C SPAN Vote coming up. Currently discussion of detainee treatment

[lonestarnot]

and Trials Bill. No agreement to consideration of dems ammendment re Habeas Corpus. Repiglicans want to adjourn w/o conducting the business they were elected to do and w/o fucking discussion. They are just disgusting!

[Greeby]

1. As Louise Slaughter has pointed out

They put up 15 amendments in the Rules Committee, and got nowhere.

[lonestarnot]

2. They are going to get nowhere today either. Just outnumbered,

but not outgunned! SCOTUS strikes as unconstitutional, then we detain people we can neither prosecute, let go or detain, so then what the fuck do we do with them?

[blm]

3. Kerry amendment dealing with habeus corpus and interrogation -

SA 5056. Mr. KERRY submitted an amendment intended to be proposed to amendment SA 5036 proposed by Mr. FRIST to the bill H.R. 6061, to establish operational control over the international land and maritime borders of the United States; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

On page 96, after line 19, add the following:

SEC. 11. EXPEDITED REVIEW.

(a) In General.--

(1) THREE-JUDGE DISTRICT COURT HEARING.--Any civil action challenging the legality of any provision of, or any amendment made by, this Act, shall be heard by a 3-judge panel in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia convened under section 2284 of title 28, United States Code. The exclusive venue for expedited review under this section shall be the United States District Court for the District of Columbia.

(2) APPELLATE REVIEW.--An interlocutory or final judgment, decree, or order of the court of 3 judges in an action under paragraph (1) shall be reviewable as a matter of right by direct appeal to the Supreme Court of the United States. Any such appeal shall be taken by a notice of appeal filed not later than 10 calendar days after such order or judgment is entered and the jurisdictional statement shall be filed not later than 30 calendar days after such order or judgment is entered.

(3) EXPEDITED CONSIDERATION.--It shall be the duty of the District Court for the District of Columbia and the Supreme Court of the United States to advance on the docket and to expedite to the greatest possible extent the disposition of any matter brought under paragraph (1).

(b) Other Provision.--Notwithstanding any other provision of this Act, section 950k(b) of title 10, United States Code, shall read as follows:

``(b) Review of Military Commission Procedures and Actions.--Except as otherwise provided in this chapter or section 11 of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, and notwithstanding any other provision of law (including section 2241 of title 28 or any other habeas corpus provision), no court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider any claim or cause of action whatsoever, including any action pending on or filed after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, relating to the prosecution, trial, or judgment of a military commission under this chapter, including challenges to the lawfulness of procedures of military commissions under this chapter.''.



SA 5057. Mr. KERRY submitted an amendment intended to be proposed to amendment SA 5036 proposed by Mr. FRIST to the bill H.R. 6061, to establish operational control over the international land and maritime borders of the United States; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

At the end, add the following:

SEC. 11. ANNUAL REPORT ON INTERROGATION OF ALIEN UNLAWFUL ENEMY COMBATANTS UNDER CUSTODY OR CONTROL OF THE UNITED STATES.

(a) Annual Report Required.--Not later than January 31 each year, the Director of National Intelligence shall submit to Congress a report on the interrogation of alien unlawful enemy combatants under the custody or control of the United States during the preceding calendar year.

(b) Elements.--Each report under subsection (a) shall set forth, for the year covered by such report, the following:

(1) The types of interrogation methods utilized.

(2) The types of information gathered as a result of the interrogations.

(c) Form of Reports.--

(1) INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES.--Each report under subsection (a) shall be provided to all members of the Select Committee on Intelligence of the Senate and the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence of the House of Representatives in the form of a written and oral classified briefing.

(2) CONGRESS GENERALLY.--Each report under subsection (a) shall be otherwise submitted to Congress in unclassified form, with a classified annex if appropriate.

(d) Unlawful Enemy Combatant Defined.--In this section, the term ``unlawful enemy combatant'' has the meaning given that term in section 948a(1) of title 10, United States Code, as amended by section 3 (as added by Senate amendment No. 5036).

[lonestarnot]

4. Another 5 minute vote! No deliberation! Fuckers!

[lonestarnot]

5. They are not interested in homeland security. That is obvious

here. Port security is something that can wait as demonstrated by their inaction. 222 to 194 now.

[blm]

8. This whole thing is a railroading.

No decent amendment is allowed a hearing. How did the system get so out of whack?

[uppityperson]

6. is this CSPAN2? thanks.

Fristy is bsing there. OMG, fighting a blind war without adequate intellegence and terrorists can't be tried without this bill!

[lonestarnot]

7. Yes 2

[BelgianMadCow]

9. It's still in comittee, right?

[blm]

10. debating on the floor -

well - not really debating. More like constant maneuvering and moving the goalposts around.

[BelgianMadCow]

11. oh okay thanks! I'm gonna tune in to Cspan 2 then

I see this as historic. It's also NOWHERE in our press :(

[BelgianMadCow]

12. Excellent argument by Jeff Binghaman (D)

If indeed as the guvmint syas, these detainees are the worst of the worst, surely putting them through a decent trial will show that to be the case!

But I think a lot of them are WRONGFULLY imprisoned...

[BelgianMadCow]

13. Binghaman reads letter by 30 diplomats he received

saying that to not stand by the most important relief avenue against wrongfull imprisonement would not be acceptable to a country promoting democracy.

[BelgianMadCow]

14. Warner : aliens do not have the rights of a US citizen, but we consider

them human" - "strike a balance"
:puke:
Soooooo there are 2 classes of people when it comes to the aplication of democracy : US citzizens, and "others".

Bleh.

followed by 9/11 an nauseam

[BelgianMadCow]

15. Levin (D) : with 56 seconds left (OMG at that)

saying the bill before them now is critically different from the bill that passed comittee.

2 examples of fundamental principles violated :
1) americans can be searched without warrant
2) cruel and degrading treatment is allowed

[LSK]

16. Levin and Warner are now having a debate over some wording

[BelgianMadCow]

17. Warner and Levin battling

Warner : torture is not allowed
Levin : but cruel and degrading is allowed

Levin also states that it's okay to admit illegally obtained evidence in court, in the case of aliens, as there the coercing may have happened outside the US, and they don't have the fourth...

sorry, but :puke: