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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:25 PM
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Libby Pre-trial Hearing (9-27)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060926/ap_on_go_ot/cia_leak_1

The above link is to a Yahoo!News story, "Judge to weigh evidence in CIA leak case." Last week, some people were discouraged by reports on a ruling Judge Walton made. This article might have people thinking the case is in trouble. I think that by next week, everyone on our side is going to be feeling a little better.

The article mentions that Mr. Fitzgerald filed papers late yesterday. I am hoping we can get a link to them.

I think it is interesting that the president accused people of trying to use the "new" NIE for political purposes. It has me humming Lennon's classic "Instant Karma."
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:28 PM
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1. It's also interesting that Libby is using negligence as an excuse.
Par for the course, of course of course. To wit:

"Libby wants to use the daily intelligence briefings and terrorism threat assessments as evidence to show he had important things on his mind and honestly didn't remember details about his conversations with reporters."
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:31 PM
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2. Pretty crappy excuse for a lawyer
and a legal advisor to the VP and President. Those guys are suppose to have memories like steel lockboxes and they have no excuse when it comes to understand the law.

Reminds me of John Mitchell, Attorney General under Nixon who couldn't remember whether or not he went to the bathroom the day before when he was under questioning. His testimony consisted of not much more then 'I can't remember' or 'I don't recall'. I just remember thinking this asshole is the AG of the US? Give me a break.



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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:34 PM
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3. It's their m.o.
NEVER admit guilt. Simply state you "don't recall" and that is considered the truth. It's a mockery of our judicial system by those who are "elected" and appointed to protect the judicial system. I do hope their little walls come crashing down around them...soon!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:34 PM
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4. Yet
Mitchell seems somehow less repulsive when compared to these guys.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:37 PM
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6. As does Nixon.
I can almost forgive Ford for the pardon given our current crisis.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:41 PM
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7. While Nixon
was a creep, he had a somewhat decent side. And he was intelligent. I am not aware of any shred of deceny or intelligence to be found in Bush.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:45 PM
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9. I've yet to see any either.
All I see is a smirking, spoiled kid whose time for a trip to the woodshed is long overdue.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:52 PM
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11. Nixon was his own worse enemy
If he wasn't so paranoid he could have been a truly great leader. Too bad he got hooked up with Kissinger. Now there's a major wacko.

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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:36 PM
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5. calling stop the bleeding
:)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:42 PM
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8. Yep!
Looking forward to reading it!
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:34 AM
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32. FILINGS
I could not get them to save to my computer - so I copied it and pasted it straight into here, I hope that this works, still scratching head as to why it will not let me save the PDF to the computer. This thread may be added just in this form to the Plame Filings in the DU Research Forum - looking forward to everyone's thoughts as usual


THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA )
) CR. NO. 05-394 (RBW)
v. ))
I. LEWIS LIBBY, )
also known as Scooter Libby )
GOVERNMENT’S RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT’S
MEMORANDUM CONCERNING ADMISSIBILITY OF DOCUMENTS
ON DEFENDANT’S CONSOLIDATED § 5 NOTICE

The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, by its attorney, PATRICK J. FITZGERALD, Special
Counsel, respectfully submits the following Response to Defendant’s Memorandum Concerning
Admissibility of Documents on Defendant’s Consolidated CIPA § 5 Notice.

BACKGROUND

In advance of the CIPA § 6(a) hearing scheduled for September 27, 2006, this Court inquired
whether, and to what extent, defendant expected to disclose classified information through the
introduction of documents, rather than trial testimony, and if defendant seeks to introduce
documents, how hearsay objections would be overcome. Defendant filed a written memorandum
in response to the Court’s inquiries on September 22, 2006.

In his memorandum, defendant stated that most of the classified documents he would seek
to introduce would be offered as evidence of the defendant’s state of mind, rather than for the truth
of the matters asserted therein. Def.’s Mem. at 5-6, 7, 8. Defendant asserted that any documents (or
portions of documents) that he offered for their truth would be admissible as business records,
agency records, present sense impressions, and past recollection recorded, under Rules 803(6),
803(8)(A), 803(1), and 803(5) of the Federal Rules of Evidence.
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Of course, if the designated documents are offered solely for a non-hearsay purpose, Fed. R.
Evid. 801©, then the government will have no hearsay objection; however, it may still object to the
admission of the documents on relevancy, Rule 403, executive privilege, or any other applicable
grounds. With respect to documents offered for the truth of the matters asserted therein, the
government agrees in principle with some of the legal principles set forth in defendant’s
memorandum, but disagrees with others. As demonstrated below, the contents of the Presidential
Daily Briefs (PDBs) and Terrorist Threat Matrices (TTMs) do not fall within any of the hearsay
exceptions proposed by defendant, and thus would not be admissible for their truth, even if any of
them were deemed relevant and not unfairly prejudicial. In contrast, information contained in
defendant’s notes likely will qualify as present sense impressions or past recollection recorded
(assuming the proper foundation is established) and thus hearsay objections to their admission will
usually be overcome, even though the notes do not, as defendant contends, qualify as business
records or a records of a public agency. Finally, documents related to the Wilson controversy may,
on a document-by-document basis, be admitted if they satisfy the requirements of one or more
hearsay exceptions or are admissible for a limited purpose.

Because all of the designated documents – whether offered for the limited purpose of
establishing defendant’s state of mind, or for the truth of statements contained herein – must meet
the requirements of Fed. R. Evid. 401 and 403, the first and most important issues to be determined
by this Court with respect to all of the designated documents are whether the documents are relevant
and whether their admission is likely to confuse, mislead or prejudice the jury, or to waste time.
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ARGUMENT
I. The PDBs/TTMs Are Neither Business Records Nor Public Reports.
Defendant disclaims a general intent to offer the PDBs and TTMs to prove the truth of the
matters asserted therein, Def.’s Mem. at 6, but argues in the alternative that, “if we were to offer the
. . . materials for their truth,” the PDBs and TTMs are admissible as business records under 803(6)
and public records under 803(8), Def.’s Mem. at 7. Setting aside seriously questions of relevance,
unfair prejudice, and other potential objections, and presidential privilege concerns, the PDBs and
TTMs qualify for neither the business record nor the public agency record exception to the hearsay
rule. Fed. R. Evid. 803(6) provides a hearsay exception for the following:

A memorandum, report, record, or data compilation, in any form, of acts, events, conditions,
opinions, or diagnoses, made at or near the time by, or from information transmitted by, a
person with knowledge, if kept in the course of a regularly conducted business activity, and
if it was the regular practice of that business activity to make the memorandum, report,
record or data compilation, all as shown by the testimony of the custodian or other qualified
witness . . . unless the source of information or the method or circumstances of preparation
indicate lack of trustworthiness. The term “business” as used in this paragraph includes
business, institution, association, profession, occupation, and calling of every kind, whether
or not conducted for profit.

Fed. R. Evid. 803(6) (emphasis added). Under this rule, a fundamental requirement is that the maker
have knowledge of the information contained in the record, and that the record is made in the regular
course of the business’s activities. Thus, defendant must account for all sources of information
contained in the purported business record, including information that does not come from the
business. United States v. Patrick, 959 F.2d 991, 1000-02 (D.C. Cir. 1996). In Patrick, the court
looked to the requirement of Rule 803(6) that the information come from “a person with knowledge”
and found error in the admission of a receipt from a business (offered to prove that the defendant
lived at a particular address) because the government failed to establish that the business took some
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steps to verify the address information provided to it by a customer (presumably the defendant). See
also United States v. Baker, 693 F.2d 183, 188 (D.C. Cir. 1982); United States v. Warren, 42 F3d
647, 656-57 (D.C. Cir 1995 (“each participant in the chain producing the record – from the initial
observer-reporter to the final entrant – must be acting in the course of the regularly conducted
business”) (citation omitted); United States v. David, 96 F.3d 1477, 1481-82 (D.C. Cir. 1996)
(government satisfied verification requirement by showing that the business employee compared
signature on the paperwork with the customer’s drivers license). In the case of the PDBs and TTMs,
there is no doubt that they are compilations of information received from multiple sources, some of
whom are outside the United States government, and may even be trying to deceive the government.
Thus, defendant cannot account for the knowledge or practices of the sources of the underlying
information contained in the PDBs and TTMs, and these documents do not satisfy the requirements
of 803(6).

Nor do the PDBs or TTMs constitute public records under Rule 803(8)(A), as defendant
contends. Rule 803(8)(A) provides:

Records, reports, statements, or data compilations, in any form, of public offices or agencies,
setting forth (A) the activities of the office or agency . . . .
Fed. R. Evid. 803(8)(A). The PDBs and TTMs do not set forth the “activities” of the agency that
compiles them, but rather reflect multiple sources of information, including, ultimately, sources
outside the government. The “activities” contemplated by Rule 803(8)(A) include such matters as
“Treasury records of miscellaneous receipts and disbursements,” Fed. R. Evid. 803(8), 1972
Advisory Committee Notes, not the reporting of daily intelligence information from multiple
sources. In other words, the PDBs and TTMs do not set forth the agency’s own activities, but rather
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set forth the past and predicted activities of others outside, and at times hostile to, the government.
For this reason also, Rule 803(8)(A) does not apply to those intelligence briefing materials, and they
may not be admitted for the truth of the matter asserted therein.

II. Hearsay Objections to the Admission of Information Contained in Defendant’s Notes
May Be Overcome Under Certain Theories Proposed by Defendant, But Not Others.

Defendant argues that his notes may be offered for the truth of the matters asserted therein
as present sense impressions, past recollection recorded, business records and reports of a public
agency. As demonstrated below, while the government agrees that hearsay objections will not likely
serve as a substantial impediment to information contained in defendant’s notes, contrary to
defendant’s contention, defendant’s notes are neither business records nor records of public agency
and are not entitled to admission for their truth based on those exceptions to the hearsay rule.
The government agrees that, as a general rule, entries in defendant’s notes may often qualify
as present sense impressions and thus will not be excludable as hearsay. See Fed. R. Evid. 803(1),
which provides: “A statement describing or explaining an event or condition made while the
declarant was perceiving the event or condition, or immediately thereafter.” In order to fall within
this exception to the hearsay rule, three requirements must be met: (1) “he declarant must have
personally perceived the event described”; (2) “he declaration must be a simple explanation or
description of the event”; and (3) “he declaration and the event described must be
contemporaneous.” Weinstein’s Federal Evidence § 803.03<1>; see also United States v. Morrow,
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2005 WL 3163803, at *2 (D.D.C. June 9, 2005). It appears that much of the information contained 1
in defendant’s notes may meet these requirements.
As defendant acknowledges, in the case of notes that document “statements made by others”
in defendant’s presence, a “multiple hearsay” issue arises. In such cases, the notes may be admitted
to prove that a certain statement was made by a certain person (see Schuster v. Symmetricon, 2000
WL 33115909, at *2 (N.D. Cal. Aug. 1, 2000) (handwritten minutes of conversations were hearsay
because offered to prove that speakers “actually made the statements contained therein”)). However,
the notes may not be admitted to prove the truth of the statement itself in the absence of an
independent basis for admission. See Fed. R. Evid . 805 (hearsay within hearsay is admissible if it
meets an exception to the hearsay rule). Defendant asserts that he intends to offer his notes only as
proof that certain statements were made by certain people in his presence, but not for the truth of the
statements themselves. Def.’s Mem. at 5-6 (“statements of others reflected in Mr. Libby’s notes will
not be offered for the truth of the matters asserted.”). Based on this limitation, any “secondary”
hearsay problem is eliminated.
As defendant suggests, certain designated documents, including notes of the defendant, may
be admissible for their truth as past recollection recorded under Rule 803(5), which provides:

