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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:00 AM
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Kerry: "pretty much feeling" what you need to feel to run for President
Edited on Wed Sep-27-06 08:04 AM by sabra

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2006/09/kerry_pretty_mu.html

KERRY: "PRETTY MUCH FEELING" WHAT IT TAKES TO RUN AGAIN

ABC's Teddy Davis reports: During a learning class held at C-SPAN's studios on Tuesday, Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) said he's "pretty much feeling" what you need to feel to run for President.

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KERRY: ". . . You just gotta make the judgment. You also have to make the judgment, which I’m pretty much feeling, I'm saying that I have something to say, I have some unfinished business from the last round, I don't like what they did, I don't like how they framed it, and I don't like what they're doing for the country today, and I think we can do better. . . "


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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:04 AM
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1. Please, John...NO!
Please please please please please. Stay home. Become an "elder statesman." But you had your chance to show real leadership and you bailed on us.

Fool me once...won't get fooled again.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:04 AM
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3. Please YES!!!!
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:09 AM
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5. Agree with you
Let's rock and roll John!
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:10 AM
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8. Jeez--I guess we're kinda divided on this one.
Who woulda guessed?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:16 AM
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11. Kerry is the only one people ask not to run. This puzzles me.
That you do not want him to win is one thing, but, if he is as bad as people claim, whether he runs or not should not make any more difference than Biden or Vilsack running?

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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:19 AM
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12. Because Kerry is a real threat to the others
that is why. I say "Bring it ON!" and may the best man (or woman) win.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:53 AM
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33. I agree - he is a threat
Edited on Wed Sep-27-06 08:56 AM by karynnj
because in spite of the fact that unelected party officials (Al From et al) have tried to deny him any leadership role, he has led. After November 2004, Senator Kerry was still the last standard bearer of the Democratic party. He earned this by handily winning the primaries - in one of the easiest wins for a non VP,non president in my life time. He should, of course, not been the sole leader, but he has a clear claim to be one of the spokespeople.

Instead, starting soon after the election, there were DC gossip stories that Kerry didn't know "his place" and questioned Reid on various issues. Reid has not designated Kerry as lead on ANYTHING in 2 years. (In fact given the vote for the nomination, Kerry deserves respect and should have been designated the leader on something.)

In spite of that, look who most convincingly led on many of the key issues of the last two years.

Kerry (and Feingold) have clearly led on Iraq - there would not even have been a Levin amendment if the Kerry amendment and Feingold amendment (which were integrated to form K/F) hadn't existed.

Although they lost, time will likely show that putting Alito on the SC was a mistake because of the unitary President. Kerry led the effort with Reid and the Clinton people dragging their feet.

Kerry's Real security speech outines what the Democratic position should be. Kerry was the first (or one of the first) to argue that Bush needs to concentrate more on Afghanistan, the real central front in the overall War on Terror.

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2006_09_09.html

Hillary has the support of the party and the media - but what has she or Bill done on these or other issues. Iraq - Bill supports Bush as often as he opposes him. Hillary nothing of any substance. They fear Kerry because with little media or party support he is the one leading and people may notice this.

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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:21 AM
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13. That doesn't even matter though
If he wants to run, he will run. He has supporters, he has donors, he has the will to run. Let him do so and let the voters sort it out.

Ahm, I believe it's called democracy, we should try letting it work, try letting many voices be heard and let the voters see a range of people who want to be President. If voters don't like 'em, he won't win.

