. Maybe somebody fucked up and released the 'redacted' part?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:06 PM
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26. hell, I don't know
Maybe "good" is the wrong word. But they sure redacted the hell out of it.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:13 PM
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27. No.
The administration considers this the least damaging part that they can release. Apparently, besides the larger NIE this comes from, there is a second "draft" that the democrats want released.

This is not going to help the administration. It not only shows that Bush is wrong on many issues, it shows that he is dishonest when discussing it with the public.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:46 PM
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22. 1 graduate student, 1 week
Why are we paying more? ..redacted or no.
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habitual Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:26 PM
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6. was it meant to be shown all along?
is rove sitting back in his chair smoking a cigar saying 'gotcha'?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:29 PM
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11. Gotcha? It affirms Iraq screwed things up. And also, is this "THE" NIE
that was referred to recently or an old one?
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habitual Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:33 PM
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14. i thought the one refered to recently was from April 2006? n/t
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The Deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:28 PM
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9. Out Of Date
It refers to al Zarqawi, dead these two months. The bastards are playing at something.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:05 PM
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25. al Zarqawi references prove this was done in haste
this is desparation of some kind. Definitely a very sloppy political maneuver.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:37 PM
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17. Whora O'dickhead (MSGOP) just said that the report CONFIRMS
that the situation is worse and that Americans are LESS safe, based on the text of the NIE report just released.

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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:41 PM
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19. That's Pretty Amazing That They Are Reporting The Truth
I'm shocked.

I just read what was released, and it's NOT good for Bushco. It does indeed confirm that the war has made the situation worse.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:15 PM
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28. And it shows
that the president is either purposely lying to the public, or so subjective that he is incapable of recognizing the truth.

The administration has crossed too many people. The chickens are coming home to roost.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:41 PM
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21. NOTE: This has been DOUBLE CLEANSED -- 1st for Bush, 2nd for Public
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 04:53 PM
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24. If That's True, Then They Did A Bad Job Because It's Damning
I can only imagine how much worse it was before the cleansing.
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