1Present sense impressions are limited to factual description of what was observed through
the senses, and may not include subjective “interpretations and analyses of conversations.” In re:
Cirrus Logic Securities Litigation, 946 F. Supp. at 1469; Schuster, 2000 WL 33115909, at *2; see
also Brown v. Keane, 355 F.3d 82, 89 (2d Cir. 2004) (exception applies “only to reports of what the
declarant has actually observed through the senses, not to what the declarant merely conjectures” or
to “subject input” and interpretations); Schuster, 2000 WL 33115909, at *2 (exception does not
apply where notes reflect the declarant’s reactions to the conversations). See also Weinstein’s
Federal Evidence (2d ed. 2006) § 803.03<3> (“ statement evoked by an event that does not
describe or explain the event is not admissible as a present sense impression.”)
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A memorandum or record concerning a matter about which a witness once had knowledge
but now has insufficient recollection to enable the witness to testify fully and accurately,
shown to have been made or adopted by the witness when the matter was fresh in the
witness’ memory and to reflect that knowledge correctly. If admitted, the memorandum or
record may be read into evidence but may not itself be received as an exhibit unless offered
by an adverse party.

Fed. R. Evid. 803(5). Thus, if defendant establishes the proper foundation during his trial testimony,
he may be able to admit information contained in his notes for its truth. As discussed above, each
level of hearsay must qualify for a hearsay exception, so if the matter asserted (but now forgotten)
would itself be hearsay, defendant must establish an independent exception for that statement (for
example, the present sense impression exception defendant proposes for notes reporting what others
said). Additionally, Rule 803(5) authorizes the reading of the document, but not its admission as an
exhibit, unless offered by the government. Fed. R. Evid. 803(5) (“If admitted, the memorandum or
record may be read into evidence but may not itself be received as an exhibit unless offered by an
adverse party.”).

Contrary to defendant’s contention, defendant’s notes do not qualify as business records
under Fed. R. Evid. 803(6). Even assuming that the notes are offered by defendant only as a
memorialization of what defendant said or did, or what he heard someone else say or do, and not for
the truth of the statements, defendant’s notes do not qualify for a business records exception because
there is no reason to believe that defendant’s notes or note-taking was the regular practice of the
Office of the Vice President. In United States v. Ferber, 966 F.2d 90, 98-99 (D. Mass. 1997), which
defendant cited in support of his present sense impression exception argument, the trial court refused
to admit an e-mail sent by a Merrill Lynch employee to his boss reporting statements made to the
employee by the defendant. Although the government showed that it was the regular practice of the
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employee to send such e-mails, the court rejected the e-mail evidence because “there was no
sufficient evidence that Merrill Lynch required such records to be maintained. This was fatal to the
government’s proffer on this ground because, in order for a document to be admitted a business
record, there must be some evidence of a business duty to make and regularly maintain records of
this type.” Id. (emphasis added). The court went on to note that if the employee had such a practice
in his personal life, the outcome might be different, but, “Here, however, was under no
business duty to make and maintain the E-mail messages, and the evidence failed to show that
Merrill Lynch itself followed a such a routine.” Id.
Similarly, in New York v. Microsoft, the district court excluded an e-mail which purported
to describe a conversation and was authored by an employee of a Microsoft competitor,
RealNetworks. The proponent of the evidence failed to establish that it was the “‘regular practice’
of RealNetworks employees to write and maintain such emails.” 2002 WL 649951, at *2. In the
instant case, the evidence will show, the government believes, that defendant took the notes for his
own work purposes and not because the OVP generally required note-taking or that the regular
practice of OVP employees was to take notes for the OVP to rely upon. Indeed, much of defendant’s
notes are in a short-hand format that he alone used and that only those familiar with his particular
short-hand could decipher. Given that defendant’s notes were created solely for his own use, they
do not carry the indicia of trustworthiness carried by records used by businesses as a whole. New
York v. Microsoft, 2002 WL 649951, at *2 (D.D.C. April 12, 2002)(“The justification for this
exception is that business records have a high degree of accuracy because the nation’s business
demands it, because the records are customarily checked for correctness, and because recordkeepers
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are trained in habits of precision.”)(quoting United States v. Baker, 693 F.2d 183, 188 (D.C. Cir.
1982)).
Defendant’s notes also do not constitute a public record under Rule 803(8)(A). Defendant
does not offer facts that support a foundation that his personal notes constitute a record of “the
activities of the” OVP. He proffers no facts to establish that his personal notes – taken on his own
initiative, at his own discretion, in his own hand, in his own style, and for his own use in planning
and executing his duties – were records that set forth the activities of the OVP as an office or agency.
Defendant cites no case law that supports characterizing handwritten and personal notes of
an employee – even a high ranking employee – as a “public record” under Rule 803(8)(A). To the
contrary, courts have been reluctant to regard handwritten notes such as the ones authored by
defendant as public records. For example, in United States v. Patrick, 248 F.3d 11, 22 (1st Cir.
2001), the district court excluded from evidence certain handwritten notes found in police files that
recorded tips the police had received about who committed the charged murder. The defense theory
was that the police had not adequately investigated the murder, as evidenced by these notes, and that
the notes were not hearsay because they were not offered for their truth but rather for the inadequacy
of the police investigation of other possible suspects. The defense also argued that the police notes
were admissible as business records under 803(6) and 803(8). The court rejected these arguments,
noting first that where the notes contained information from informants who are not themselves part
of the business of police, such information is not admissible as an exception to the hearsay rule. Id.
As to the defendant’s public records argument, the court ruled, “Nor do police notes contain findings
of a public agency charged with making those findings, which would render the notes admissible
under Fed.R.Evid. 803(8).” Id.; see also United States v. Bishop, 264 F.3d 535, 548 (5th Cir. 2001)
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(IRS agents’ notes regarding meetings they had with the defendant were not public records:
“Personal notes made by an investigator such as an IRS agent are not ordinarily admissible because
they are hearsay. See Fed.R.Evid. 801©, 803(8)(B).”). Likewise, defendant’s notes are not public
records that set forth the OVP’s activities.