I fail to see why any candidate should be held back. If they want to run, then run.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:39 AM
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26. I say none of the above
kerry,biden.vilsack,warner,clinton... did I miss any DLCers?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:41 AM
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27. Talking about running, not winning . Or are you afraid of a little
Edited on Wed Sep-27-06 08:42 AM by Mass
bit of democracy.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:48 AM
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30. I am talking about a DEMOCRAT
as opposed to a corporatized politician like say.....a REPUBLICAN!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:52 AM
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32. It is still to the democratic voters to decide, not a few operatives in
a backroom. By the way, add Gore, Edwards, and Dean to your list and take Biden away (he is PNAC, but not listed DLC, though he may be closer from their ideas than Kerry has ever been).
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 05:42 PM
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62. Gore. n/t
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:33 AM
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46. I have never read or heard anyone ask Kerry not to run.
If that is true, it's BS. In fact, the more the merrier. And instead of just bashing candidates, one can state why they won't vote for a certain candidate, hopefully without derision, but a respectful debate of the candidate is in everyone's best interest. Rather, I prefer people to tell me why they are voting for a candidate as evaluating something from a positive POV is much more pleasant. I have always stated that slamming candidates is stupid particularly since they might end up being the Dem nominee. I can't speak for others, but I'm too old to make 180-degree turns in my rhetoric.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:37 AM
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47. Read the post I was answering to initially.\nt
Edited on Wed Sep-27-06 10:39 AM by Mass
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:43 AM
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50. had to laugh
I guess I just don't pay much attention to that kind of stuff here at DU!! Point taken.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:44 AM
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29. Let all who want to run do it! That's the only way Media gives any
airtime to Democrats. So let Biden, Kerry, Clinton and whoever else wants to run get out there and start going after Bush's lies.

It's good!
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 05:55 PM
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63. Revenge of the Jedi!
Kerry II: Donkeys Strike Back!

It is so karmic. There isn't anything that will justify these past years of misery like seeing Kerry opening a can of whoopass on the bastards who lied and cheated their way into our Congress and White House.

Nothing would do justice to the need for liberal retribution and vindication like a second run and VICTORY by John Kerry. Or Al Gore. I'd prefer Kerry because he's more liberal, but Gore would be a good choice too.



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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 09:48 AM
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37. Go Kerry!
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #37
59. And Go GORE
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #37
64. Agree! Time to see the OTHER side of Kerry.
The ass-kicking side.

I truly want him to be the nominee because nobody else is motivated quite like Kerry is to really tear into these bastards. This isn't politics with JK. It's personal. And I don't mean vindication for attacks that were made against him. He doesn't care about himself. He cares about us. He's seen the pain Americans have suffered because of the lies and the illegal activities of the corrupt Bsh Administration.

The prosecutor wants to bring the criminals to justice. And God, I want to see him do it! In my heart, I know he's the only one who can. Like an avenging angel wielding a fiery sword of truth, he can bring justice against the evildoers. Politics be damned: this is mythic! It is the only way WE can be vindicated.

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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 06:38 PM
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70. I'd vote for him, but the time to see "the other side" of Kerry was 2004.
Seriously, I'll work my tail off for whoever we nominate. But Kerry let a lot of crap sail into America's living rooms last time without an adequate response--and this was over a decade after Clinton showed us what a model war room should look like. Kerry would make an excellent president--just like I would make an excellent millionaire. The trick is in how you get there.
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 09:41 PM
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76. Huge difference in what is appropriate behavior for an ex-President
and someone asking for America's vote.

Had Kerry done what Clinton did on FAUX, the topic of discussion in all areas of the MSM would have been that Kerry was too much of a hothead to hold the most powerful position in the world. You would have seen a worse smear campaign based on something like this: "Is this the man you want to have his finger on the button?"

Kerry did just fine in 2004 as far as speaking out against the smearboaters. The problem wasn't what he said, but that it wasn't covered. When it was covered, the liars were given equal time. That is like giving equal time to a serial killer and the families of the victims! Our lovely media.

Kerry can kick ass, but he doesn't do it by making himself look like one. He does it the way a prosecutor does it: he gets the goods on the villains and brings a case against them. In 2004, Kerry had a message to get out and they were trying to get him OFF topic, get him talking about Vietnam. His primary job was to address the issues facing our country. Kerry spent about as much time talking about Vietnam as he could afford or thought was necessary. Nobody thought that they would be given as much credibility as they were.

The major question that I have about 2004 is: where were the other Democrats? Did they rush to his defense? That is what usually happens when a nominee is attacked. Too many either sat back, smirked and gave shitty interviews saying crap about him not being personable. Have you seen some of the creepy types who called Kerry dull? Good Lord, it made me feel like I'd fallen through the looking glass. Maybe ambition will do that to a person, but I'm extremely disappointed in some of our Dems in the way they carried themselves during 2004. I have to give Howard Dean a LOT of credit because he was Kerry's strongest supporter. He's a loyal Dem in my book and I respect him immensely for that.

I truly wonder who is behind the concerted effort to paint Kerry as someone who is weak or doesn't fight. I think this is swiftboating from the left brought on by pure ambition. Don't buy into it. It's exactly what the right wants: the left to tear each other apart to see who emerges as top dog. With Kerry it's NOT about ambition but about doing what's right. That's why I trust him. That and the fact that I've followed his career for years and know that he can be fooled only once. He learns and adapts. He has to with all the knives directed at him from the right and the left.

As for defending against swiftboating, who has been the strongest defender of both Murtha and Webb? Kerry has. He hasn't stopped discrediting the smearboaters. And he's put a network in place to fight them. They will be impotent come 2008 precisely because of the groundwork Kerry is laying now and because of the network of veterans he's worked to put in place. Talk about circling wagons. Very smart way to bring them down.

That is what what was missing in 2004. There was no network to defend John Kerry. He was expected to run a campaign, keep the subject on the issues, go against a wartime President who was extremely popular with his base and fight the Swifties alone (while quite a few other Dems had other priorities involving 2008). Why not add leap a tall building at a single bound and shoot lasers from his eyes?


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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:11 AM
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42. Please YES
John Kerry is the best presidential candidate we've had, in either party, for decades, and he would make an excellent president. Anyone who doesn't see this should stop rehashing stale myths about 2004 and start paying attention to Kerry's energy, focus, and commitment; to what he's been doing in the Senate (Kerry-Feingold amendment, filibuster against Alito) , to his fund-raising and support for Democratic candidates across the country, to his work for Veterans, and to what he's been saying, in interviews and speechers: read or watch any of his recent speeches (national security, energy, Iraq, health care) at Faneuil Hall. HIs thoughtfulness, substance, and grit are just what we need. He is right for the country, and right for the time. I really hope he runs; and if he runs, he will win. That is, if people stop trashing each other long enough to listen for once.
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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:52 AM
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53. The biggest let down of my life
all the way to the closing of the polls, we need somebody with balls somebody who will fight as if they have nothing to lose.
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 05:39 PM
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61. AGREED! A HUGE YES!
Edited on Wed Sep-27-06 05:40 PM by _dynamicdems
Kerry can do it. He's the only one who has a chance of defeating Hillary in the primary. And a Hillary candidacy would be tantamount to handing the Presidency to the Repugs.

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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:06 AM
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4. Agree
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:25 AM
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15. please john yes..... pleasepleaseplease
there was no foolin. would have been kick ass pres first time. will be even more kick ass pres this time
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:04 AM
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2. This should tell us all we need to know about ABC.
If, during among all the question, this is all they remember, it makes very clearly the case of how the MSM is irrelevant.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:09 AM
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6. I think we can do better too.
Starting with not re-running Kerry.

We need someone who presents a clear difference, which Kerry did not do. I love him for what he did after Vietnam, I love him for his courage in Iran-Contra, and I still hurt from what I saw the low-life opposition do to him in the last election, everything from flipflops to Swiftboating, but he was just too damn mealymouthed and centrist.