III. Admissibility of Wilson/Niger Case-Related Documents.
Lastly, defendant explains that, aside from documents pertaining solely to his memory or
preoccupation defense, there are two broad categories of documents that relate to the Wilsons and
the Niger controversy: (1) documents that defendant created or that defendant reviewed; and (2)
documents that were created or reviewed by other potential witnesses (but, presumably, not reviewed
by defendant). Def.’s Mem. at 7. Again, defendant states that he will generally not offer the
documents for the truth of the matters asserted therein. Def.’s Mem. at 7, 8. Of course, in those
instances, the documents are not hearsay and no hearsay exception is necessary, although the
government reserves its right to object to the documents (or portions thereof) on grounds other than
hearsay, for example, on the grounds that the matter is irrelevant, should be excluded under Rule
403, or implicates executive privilege. Furthermore, to the extent that defendant offers some of the
documents in an attempt to impeach other witnesses, see Def.’s Mem. at 8, the government may also
object on grounds that the documents are not a proper basis for impeachment (for example, if a
witness did not create, review, or adopt statements in a particular document), or are not admissible
as substantive evidence if used only for impeachment.
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CONCLUSION
The government respectfully requests that this Court apply the foregoing legal principles to
the evidentiary proffer to be made by the defendant at the upcoming § 5 hearing.
Respectfully submitted,

/s/
PATRICK J. FITZGERALD
Special Counsel
Office of the United States Attorney
Northern District of Illinois
219 South Dearborn Street
Chicago, Illinois 60604
(312) 353-5300
Dated: September 25, 2006
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CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
I, the undersigned, hereby certify that on this 25th day of September, 2006, I caused true and
correct copies of the foregoing to be served on the following parties by electronic mail:
William Jeffress, Esq.