IMHO we need someone who will take a strong antiwar stand, someone who will propose a bold and workable form of national health insurance, someone who will LEAD us into a new vision on our relationship to the environment, not POLL us in order to develop half-baked plans that cater to our collective ignorance.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:21 AM
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14. Bingo. This is our shot. America wants CHANGE, not more same ol' same ol'
And that is exactly what Kerry represents. It will just be more Swiftboat crap, more Jane Fonda, more of the same ol crap that played out last time, and that will NOT win votes for us.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 09:36 AM
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35. Do you have a candidate for this position?
Gore,who is a far more centrist politician, is a possibility as anti-war, though Kerry and Feingold have the strongest plan to get out. He obviously qualifies on the environment. His 2000 healthcare proposal was good, but not bold - Kerry's 2004 one was considered more workable. In 2000, Gore was very poll driven - to the point of appearing to be different in each of the 3 debates. I assume he would not do that now. There is no reason to think that he has altered his centrist positions.

Kerry is most definately not a centrist. Virtually all the people mentioned for 2008 are too his right. Kerry is also not a poll driven politician - remember that Rove takes strengths an distorts them. He would not have done half the things he did in his career if he was poll driven. In reality, an examination of Kerry statements over a 25 year career shows a person with a pretty consistent world view where there is evolution on some issues, but no major issues where he radically shifts on issues in a short period of time. This is what you expect of someone voting his principles. If you want poll driven look no further than the Clintons.

Kerry's health insurance plan was the one preferred by health care advocates in 2004. Based on what he learned in 2004, his new plan is better. In 2004, Kerry had a very good proposal that connected investing in alternative fuel research to solve some of the energy, environment and national security. (How good it was is seen by the fact that both Bush and Bill Clinton repeat the same language now.)

On your issues:
anti-war: Kerry/Feingold
Health insurance: http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2006_07_31.html
Environment: http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2006_06_26.html

Judging from your comments, you may want to look at where Kerry is now - his positions are rooted in his 2004 positions. The Pepperdine speech had an interesting preamble:

"There will always be those bent on corrupting our political discourse, particularly where religion is involved. But I learned how important it is to make certain people have a deeper understanding of the values that shape me and the faith that sustains me. Despite this New Englanders’ past reticence of talking publicly about my faith, I learned that if I didn’t fill in the picture myself, others would draw the caricature for me. I will never let that happen again—and neither should you, because no matter your party, your ideology, or your faith, we are all done a disservice when the debate is reduced to ugly and untrue caricatures"

The point I'm making is not about religion. The point is that there are many parallel area where the RW filled in "ugly caricatures". My guess is that if Kerry is willing to speak about something as central to him as his detailed religious views, I can't help but believe that he will address other areas. Kerry has the advantage that, unlike many politicians, he can stand the scutiny and looks better close up.

(Imagine if he deals with his service, protesting and all the work and commitment to veterans issues he has done for 35 years - maybe before the Vietnam Veterans of America that he was one of the co-founders with his friend, Bobby Mueller. )
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:10 AM
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7. "I'd kinda like to be president..."
Gonna take more fire in the belly than that.

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:12 AM
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9. Reported by ABC, the channel we all know always tells the truth!!!
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #9
58. Watched the program. A real service. Show Kerry's humility that he
does these kinds of programs.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:15 AM
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10. He may be feeling it, but I'm not. n/t
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #10
39. Yeah, I'm pretty much feeling
like I'll be ill if he's the nominee again.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:26 AM
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16. Perhaps the last experience toughened Kerry up a bit....
You can't just be intelligent and statesman-like to convince the dumbed-down American public - you've got to be a little bit of a pit bull, too....
That said, Al Gore is still 'da Man.

GORE 2008 - CIVILIZATION NEEDS YOU NOW!
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:39 AM
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48. Gore/Kerry 08 is a good ticket. The "Backroom" deal should be done
and lets get on with the campaign.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:27 AM
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17. "PRETTY MUCH FEELING"? lol, same old John!
I'm pretty much feeling like I'd like to run for president again. Then again, I'm only pretty much feeling it, so that doesn't mean I'm totally feeling it. OTOH, it doesn't mean I'm NOT feeling it either, har har har....
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:30 AM
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20. jeezus, he wasn't 100% committed to it last time either. yipes
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 09:40 AM
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36. So, that was why he spend 16 hour days fighting for it?
Why in the early stages, he was out working while recovering form cancer. Why he went through being demonized and having the brilliant, caring woman he clearly adores being equally mistreated?

Have you noticed he NEVER stopped working - except for a week or so since the election?
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:29 AM
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18. Swell.
:eyes:

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:29 AM
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19. To all the Kerrybashers...go start your own thread on your candidate
Edited on Wed Sep-27-06 08:32 AM by zulchzulu
Instead of mentally masturbating in this thread, start a thread on your candidate and how he/she will win.

If Kerry runs, I will support him and I'll be glad to take it to the streets and yes, we'll see you in the primaries. You can't make John not run. Sorry.

The "We can do better" crowd can surely tell us who and why.

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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:36 AM
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22. People are responding to statement by Kerry
and, as reported, he's the one who comes off as the mental masturbator here, not those who are criticizing him.

When other would-be candidates come out about how they're pretty much feeling, there will be similar threads. Don't you worry.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:38 AM
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25. He said he was pretty much decided to run. What is the problem with
that?

Except that people cannot read and believe ABC and its titles.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 09:59 AM
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38. Other than Biden, NONE of the potential candiates
have said definitively that they are running.

- Hillary hasn't, though she's raising a huge amount of money for her Senate campaign against a auper well known Mayor, whose name I forget (and I get NYC news) of the huge city of Yonkers and is aquiring a huge staff for this incredibly difficult race. After all, as Bill' s fundraising letter said, she's the number one target of the Republicans.
- Gore has said no, but is seen to sometimes leave the door open
- Edwards hasn't
- Warner hasn't

Kerry has a huge decision to make. The primaries are more than a year away. He has been asked the same question for the last year and a half.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:37 AM
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23. !
:thumbsup: I personally want Gore to run, but I will support whomever gets the nomination and that includes John Kerry.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:38 AM
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24. And so it starts again
Time to get in line for our flame retarding suits ... and the midterms aren't even over yet.

I hope he runs. I can remember how he came back after his first loss here in Mass. He learned from that loss just as he learned from his only other loss in 2004. He will be a "formidable opponent" to any other candidate, from either side, if he runs this time. The only one that could take him, IMHO, is Gore. Now a Gore/Kerry ticket ... just imagine that!

There are several that I would support (as of now, things could change) and several that I wouldn't in the run up to the primary. Kerry would be a top choice for me for sure.

I have seen him do it before, therefore I won't count him out.

Who else has the diplomacy skills that he has? People all over the world like Kerry. We need that right now more than ever.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:42 AM
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28. Apparently, the flamewar could not wait until after November.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:57 AM
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34. Feingold eom
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:12 AM
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44. I'll post where I want, in response to the ORIGINAL post, TYVM.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:19 AM
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45. My candidate won't be taking the press on a jock strap buying trip
- won't go skiing with Arnold Swartzanazi 5 days after winning Ohio (and therefore the whole election) and conceding 8 hours later.
- won't raise $45 million to contest the election and then not use it
- won't go wind surfing to prove how isolated and aloof he can look doing so
- won't let David Shrum (0 for 9) or Mary Beth Cahill run his campaign
- won't wait way too long to respond to the Swift Boat liars


(this is just in case you don't check out my thread)
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:46 AM
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51. To bad you can't see a good candidate for all the negative spin
you have produced.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:07 AM
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56. He may be a decent guy but he is a terrible campaigner
that list isn't spin those are facts. Mary Beth Cahill admits that they respond too late to the Swift boaters.

here are some more:
- won't run away from Michael Moore when he is landing better punches on your opponent they you are
- won't run away from Dan Rather when he opens the door on B*sh's TANG AWOL
- won't refuse to join the effort to get the problems in Ohio
- won't wear a brand new hunting outfit, obviously bought just prior to the photo op to shoot a goose
- won't shoot a goose
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 06:09 PM
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66. Bravo and right on!
You have a way with words! LOL