Baker Botts
The Warner
1299 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20004-2400
Facsimile: 202-585-1087
Theodore V. Wells, Esq.
Paul Weiss
1285 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10019-6064
Facsimile: 212-373-2217
Joseph A. Tate, Esq.
Dechert LLP
4000 Bell Atlantic Tower
1717 Arch Street
Philadelphia, PA 19103-2793
Facsimile: 215-994-2222
John D. Cline, Esq.
Jones Day
555 California Street
San Francisco, CA 94104
Facsimile: 415-875-5700
Patrick J. Fitzgerald
Special Counsel
U.S. Department of Justice
1400 New York Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
202-514-1187
By: /s/
Debra Riggs Bonamici
Deputy Special Counsel



second set here

************************************************************************

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA )
) CR. NO 05-394 (RBW)
v. ))
I. LEWIS LIBBY, )
also known as “Scooter Libby” )

MOTION TO SEAL GOVERNMENT’S AMENDED CIPA SECTION 6(b)
NOTICE

The government hereby moves to seal the above-captioned filing because it refers
to classified information and documents.
Respectfully submitted,


/s/
Kathleen M. Kedian
Deputy Special Counsel
1400 New York Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20005
(202) 353-4473
Dated: September 26, 2006.
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA )
) CR. NO 05-394 (RBW)
v. ))
I. LEWIS LIBBY, )
also known as “Scooter Libby” )

ORDER

Upon consideration of the government’s Motion to Seal Government’s Amended CIPA
Section 6(b) Notice, it is hereby
ORDERED that the this pleading be placed under seal in the Court files.

Dated:

HON. REGGIE B. WALTON
UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE
Patrick J. Fitzgerald
Special Counsel
U.S. Department of Justice
10 & Constitution Ave., NW th
Washington, D.C. 20530
202-514-1187
Facsimile: 202-514-3003
William Jeffress, Esq.
Baker Botts
The Warner
1299 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20004-2400
Facsimile: 202-585-1087
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Theodore V. Wells, Esq.
Paul Weiss
1285 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10019-6064
Facsimile: 212-373-2217
Joseph A. Tate, Esq.
Dechert LLP
4000 Bell Atlantic Tower
1717 Arch Street
Philadelphia, PA 19103-2793
Facsimile: 215-994-2222
John D. Cline, Esq.
Jones Day
555 California Street
San Francisco, CA 94104
Facsimile: 415-875-5700
Case 1:05-cr-00394-RBW Document 148 Filed 09/26/2006 Page 3 of 4

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #32
33. Great!
Thank you.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #32
43. Excellent! And a Thank you
of Massive proportions! :yourock:

Fitzgerald really is GOOD! Libby has to offer proof that the docs are relevant. Must read more thoroughly now!
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #32
44. This Is Fabulous STB
Thanks So Very Much!

*shadow government*
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #32
48. Thank you!
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:51 PM
Response to Original message
10. Fitzgerald needs to be back in the news.
He's been awful quiet.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. I'm looking forward
to the newest document. I had heard that Document 145 in Case 1:05-cr-00394-RBW had been filed on Saturday, but that didn't make sense. It will be interesting to see what is on record.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:59 PM
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13. And I'll look forward to you or the other Plame experts to break it down.
:hi:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 06:02 PM
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14. It will need
to be coordinated with the latest report from the Patrick Fitzgerald Society & Fan Club.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 06:33 PM
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16. Hey girlie!
What happened to your link?

http://groups.msn.com/PatrickJ-FitzgeraldFanClub

:shrug:
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 10:07 PM
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26. It's working now!
MSN have these glitches every now and then. Stop by when you get a chance!
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:24 AM
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28. Excellent!
Checking it out now. Thanks!

:hi:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 06:30 PM
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15. Feelimg Better
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 06:31 PM by Me.
"intelligence briefings fall outside the rules of evidence and should not be allowed as evidence"

Just one thing: "If, after those hearings, government officials still believe national security would be jeopardized, they can refuse to release the classified information. That could lead to the case being dismissed before trial starts in January."

Who would that be?

*shadow government*

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:00 PM
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18. Why doesn't he just call Cheney to the stand to say how busy he kept him?*
Requiring these documents for his "defense" is a total scam.

*(--and WHAT he kept him busy with...)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:19 PM
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20. I think that
is part of the Team Libby ploy. There is a lot of pressure being put on two points in the executive branch.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:18 PM
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19. That's an executive
decision. It would really come down to the president.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:51 PM
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23. And There's The Rub
Would he dare with the way things are going?