:applause: :applause: :applause:
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 06:40 PM
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71. "Mentally masturbating"? Is that a synonym for expressing an opinion?
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:31 AM
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21. No one has a larger moral compass than John Kerry
Pretty amazing when people beg someone not to run who has a long record of fighting for the values we hold dear. So you think he may not win -- well, are you telling me that the issues he has brought up -- redeploying from Iraq, energy independence as a national security issue, universal health coverage, going back to Afghanistan to get that job done, and restoring our reputation in the world -- should not be aired in the '08 campaign? You know, John Edwards is running for prez, too. I won't be supporting him, but I am happy to hear his voice on poverty, and I think the primaries will be better with his presence. Mass is right upthread. People are singling Kerry out NOT to run, and that is just utter BS, and basically, to hell with that, he's RUNNING, so get over yourselves.

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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 05:22 PM
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60. AMEN!
Edited on Wed Sep-27-06 06:13 PM by _dynamicdems
I hope he runs!

I've noticed a lot of attacks on Kerry since the election and they always come out whenever he fights back against the administration. And the attacks are coming from both sides. Or are they?



From NH Democratic Party Newsletter 9/26/06:

BASS STAFFER USES GOVERNMENT RESOURCES TO CAMPAIGN, RESIGNS UNDER SCRUTINY

With the race between Paul Hodes and Congressman Charlie Bass tightening, Bass's congressional staff is apparently setting aside legislative work for campaign work. Progressive bloggers in New Hampshire had taken notice recently of a string of suspicious comments left by someone called "IndieNH" who claimed to be a progressive, but who seemed an awful lot like a Republican partisan. The bloggers were able to trace these comments to a U.S. House of Representatives IP address.

Today, Bass's spokesman revealed that Tad Furtado, Policy Director for Representative Bass and second ranking staffer in his office, was the mysterious blogger who had been haunting pro-Hodes blogs on taxpayer time, attempting to dissuade his supporters. The spokesman went on to say that Tad Furtado had tendered his resignation.

Blogger, "MissLaura" of www.blue-granite.blogspot.com uncovered the staffer. Click here to read the story: http://blue-granite.blogspot.com/2006/09/very-special-guest.html

Also read more about Bass's admission here:
"Key Bass Staffer Quits Over Blog Postings," (The Union Leader, 9/26/06).
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Key+Bass+staffer+quits+over+blog+postings&articleId=e39f6ba8-bc92-4bd2-ae8d-5b460a088f50

"Bass Aide Admits Deceptive Blogging, Resigns," By the AP (Concord Monitor, 9/26/06).
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060926/REPOSITORY/60926003/1030



It seems it isn't so far-fetched that there are Freepers among us after all. And they are doing it on our dime. By the way, using public resources for campaign activities is illegal. Nothing new here. These bastards are unethical and they break laws.

They have targeted Kerry because he's still a threat.






Edit: Changes: I thought I was replying to different thread (the one with the poll).

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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 06:35 PM
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69. So large it's hard to distinguish north from south.
Look, it's great he "feels" ready to address these important issues and feels he has a better answer. I don't doubt he would do a better job. A lobotomized cabbage patch doll couldn't help but do better than the chimperor in virtually any aspect of the job.

My beef? It's taken the man 2 years beyond the actual election to feel up to speed, AND he conceded when there were already questions being raised about the vote count in Cuyahoga county.

Yay, he's running! I'll try to get over myself! Maybe you can deal with his apparent inability to respond to character assassination when it actually counts?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:50 AM
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31. Good. Let them all run and let the voters sort it out.
Unless people are afraid of democracy and letting the people see these folks who want to run over the course of a long campaign.

I vote for democracy and letting everyone who has supporters, donors and the will to run to run. What in God's name is wrong with that?
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:00 AM
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40. I don't know how I feel about this.
I was devastated when he conceeded,especially b/c of the issue surrounding Diebold.It was my first time being actively engaged in a Presidential election and it was an extremely hard pill to swallow.

He did connect with half the voters -Probaly More- and he would make an Amazing President in my humble opinion.

It's the left over rage and disapointment from his first run that I will be reminded of and looks like a lot of you will be too,if he runs again.

He was JUST as wronged by the SwiftBoat campaign,if not more so,as Clinton was by 'The Path to 9/11'.He needs to correct that wrong before I will get over it.

He will have to erase that for us and come out really strong if he plans to run.This post of him saying he's "ready" doesn't do it for me.Clintons attitude on Faux Nooz w/ Wallace is what I'd like to see from Kerry.

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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:07 AM
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41. The man grew balls two years too late.
You don't say you're gonna kick some swiftboater ass in '06, when that should've been your prerogative in '04.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:49 AM
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52. Ho hum, same old bullsh*t. Press spin and repub talking points. n/t
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:09 AM
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57. How is that spin?
He said, "I’m prepared to kick their ass from one end of America to the other," ....in Sept, 2006.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Kerry_Im_prepared_to_kick_Swift_0914.html

That's two years two late in my book.
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 06:31 PM
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68. Yawn.
Don't you get tired of the same old rhetoric?

One thing about John Kerry is that he never backs down from a fight. He actually did fight back. There were dozens of occasions when he condemned their lies but the media either ignored the senator's statements or gave "equal" time to the liars.

The bullshit is as thick today. JK gave a speech in Faneuil Hall where he blasted the Administration on Bin Laden and terrorism but it didn't get any mention at all in the media. Hillary comes out with a weak statement and the press is buzzing with her "tough words" against the administration. Horse shit!

What would be different in 2008 and how could he kick their asses despite a piss poor media? First off, he has been fighting swiftboating non-stop since the election. Whenever another veteran has come under attack, Kerry has jumped to their aid; speaking out, campaigning for them and raising tons of money for them. This has already weakened the swifties cred and it has put in place a network of vets supporting vets. Kerry has already started to kick swiftboat ass. The evidence is that they are totally ineffective against Murtha, Web, et-al.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:11 AM
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43. That wishy-washy expression says it all.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:41 AM
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49. I never lost that feeling in my gut that he should run again.Kerry 2008!!
I wrote him almost immediately after the 04 election outcome and asked that he think about running again. He will be great for this country and move us forward. He has ideas, plans, intelligence and the leadership qualities necessary to be a GREAT PRESIDENT!!
He has not disappointed me since his sad loss in 04.
It will be a disaster if Clinton gets anywhere. It will be like taking three steps backwards. The Clinton's had their time. They need to move over and let less corrupt, more moral and less polarizing people lead this country. The Clinton's are all about the Clinton's only. I am tired of them being pushed on me and monopolizing the media for their own purposes.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:52 AM
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54. I could vote for him easier than I could vote for some others
If he wins the primary, I'd fall in line behind him.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:55 AM
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55. Dem's have been blessed with truly great candidates -- Gore, Kerry
In any other country it would be completely normal for the
party nominees to continue the fight into the next elections season.
It is just ridiculous that the party is looking for other candidates.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 06:08 PM
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65. Sure, why not...
There are a hell of a lot of dems that would make fine presidents. The next presidential election will be a sight to behold.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 06:13 PM
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67. He's a good Senator.
I can't handle two more years of: (basso voce) "I believe..."
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 06:42 PM
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72. I'd Campaign for Him
Give another run, John.
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 06:43 PM
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73. "I think we can do better"
ofercrisake.

:boring:

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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 06:47 PM
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74. Kerry AND Biden now
Wow, what an exciting, inspiring, unbeatable ticket. Dems will take 2008!!!! I hope Lieberman can run too.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 07:16 PM
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75. Great campaign slogan!
"Kerry: pretty much feeling like running." Jesus Christ. Can the guy muster a bit of passion?

I'll vote for Kerry over any Republican, and over most Dems, but damn it, that's not saying much these days. Oh, I know that the quote above is taken out of context, but this is not the way to give us hope.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 09:58 PM
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77. Sorry
but when a candidate puts Barry Manilow in your head I opt out.
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