*shadow government*
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 08:07 PM
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24. Good question.
One might consider if George is the type to make a decision that could have negative consequences for himself, or might he be more likely to make a decision that will have negative consequences for Dick Cheney? Forget what Perle andHannity tell him. He's listening to his attorneys.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 06:56 PM
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17. thanks...."the wheels of justice grind slowly but they grind exceedingly
fine."

I'm sure I screwed up that "quote" up...and didn't give a link for it...but it popped into my head as to what Fitz is about....
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:20 PM
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21. Sounds right
to me!
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 07:25 PM
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22. Thanks so much for the update!
I hadn't heard much at all lately concerning the case...
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 08:25 PM
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25. Oh Goodie! Filed papers
meants Fitz has had a good long look at his strategy and he's going forward and staying on track. He's also had time to review evidence others have put before him. The irony is in the Quest for Justice if Fitzgerald has his own October surprise. Last year Libby was indicted right before All Hallow's Eve.

Must stock up on :popcorn:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 07:12 AM
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27. It should be interesting.
Mr. Fitzgerald has convinced Judge Walton to reverse a ruling previously. I anticipate that we will see progress this week.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:37 AM
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29. What time does the pre-trial hearing begin?
Do you think there will be any information released? It's behind closed doors, so I was wondering how much information we will see.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:50 AM
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30. It's unclear .....
I assume it would start this morning, but there is some confusion. Remember that on 9-6, Joel Seidman of NBC News reported that Judge Walton had ordered two sets of "closed door" hearings. The first was to begin on 9-25, and "continue everyday thereafter until completed." It was to determine the admissibility and potential use of classified documents. The second set of hearings is scheduled for 10-10, to review Judge Walton's rulings.

I think that it might be good to have DUers call the office of Kathleen Kedian, who is Mr. Fitzgerald's Deputy Special Counsel, and request that all of the court filings be posted on their web site. There are a number that are found on other sites, which are not on Mr. Fitzgerald's web site. I think it would be beneficial to researchers and interested parties to have access to all of the documents that are public through his site.

The phone number to the Washington office that I have is 202-514-1187. If anyone has a more direct number, it would be appreciated.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 09:12 AM
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31. That is the only number I can find as well.
202-514-1187

I will call when I get a break here at work.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:22 AM
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34. Post #32 ....
has 202-353-4473 listed.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:29 AM
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35. FYI...from sabra's thread in GD.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:32 AM
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36. That is disturbing.
Perhaps I'm overly suspicious.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:34 AM
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37. I find it quite disturbing. n/t
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:38 AM
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38. No bomb found - building set to re-open
http://www.myfoxal.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=1019947&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.3.1

WASHINGTON -- A federal courthouse within sight of the Capitol was set to reopen early Wednesday afternoon after authorities determined that an abandoned suitcase at the building entrance did not contain a bomb.

The building was evacuated Wednesday morning when a police dog trained to detect explosives alerted to the softsided suitcase found near a construction trailer outside the E. Barrett Prettyman Federal Courthouse.

---

Evacuation of the courthouse occurred shortly before a hearing was to begin in the CIA leak case. The hearing was reset for 1:30 p.m.

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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:40 AM
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40. Thanks for the update.
:hi:
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:41 AM
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41. np!
Edited on Wed Sep-27-06 11:42 AM by dave29
:hi:
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:43 AM
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42. It looks like the hearing is rescheduled for 1:30pm...
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:00 PM
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45. Thanks.
:hi:
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:05 PM
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46. No problem!
:) I was really worried they'd postpone, so I had to share when I saw that!

GET HIM, FITZ!! Er, I mean, please continue with the proceedings in a law abiding manner... :evilgrin:
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:09 PM
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47. Hahaha.
:thumbsup:

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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:39 AM
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39. Whoa, I didn't go that far in my thought processes...
And, shame on me, I didn't read the full article...

I just figured it was a decoy package used to prompt a mass evac, to postpone the hearings, not a real threat. I hadn't realized they used bomb sniffing dogs! Holy crap! :(
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